Here's the background: Someone on Sega's official message boards claims to know every glitch in the Adventure games, I test him by asking if he knows how to complete Cannon's Core m2 in 5 seconds. 18 minutes later...
Shh.. I do I found it out right away :)
So I test him, and ask for an explanation of how it's done. After a while longer, I hunt him down on AIM to settle the score. He spends the next 100 minutes making an ass out of himself, and now it's your turn to decide how much of an ass he makes himself into.
SadisticMystic1 (6:56:56 PM): So you really have the
solution to Cannon's Core 2 0:05, do you?
GHZteam (6:59:50 PM): yeah
SadisticMystic1 (7:00:00 PM): Name it.
GHZteam (7:00:05 PM): are you from the SEGA boards?
SadisticMystic1 (7:00:07 PM): yes
SadisticMystic1 (7:00:17 PM): not primarily
SadisticMystic1 (7:00:22 PM): but I am registered there
GHZteam (7:00:26 PM): alright let me think for a minute
GHZteam (7:00:26 PM): ok
SadisticMystic1 (7:00:34 PM): There's no thinking
SadisticMystic1 (7:00:46 PM): It's not a procedure you
can simply think up.
GHZteam (7:00:50 PM): yeah there is, I haven't played in a
SadisticMystic1 (7:01:47 PM): Also...what's your time in
mission 1 of that level?
GHZteam (7:02:07 PM): It doesn't keep track so I don't
SadisticMystic1 (7:02:12 PM): Yes, it does.
SadisticMystic1 (7:02:18 PM): Under Cannon's Core
GHZteam (7:02:22 PM): in SA2?
SadisticMystic1 (7:02:23 PM): you see a "Best Time"
SadisticMystic1 (7:02:24 PM): yes
GHZteam (7:02:34 PM): o Hi NEVER KNEW THAT
SadisticMystic1 (7:02:38 PM): WTF?
GHZteam (7:02:40 PM): I never knnew that
GHZteam (7:02:42 PM): lol
SadisticMystic1 (7:02:44 PM): you claim 5 seconds on
SadisticMystic1 (7:02:54 PM): but DON'T EXPECT THE
DAMN GAME TO TRACK YOUR TIMES?
GHZteam (7:03:19 PM): Hey, I saw it on the net, I wanted
to try it..
SadisticMystic1 (7:03:40 PM): I know there's a
walkthrough for mission 1 on the net
SadisticMystic1 (7:03:43 PM): because I wrote it
SadisticMystic1 (7:03:55 PM): but that tells you nothing
about how to make it work in mission 2.
GHZteam (7:04:27 PM): Yeah A wlkthrough, but theres a
cheat for time on mission 2.. you just can't get an A
becasure you can't get enough rings
SadisticMystic1 (7:04:37 PM): sure you can
SadisticMystic1 (7:04:58 PM): there are 424 rings on the
SadisticMystic1 (7:05:05 PM): even though it only says
there are 418
GHZteam (7:05:10 PM): Ok can you explain to me what
Cannon CXore looks like? I have to in my mind right
SadisticMystic1 (7:05:24 PM): Tails plays a section with
SadisticMystic1 (7:05:34 PM): then Eggman gets a turn
SadisticMystic1 (7:05:40 PM): the 100th ring is found
GHZteam (7:05:42 PM): Oh yeah that one!!!
SadisticMystic1 (7:05:51 PM): then Rouge, Knuckles, and
Sonic get stages
GHZteam (7:06:37 PM): ok ok .. you start off with tails,
you can't get a better time with that.... You need to use
Sonic and use the Light Shoes and Zoom through the
room at the right time
SadisticMystic1 (7:06:46 PM): WTF
SadisticMystic1 (7:07:12 PM): in order to to play as
Sonic, you must play through all four other characters
GHZteam (7:07:21 PM): I know..
SadisticMystic1 (7:07:34 PM): and my best time for
getting through to the end of Knuckles' section is 1:40
GHZteam (7:07:38 PM): Don't get the rings with them, just
go through the level
SadisticMystic1 (7:07:48 PM): okay, you've still used up
SadisticMystic1 (7:07:51 PM): you need 0:05
SadisticMystic1 (7:08:03 PM): 1:40 was without regard
for any rings
GHZteam (7:08:11 PM): when your st Sonic and Shadow,
that's your time to get rings, just zoom through with the
SadisticMystic1 (7:08:22 PM): SHADOW DOESN'T PLAY
SadisticMystic1 (7:08:33 PM): There is no place to "zoom
through" with Light Shoes
GHZteam (7:08:40 PM): On Sonic there is..
