Poll: The Rankings And You!


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How would you respond to removing all rings and scores from TSC?

I would fall to my knees weeping and kiss the ground in ecstasy.
5 (10.2%)
I would be more interested in competing.
7 (14.3%)
Whatev.
2 (4.1%)
I would be disappointed but not dissuaded.
22 (44.9%)
I would probably stop competing. :(
8 (16.3%)
I would write a long post about how I'm going to leave TSC because I'm so mad. And probably start posting times at CS too.
5 (10.2%)

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« on: September 15, 2008, 08:59:35 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2008, 09:01:26 PM »
WTF?

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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2008, 09:02:49 PM »
Is this for srs, or are you just testing us?
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2008, 09:03:17 PM »
I prefer arbitrary decisions based on the current state of that submission. I don't think removing them all is the best personally, but I'll have to see what others think heh.

Like, Heroes scores were a clear example of something that absolutely needed to be done. There are a few other isolated cases that come to mind, but those fall under arbitrary.

*Mr. Burns hands* Perhaps Rings and Scores should be a freestyle thing, with a medal system rewarding you for doing certain ones. And removing all the broken ones.

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2008, 09:15:41 PM »
wtf don't remove rings/scores

Offline Mo

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2008, 10:34:53 PM »
The only game I actually hate to score attack is Secret Rings because getting highscores on half the stages involve insane strageties that i don't know how to do,but every other games scores attack and rings are pretty good.
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2008, 10:38:01 PM »
Take Sadv2 scores out so I can get my championship back.
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Re: Poll: The Rankings And You!
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2008, 10:48:40 PM »
Bad idea. I'd rather just ban the exploit that causes the competition to be broken than take out the competition. To be honest, this approach is like killing the paitient to destroy the tumor rather than the other way around.
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2008, 11:09:46 PM »
Meh, I never liked rings and scores, and would likely compete more if they just disappeared, but at the same time, I believe there's a strong religious following for these categories amongst the ranks, and the likely rebellion from these cultist groups of followers upon the removal of their staple of life could possibly collapse the world as we know it from the inside out.

Given a large sum of the rings and scores throughout the games have a definite cap, though, and a large quantity of luck is involved in many accounts (most notably in newer additions to the franchise), I don't see the validity or purpose of rings and scores in most games after the Genesis collection. They should definitely stay for the older games, though (Sonic 1-3, S&K, etc.), to appeal to RA and SA fans, if nothing else.

My final opinion on the matter: Scores and rings for newer games should either be removed or moved to freestyle, but there's no reason to tamper with the older games.
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2008, 11:22:01 PM »
BAD IDEA

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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2008, 12:27:35 AM »
Am I the only one who would like this idea?
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2008, 12:32:06 AM »
Okay, who chose the first one? <_<
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2008, 12:35:16 AM »
RR, obviously.

My perspective is that removing rings and scores would offer a more focused competition offering, and should be the course of action. I mean when you first come here you submit your best times, right?

Also, for the unaware, we voted to remove rings in 2004 but never acted on it, so precedent exists for such action.

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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2008, 12:39:37 AM »
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Re: Poll: The Rankings And You!
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2008, 12:42:40 AM »
I guess you're the second one for Option #1.
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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2008, 12:56:56 AM »
Why not just have RA and SA have less weight in the points than TA does?

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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2008, 01:08:55 AM »
Also, for the unaware, we voted to remove rings in 2004 but never acted on it, so precedent exists for such action.

I am slowly starting to agree with this, even if precedent is moot. Rings should at the very least be weighed less.
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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2008, 01:09:50 AM »
As I was saying in chat I do not get the idea of removing stuff or not including them from the beginning for that matter (whole games in the rankings). My game.com has gathered dust ever since I noticed Rolken wasn't adding the lone Sonic game on it to the rankings (was supposed to if I actually bought it, with money). Getting rings in that was equally as fun as tricking the physics to get better and better times, but now all those stats are wasted in an useless excel file.

I've also had numerous hours of fun getting rings in SA not to mention the scores. It's not the fact that this time would have been a waste that'd bother me (it was fun!), but the fact that we couldn't do it anymore? When we used to be able to??

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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2008, 02:39:17 AM »
At this point the voting is too skewed for wiping the categories completely to be a reasonable option. As noted in chat, my favored option is to give rings/score half credit on overall rankings and leave full credit to times. Are there any substantive disagreements or alternate suggestions?
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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2008, 02:52:07 AM »
I opt for half credit with the assumption that this will help put more focus on times as well.  I'm not the only one that feels that rings/scores get too much attention, but I only play heroes lol

oddly enough, scores was the reason I even came back here >_>
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2008, 05:08:06 AM »
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I'm sorry, but there's a note of dedication for scores/rings that may be ignored in times...

