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Leaderboard Disputes / Re: ATTN: Supersonic456
« Last post by Ss456 on Today at 09:10:53 PM »
Hello, I have taken everything you have said into consideration, I understand where you are coming from in this situation. This probably doesn't help in any way shape or form but, I am very sorry for the trouble this had caused. Now, I have decided that I will no longer be submitting any of stats to the sonic center as I do not want to cause trouble again. I understand this is probably not the correct way to aproch this but I honestly think it's for the best. Again I am very sorry for the trouble I have caused and, thank you for taking the time to read what I had to say - Supersonic456.
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Competition Central / Re: Sonic Forces rankings
« Last post by SpinDashMaster on Today at 08:44:01 PM »
Here's a thought:

Use divisions for the wispons, and rank all 9(?) separately.

* SpinDashMaster shot
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Competition Central / Re: Sonic Forces rankings
« Last post by Zurggriff on Today at 08:41:10 PM »
So help me god, if there’s a way for Drill to somehow be faster on Stage 29, I’m gonna flip a table, cuz I’m sick of Drill being the king of speedrunning in this game…
The Drill strat in this video appears to be 3 seconds faster than the Hover + Cube strat you used https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQpQ9Cw1S8
Please go easy on me.

Stage 27 is faster with Void + Drill. I missed that. I also missed that this combo works in Stage 19 because skipping the quick time event apparently makes it possible to take out Metal Sonic without dealing with the extra badniks. This game is generating actual discussions now which is great. I am trying to figure out exactly how the community wants the charts set up which is coming with some difficulty. Even if the other stages are all faster without the rental avatar, having a rental (requiring it to be used somewhere in the stage) does change the run. If we want separate charts for rentals and no rentals, we need a solution for chart format. The charts will not go up until this is resolved, along with any other concerns that come up as changes after the charts are up will be difficult.

And, yes, Drill dominating speedrunning is a terrible waste of wispon variety which is why I have been going through stages without Drill to start out.
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Leaderboard Disputes / Re: ATTN: Supersonic456
« Last post by Zurggriff on Today at 07:08:48 PM »
On the submissions page, there is text that reads "Guesses at, made up, or generally false times will be rewarded with bans". It is clear that the rule requiring video proof for record stats is understood given that stats just under the record were submitted to remove the record stat. You mentioned in your post that the ring stats you replaced the record stats with where put in place until video proof was available, which gives a strong impression that those stats (1 ring lower than record) were not actually obtained. If that was the case, they would be considered made up stats and were used to evade proof requirements. The correct course of action was submit the next best stat actually obtained or request an administrator to remove the stat.

Your submission behavior makes it difficult for other players to trust that your submissions are representative of actual achievements. This site had operated on the honor system for several years, but this presented the problem where stats could be made up and the ways to identify these stats as illegitimate without requiring proof in the first place was limited. To fix the issue, the requirement for video proof was added just for record stats. This could have applied to lower ranking stats but was limited just to first place to maintain easier access to submissions with the vulnerability that next best stats could be submitted without proof, regardless of their difficulty. Your times stats may not have come into question had the ring stats not given the appearance of made up stats, pushing the limits of the rules as they were written.

You have been uploading videos for several of your stats and planned to record videos for the first place stats you previously claimed. Was posting a video showing the best times and scores in the world map an unreasonable request? This surely would have cleared up most of the concerns of whether or not your stats were legitimate. It is important that players can trust that a competitors stats are valid and your actions highlight a vulnerability with the current rules. You could have resolved this problem with some cooperation but, instead, you opted out and changed all of your Sonic Unleashed 360 and DLC stats to minimal values. Additionally, you have removed the videos that previous stats had linked. Unless those stats were achieved with cheating, removing the videos, and your stats, was unnecessary. I recently addressed 17 players and their record stats that did not meet the proof requirements (you were on this list but removed the records before I took action) without issuing bans, or even a warning, received feedback from several of them, and have not had any further problems. Given that you chose to replace your stats and refused any sort of cooperation, your ability to submits stats will be removed and all of your stats will be suspended. When you decide you want to return, with a mindset that fosters healthy competition, we can discuss the terms of your return. There was no need for the site to lose a competitor like this.
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Leaderboard Disputes / Re: ATTN: Supersonic456
« Last post by Ss456 on Today at 11:55:07 AM »
I put I had the max rings available in the stage which, I did, then stats were not good enough. Now these starts are not. Maybe I was putting the rings as that for now while I try and get video proof. Ever thought of that? As for the times, my elgato is very faulty atm just fyi, and to confirm that you can ask xrrstyle and Razor X as they have been on a voice call when my elgato has decided to bug out. You need video proof for 1st place times, none of my times are first place on the leader boreds so as far as I'm concerned no video proof is required unless the rules suddenly change. But like I said if there's a way for you to get me banned, just go ahead and do so as it will turn out easier for both of us honestly. If you are reading this, thank you for taking the time to do so.
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Competition Central / Re: Sonic Forces rankings
« Last post by hfactor66 on Today at 02:33:42 AM »
Looking through the levels, I see very few opportunities for rentals to make a difference in time attack. The fastest times I could find for avatar stages did not make use of the rental in any stage.

Really? Because I can think of three stages off the top of my head from my own experience where having a Rental makes a huge impact on your time, and those are Stage 19 against Metal Sonic, Stage 27 against Infinite, and Stage 29, Final Judgement. Since Stage 19 and 27 are both “endless” runner style boss fights, having two Wispons makes a huge impact, because having certain Wispons at certain times drastically speeds up the fight. Void and Drill, as I’ve mentioned before, works wonders as a Rental combo on Stage 27, because you can speed up two of Infinite’s attacks this way. You can drill him when he charges towards you, and Void the badniks he summons immediately after that, not to mention you can use those same tactics against Metal Sonic.