SadisticMystic1 (7:09:02 PM): there's a pit at the start
SadisticMystic1 (7:09:12 PM): then a 2x4 array of rings
SadisticMystic1 (7:09:16 PM): another 2x4
SadisticMystic1 (7:09:28 PM): 4 leading to a tunnel
SadisticMystic1 (7:09:51 PM): and then 6 sets of 12 on
the Kool-Aid slide
SadisticMystic1 (7:10:09 PM): none of those are
described by "Light-Dashing to zoom through a room"
SadisticMystic1 (7:10:19 PM): Learn the level before
making up things like 0:05.
GHZteam (7:10:27 PM): .... I did it somehow.. on accident
with the light shoes I swear!
SadisticMystic1 (7:10:31 PM): no
GHZteam (7:10:37 PM): What?
GHZteam (7:10:42 PM): you don't belive me?
SadisticMystic1 (7:10:53 PM): You cannot complete Tails,
Eggman, Rouge, and Knuckles all within 5 seconds
SadisticMystic1 (7:11:02 PM): and still have time to
finish with Sonic
GHZteam (7:11:15 PM): ..... yes you can.. I did it..
SadisticMystic1 (7:11:19 PM): no
GHZteam (7:11:25 PM): WTF?
GHZteam (7:11:37 PM): ok then..
SadisticMystic1 (7:13:10 PM): If you did, then do you
have any approximations for your intermediate times
SadisticMystic1 (7:13:18 PM): when you finished with
GHZteam (7:13:43 PM): Tails and eggman take up the
SadisticMystic1 (7:14:01 PM): you have given yourself 5
seconds to complete those stages
GHZteam (7:14:29 PM): I don't know what I did.. it was a
year ago, I just Promise I did so..
GHZteam (7:14:35 PM): I swear
SadisticMystic1 (7:14:36 PM): get out your game
SadisticMystic1 (7:14:43 PM): and read off your times
for missions 1 and 2
GHZteam (7:14:53 PM): right now!?
SadisticMystic1 (7:14:55 PM): yes
GHZteam (7:15:07 PM): ... I'm a bit busy..
SadisticMystic1 (7:15:26 PM): If you're spurting out
obvious fake times without the details
SadisticMystic1 (7:15:34 PM): and trying to talk it over
SadisticMystic1 (7:15:38 PM): then obviously you aren't.
GHZteam (7:16:10 PM): If you don't belive me that's fine
with me.. but I told you already I promise I got the time
in 5 seconds.. I was the only one that did...
SadisticMystic1 (7:16:21 PM): I have 5 seconds
SadisticMystic1 (7:16:24 PM): so you're not.
GHZteam (7:16:29 PM): Ok...
SadisticMystic1 (7:16:34 PM): And it takes a lot longer
than 5 seconds to get that time.
SadisticMystic1 (7:16:45 PM): It is not something that
you can stumble into.
GHZteam (7:17:05 PM): Well that happend for me, must
have been a glitch or somthing but I got it..
SadisticMystic1 (7:17:10 PM): You might be able to get a
freak completion at around 1:00
GHZteam (7:17:25 PM): ?? that's a bad time
SadisticMystic1 (7:17:28 PM): but anything 26 or better
REQUIRES that you do something very deliberate
SadisticMystic1 (7:17:39 PM): and know why you're
SadisticMystic1 (7:17:51 PM): Do you have your m1 and
m2 times yet?
GHZteam (7:17:57 PM): It was an accident..
SadisticMystic1 (7:18:02 PM): No, it wasn't.
GHZteam (7:18:10 PM): yes it was!
SadisticMystic1 (7:18:16 PM): The only way it MIGHT be
SadisticMystic1 (7:18:23 PM): is if your time was exactly
SadisticMystic1 (7:18:28 PM): but that's clearly not the
GHZteam (7:18:49 PM): what does that time do?
SadisticMystic1 (7:19:00 PM): That time is the result of a
SadisticMystic1 (7:19:19 PM): And it MIGHT be possible
to stumble into that trick on accident
GHZteam (7:19:19 PM): ....... That wasn't what happend
GHZteam (7:19:28 PM): I didn't do that
SadisticMystic1 (7:19:40 PM): but unless you play
competitively for time, you wouldn't accidentally perform it.
SadisticMystic1 (7:19:52 PM): Do you even know what
the 8.25 trick is?