Not only that, but Moral boosts abound for getting top rings in any game.  Granted, it's doable by all, without TOO much effort, but still...

All effort in the game should be rewarded equally.  If you're not willing to RA/SA the game to take a championship (Judgement, I'm looking at you) then you don't deserve said championship.  Even if it's boring and repetitive, so are a LOT of TAs.  GH1, for example, is just waiting the BILLION tries it takes to get it right... you're always just a few frames off, and doing the same thing over and over...

Rings aside, let's talk about SAing.

DISCLAIMER:  All I know of SAing the 3D games comes from conversations with other people and from watching videos.  As such, I hope I offend no one.

SAing S2K and S3K is mostly collecting all the rings, destroying all the enemies (with highest chain possible), and, where feasible, doing so quickly enough to net that extra bunch of points at the end of the level.  S1, along with the 3D games, can be said to be heavily based on speeding through a level at top speed, killing as much crap and nabbing as many rings as you can in a mad dash for the finish line.

S2K and S3K require patience and concentration to get all the rings/scores, while the others take a great deal of route planning and the like.  SAdva requires much practice at spamming, and while personally, I think it's bizarre, you'd have to look at HTK to say much about it.

Since TAing requires much more dedication, in many cases, than RA/SAing, then what's the problem with asking you time-holding superstars to complete the RA/SA goals?  (eg. after you spent 6 hours trying to net that elusive :24, what's another 30 minutes to get the 225 rings in that level?)

It's a show of dedication to all aspects of the game, and as such, should be left in as they are (or perhaps halved, because rings/scores nearly correlate, and as such, should not be worth 2/3 (theory) of the point totals, because while, to me, it's worth more than times (because times are repetitive), I know many don't feel this way, and I pride myself on my fairness to my fellow gamers)


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If you take them down, I'll stop competing all together, and while I'd prefer them to stay where they are, I think that if they are halved, while I'll drop tons and tons in the rankings, I would only drive that much harder on RA/SA to perfect any game I pick up since fewer people will be working on such things...

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Re: Poll: The Rankings And You!
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2008, 06:18:19 AM »
DO NOT WANT

By which I mean do not want them deleted, not do not want scores/rings.
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2008, 06:21:59 AM »
eg. after you spent 6 hours trying to net that elusive :24, what's another 30 minutes to get the 225 rings in that level?

Bad example is bad

What about spending 20 minutes getting sub 15 SB3 then spending days trying to get max rings?

Also Star Light zone, and thats not even mentioning some of the S3K RA's
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Re: Poll: The Rankings And You!
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2008, 06:37:50 AM »
I am strongly anti rings and scores being removed.  In a lot of cases there's as much if not more strategy and skillful gameplay involved in RA/SAing.  Sure, it can be time consuming and frustrating, but as has been said so is TAing on occasion.  Championships are a measure of who is all-around best at a game, not who is the best TAer.  That's what Time Leaderships are for.  The only change I'd be in favour of is more prominence of Time/Boss leaderships - that happens anyway, because more people TA than RA/SA.

In short, given the points system the problem is self-correcting - more people TA because it's fun, meaning good TAing is more important for championships anyway.

Also don't take my scores kplz, adv2 is mine >_>
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Re: Poll: The Rankings And You!
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2008, 07:11:42 AM »
In short, given the points system the problem is self-correcting - more people TA because it's fun, meaning good TAing is more important for championships anyway.

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Re: Poll: The Rankings And You!
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2008, 08:08:34 AM »
I can honestly say that if you remove all rings/scores, I will likely never compete here again.  I'll still stick around (you won't be getting rid of me that easily) but I won't compete.  I enjoy RAs far more than TAs, and I'm better at them.  PLEASE just remove the charts that we don't need.
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Re: Poll: The Rankings And You!
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2008, 10:19:28 AM »
Don't mind what I said before. Count them for half, because they generally require less skill in the game. Justification for what I said:
I have 40 or so score records in Rush Adventure but I struggle to acheive yellow times. Essentially, my scores aren't worth much because I SUCK.

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Re: Poll: The Rankings And You!
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2008, 10:21:34 AM »
Oh, then ignore my ':)' thing of before. :(
I'd really like there would only be times charts
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Re: Poll: The Rankings And You!
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2008, 10:25:01 AM »
Would bosses remain the same value on the charts though? I suppose it's time-attacking, but I hate them and it's my worst area in SA. What say you guys?

Re: Poll: The Rankings And You!
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2008, 10:59:49 AM »
I don't compete in any 3D games and it seems they are the primary focus of this issue, so I only feel half-qualified to give my views, but I am in favour of keeping RA/SA.

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