Stage 29 I’ve found to have a drastic difference in time with using a Rental, and that’s because of the three tube things you have to destroy after the boring on-rails section. The best combo I’ve found to use to destroy them as quickly as possible is Hover and Cube. (The only useful application I’ve ever found for Hover, lol) Knocking at least two badniks into one of the tubes with Hover will instantly destroy it, and a row of six spawn right next to two of the three tubes immediately at the checkpoint, so that leaves you with just one left, and I’ve found that Cube dispatches that last one the fastest, because you’re able to take it out in one move with a jump attack, something I can’t say for any other Wispon, even the almighty Drill, the speedrunner’s most common choice in this game.

So help me god, if there’s a way for Drill to somehow be faster on Stage 29, I’m gonna flip a table, cuz I’m sick of Drill being the king of speedrunning in this game…
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Competition Central / Re: Sonic Forces rankings
« Last post by Zurggriff on February 15, 2019, 05:55:55 PM »
Maybe Rentals could have Freestyle category or same sort of stats like Sonic Generations "True Time Attack"

Does anyone else have an opinion on this idea? Rental avatars also change how competition works for ring and score attacks. Is there interest in competing in any of the categories separate from with rental avatars? Are they too similar to make it worth separating? One of these (Rentals or No Rentals) could be a separate category that may or may not count toward the rankings or they could be separate divisions, like different character choices for the same level.

Looking through the levels, I see very few opportunities for rentals to make a difference in time attack. The fastest times I could find for avatar stages did not make use of the rental in any stage.

Many of the stages have rings that are out of reach, depending on the wispon, and require a second wispon to collect additional rings/points. However, some stages do not really have anything extra to offer with a rental, such as Stage 17 VS. Infinite or some of the secret and extra stages.

I do not see enough reason to separate rental avatars for times stats. I see some reason to separate ring and score charts but only for some stages. For how much trouble it is to avoid separating charts that would overlap and the lack of support for this, I think leaving rentals and no rentals on the same charts is the better option.
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Competition Central / Re: Sonic Forces rankings
« Last post by SpinDashMaster on February 15, 2019, 10:14:42 AM »
Prison Hall, right?

*googles*

Oh, Arsenal Pyramid too, I guess. Prison Hall was the first thing that came to mind for me, as running around with Void makes getting 999 there trivial.
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Competition Central / Re: Sonic Forces rankings
« Last post by hfactor66 on February 15, 2019, 01:12:11 AM »
I do not mean to tease the idea of ring stats that exceed 999 but the score does go up by 100 each time a ring is collected. This could be very difficult to identify during scenes with a lot of action but the possibility is there. As it is, score attacks still benefit from collecting rings beyond the 999th ring. Too bad they did not do something like SA(DX) where the result screen shows ring totals above 999.

I wish they would have too, it would make levels that have well over 999 rings more fun to reasonably compete on. Stage 7 has so many rings that you can get 999 in less than 90 seconds. I’ve done it multiple times, lol.
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Leaderboard Disputes / ATTN: Supersonic456
« Last post by Avikaielef on February 14, 2019, 06:05:51 PM »
I'm very skeptical about some of the recent stats that this player submmited to Sonic Unleashed 360 and it's DLCs leaderboards. I will try to explain it as best as I can.
Firstly, his ring attacks's submmision. The player claims that he managed to achieve a lot of stats, whether they are in maxed or not maxed stages, and whether there is a video showing the route played already or having to create your route on own. Somehow, the player claims that he achieved in most of his stats amount of rings that is lower by just 1 ring than the current record. I can tell from my experience with this game that missing just 1 ring attack in a maxed stage in this game is not very likely, and on the non maxed stages it just might be a truly amusing coinsidence that both him and the WR holder might used a completly different routes and methods, yet he still managed to achieve just 1 ring lower than the current record. I could believe if that was the case in one or two stats, but the player claimed the same situation in literally every DLC stage ring attack (except one where he indeed proved to have max rings, and another one in RTR1-2 Day where I would assume it's just a typo lol), and in 26 out of the 32 non DLC stages. Some of those can stats are even more extremly weird. Dragoon Road 1 Night stat for example, there are 7 players holding the tied max rings, achieved by collecting an OoB 10 ring, which is extremly difficult, and another 11 players holding the 2nd (now it's 3rd) best amount of rings, which are basically the max rings without that OoB 10 ring. The player claims again the he achieved just 1 ring lower than the max. Basically claiming that he wen't through the whole stage, missed one ring and knowing that still decided to grind (from my experience, could take even 20 minutes) for the other OoB 10 ring. There are some other very hard strat or very easy strat where it's not likely to miss exectly one ring, and I will explain more if necessery, but I think you get the point.
Now after seeing all of that, I became even more skeptical about his time attack stats as well. There are some stats the are very hard to achieve the time he claims he get, some examples are AS1-2 Day, SC1-2 Day, WI2 Day, WI2-2 Day, SS1-2, and more. Knowing the player tends to upload his best works to his youtube channel, I find it really unlikely that he just decided to not upload those videos or just happend to play all of those without recording.
To sum it up, I would like Supersonic456 to post a video of him in the world map, showing all of the stages's best times and best score since those are being saved in the game in the game system (assuming at least most of the stats were played on PS3, which is his main console) or provide pictures in case some of the times/scores are missed in the hub or played on 360. Additionaly, I would like the player to provide picture proof to all the ring stats that he can provide, or, in case they're not available, at least try to explain how comes that he missed just 1 ring in like 97% of his stats.
I really hope that I will turn out wrong and we could just move on, but those stats were just way too skeptical for me to ignore.
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