GHZteam (7:19:59 PM): now I do..
SadisticMystic1 (7:20:47 PM): Can I get a reading on
what the two digits after the decimal in 0:05.xx are?
GHZteam (7:20:56 PM): I've beat this game a million
times.. I know every secret of it, I just happend to find a
glitch and got 5 seconds
GHZteam (7:20:59 PM): huh?
SadisticMystic1 (7:21:08 PM): No, you didn't.
GHZteam (7:21:19 PM): why are you arguing with me?
SadisticMystic1 (7:21:22 PM): For one, it's THREE
glitches, not one
GHZteam (7:21:43 PM): Ok, I call it 1, one glitch made
SadisticMystic1 (7:21:50 PM): and all of them are
GHZteam (7:22:00 PM): ......
SadisticMystic1 (7:22:13 PM): If you actually knew how
to get 0:05, you'd see that there's no way you can
SadisticMystic1 (7:22:15 PM): and call them 1
SadisticMystic1 (7:22:33 PM): You still haven't answered
what your m1 time was.
GHZteam (7:22:34 PM): One Glitch, made this happen
GHZteam (7:22:42 PM): I don't know what it is!!
SadisticMystic1 (7:22:46 PM): it takes 2 to make it
SadisticMystic1 (7:22:51 PM): and a third to get 0:05
SadisticMystic1 (7:22:58 PM): instead of something
worse like 0:51
GHZteam (7:23:03 PM): In my case it was one..
SadisticMystic1 (7:23:07 PM): No, it wasn't.
GHZteam (7:23:15 PM): YES IT WAS!
SadisticMystic1 (7:23:24 PM): You really think you have
all the glitches down?
GHZteam (7:24:08 PM): No.. but I sure do know what a
glitch is.. I find glitches in every game I played.. if you
said there was a game with out a glitch, and proove you
wrong and find one...
SadisticMystic1 (7:24:15 PM): Quiz: Which system
(Dreamcast or GameCube) can complete Eternal Engine
mission 1 faster, and why?
GHZteam (7:24:36 PM): I don't know ... Dreamcast?
SadisticMystic1 (7:24:40 PM): Why?
GHZteam (7:25:10 PM): I don't know... I only own it for
SadisticMystic1 (7:25:39 PM): Then I guess you'll never
get the chance to beat 3:00 there.
GHZteam (7:25:49 PM): Probly not....
GHZteam (7:26:14 PM): ok.. so?
GHZteam (7:26:29 PM): Its just a stupied time anyways..
SadisticMystic1 (7:26:40 PM): http://soniccenter.org
SadisticMystic1 (7:26:44 PM): Far from "stupid times"
GHZteam (7:27:12 PM): Yeah so?
SadisticMystic1 (7:27:31 PM): Several of those timed
require well-honed knowledge of "glitches"
GHZteam (7:28:17 PM): This doesn't proove anything.. for
all I know these people are lieing..
SadisticMystic1 (7:28:50 PM): At least they show enough
knowledge of the levels that they could get those times.
SadisticMystic1 (7:29:04 PM): You have made absolutely
no mention of how 0:05 is achieved.
GHZteam (7:29:31 PM): I don't remember... If your going
to keep arguing with me about this.. then I don't really
SadisticMystic1 (7:29:38 PM): Then you lose.
GHZteam (7:29:46 PM): Ok.. If you say so...
SadisticMystic1 (7:29:55 PM): All you have to do is turn
on your GC and tell me the Cannon's Core times.
GHZteam (7:30:16 PM): ... I would if my Memory card
was here.. but I can't..
SadisticMystic1 (7:30:31 PM): First you were busy
SadisticMystic1 (7:30:36 PM): now no memcard
SadisticMystic1 (7:30:38 PM): Which is it?
GHZteam (7:30:40 PM): I am freaking busy!
GHZteam (7:30:50 PM): And my Memory card is not here
SadisticMystic1 (7:30:57 PM): Why didn't you notice that
SadisticMystic1 (7:31:02 PM): when you were first
GHZteam (7:31:09 PM): notice what?>
SadisticMystic1 (7:31:18 PM): the lack of a memcard
GHZteam (7:31:34 PM): I did notice and I didn't care...
SadisticMystic1 (7:32:07 PM): And how do you know you
have 5 seconds if you can't look it up on the memory
GHZteam (7:32:29 PM): Did it take you that long to come
up with that?
GHZteam (7:32:40 PM): I remember having 5 seconds
SadisticMystic1 (7:32:47 PM): That was #3 in line of
SadisticMystic1 (7:32:56 PM): Do you remember the
digits after 5?
GHZteam (7:33:17 PM): not really.. it wasn't exactly 5
seconds i'm sure..
SadisticMystic1 (7:33:31 PM): Only remembering 3 of the
SadisticMystic1 (7:33:33 PM): ?
GHZteam (7:34:04 PM): just 5 somthing that's all I know..
My bros where right there..
GHZteam (7:34:09 PM): watching me..
SadisticMystic1 (7:34:24 PM): Ask them if they remember
SadisticMystic1 (7:34:29 PM): Obviously something
GHZteam (7:34:44 PM): Obviously somthing did happen
and I don't remember..
SadisticMystic1 (7:34:47 PM): and if you could get 0:05,
you'd definitely want to know how to replicate it
GHZteam (7:35:04 PM): Not really.. I really don't care
GHZteam (7:35:14 PM): its not a big deal to me anyways..
SadisticMystic1 (7:35:20 PM): Then you wouldn't have
taken the steps necessary to get a 5.
GHZteam (7:35:31 PM): It was a glitch..
SadisticMystic1 (7:35:40 PM): yes
GHZteam (7:35:44 PM): I didn't take any time trying to do
SadisticMystic1 (7:35:48 PM): but it's not a one-part
SadisticMystic1 (7:35:55 PM): and it takes a lot longer
than 5 seconds to do
GHZteam (7:35:56 PM): it just happend.. and I remember
SadisticMystic1 (7:36:11 PM): Then you didn't.
GHZteam (7:36:21 PM): I didn't see it?
SadisticMystic1 (7:36:25 PM): Correct.
GHZteam (7:36:33 PM): What? why did you say that?
SadisticMystic1 (7:36:52 PM): Because no one gets 5
without knowing exactly how to do so.
GHZteam (7:37:03 PM): That doesn't make sense..
SadisticMystic1 (7:37:21 PM): You have to go
COMPLETELY OUT OF YOUR WAY to get the steps of the
GHZteam (7:37:25 PM): So your asking me what the glitch
did to make me win?
SadisticMystic1 (7:37:28 PM): yes
GHZteam (7:38:18 PM): ok.. well Nothing happend new..
.I palyed through it like normal.. Didn't take much time,
but then when I looked at the clock 4 seconds passed
SadisticMystic1 (7:38:26 PM): wrong
GHZteam (7:38:35 PM): WRONG ?!!?!
SadisticMystic1 (7:38:37 PM): correct
SadisticMystic1 (7:38:55 PM): There's no way to get to
the end of Tails' section alone in 4 seconds
GHZteam (7:39:01 PM): ...... ok you know what? your
really bothering me right now..
SadisticMystic1 (7:39:04 PM): much less all the other
SadisticMystic1 (7:39:10 PM): Good.
SadisticMystic1 (7:39:27 PM): Because no one makes up
stories and gets away while I'm on watch.
GHZteam (7:39:59 PM): I'm not making up stories.. I
GHZteam (7:40:12 PM): If you listend to everything I said
it would make sense
SadisticMystic1 (7:40:19 PM): Except it doesn't.
GHZteam (7:40:24 PM): It does..
SadisticMystic1 (7:40:26 PM): There is no such glitch.
GHZteam (7:40:37 PM): Yes there is you can't just say
SadisticMystic1 (7:40:39 PM): What time did you reach
the end of Knuckles' area
SadisticMystic1 (7:40:43 PM): or even Tails'?
GHZteam (7:40:52 PM): I don't know it was a year ago I
GHZteam (7:41:03 PM): I really didn't care at the
SadisticMystic1 (7:41:41 PM): And yet, when asked if
you knew how, you said "yes" in 18 minutes.
GHZteam (7:41:51 PM): What?
GHZteam (7:42:06 PM): I never said such thing..
SadisticMystic1 (7:42:15 PM): My message was Posted:
Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:41 pm
SadisticMystic1 (7:42:22 PM): Yours was Posted: Sun
Mar 14, 2004 5:59 pm
GHZteam (7:42:41 PM): Do you have a link ?
SadisticMystic1 (7:42:45 PM): http://boards.sega.com/sega/viewtopic.php?t=3058
SadisticMystic1 (7:43:08 PM): assuming a year ago is
what you meant by "right away"
GHZteam (7:43:22 PM): Right away when I got the game..
GHZteam (7:43:39 PM): I just got the game for gamecube