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Sonic Central => Competition Central => Topic started by: finalrush7_ on October 04, 2008, 01:22:59 pm
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I really want to get the Final Rush m1 time record, but seeing as I just can't seem to do the level in one part, I always have to resort on checkpoints, well, 3 of them. Main problem is, you have to spindash after 2 of them, that's where I lose a lot of time. I'm thinking nearly half a second....
(The Sonic Adventure 2 discussion topic. Powered by Paragod, Brian and finalrush7)
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so you are the guy who wants to beat me!
Checkpoints do waste about half a second, maybe a tenth more. I got 2:15 without restarting at any of them, so if you want to beat me you will probably have to do the same. maybe you can sneak by with (one) checkpoint, but you will have to be extremely fast and I do not really recommend it because if you do beat me that way my record will still be better than yours :P
It varies though.. for example on city escape there is a boost pad right in front of the first checkpoint, you lose probably only a tenth of a second if you restart at that one cause you can quickly roll into it. I like how most levels require a checkpoint-free run though, levels like metal harbor, iron gate, prison lane, and many others are completely impossible to beat even if you restart at just one check.
You seem to run very fast and do not stop, do you really think you can challenge me for the platinum top?
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Ahh! Paragod, the expert of Final Rush!
First of all, thanks for the response.
Second, I'm improving on almost a daily basis. Just 10 mins ago I improved my time a little and am now at 2:19:24. I got this time with two small mistakes and respawning from 3 checkpoints. Each mistake cost me about 0.5 seconds. Add the 3 checkpoints and we have a loss of ~2.5 seconds. That would mean I could come to an 2:16:xx (which is your video time). That's my maximum for the near future(when I'm able to do it checkpoint-freely), I guess. Who knows, maybe in a few months I'll be able to beat you, or even discover another shortcut that leads me to the first place!
Good thing SM discovered that awesome 99 lives trick in Rouge's SH m2!!
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you have done very well for a little under a month of practice, you are now getting very close. But of course the closer you get the more precise and error-free you have to be, which takes a lot of time and effort. I like your "I WILL get the record" attitude, thinking like that usually enables you to get what you want.
I think you should cut it down to using 1 check for now. Use the mid level check, the one you should be hitting at around 1:25-1:28, that is the only one I ever used. from there you can work towards a checkless run at your own pace.
keep it up! I enjoy checking out your stat progress or progress reports you post here, maybe once you beat me one of us can try to perfect the level which I estimate is around - 2:12, but you have to pull off many daring tricks that are hard to do consistently, all in a clean flawless run. and of course, this is a huge level so who knows where there may be a shortcut hiding... maybe the level will go below 2:10 or 2:00 someday, nobody knows til the cut(s) are found, if they exist.
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Yeah, there's still thing I only get to work very rarely, jumping from the rail right before the 1:06-1:08 checkpoint. I'm starting to think it's luck-based. <_<
Well, first thing to do is to beat Zealous, which shouldn't be too difficult now, then next thing I'll do is to make a vid of my in case anyone wants proof or w/e, which will probably be pretty soon as I'm sure I can improve a quarter of a second even with all 3 checkpoints used.
THEN, I'll start to speed run it with as few checkpoints as possible.
See ya at the top, I guess! *goes watching your vid again*
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you mean jumping from rail to rail, instead of jumping from rail to platform then the rail like I did? that is kinda tricky, you need a good amount of speed. I stopped doing it because a lot of times the game would glitch and put me on the rail for a split second and fall off for no reason.. I should not have stopped because I definitely lose at least 3/4 of a second if not more.
sounds like you have a good game plan, personally I will believe you without a video even if you get something crazy like 2:13, but you should still make one at that point just cause me and others would enjoy watching such a great run.
I still await you at the top.
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No, what I meant was the rail jump you do upwards at 1:37 in your vid(vid time, not game time). I can only do that like 20% of the time. Also, the rail to rail you mentioned before I can do pretty consistently, it's just that most of the time after I land on the platform Sonic does his sommersault attack, which causes massive time loss. If I only knew what causes this, I could save some time there.
Also, I got another question; That part at 1:59 when you jump on the rail. I always just fall through the whole rail and die, how can I avoid not falling through the rail and hitting it?
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hmm, I dunno why the part at 1:37 would be hard, it is pretty much the same thing as the rail right before it (1:33) what are you doing to mess up? the only problems I ever had there was hitting the wrong spot and sliding down backwards or not having enough speed. if that is the case try using a homing attack instead of the bounce ball, it might be more consistent for you and it is not really much slower.
the somersault thing can be annoying in lots of levels, usually what causes that is hitting the B button right before doing something else.. kinda hard to explain but lets say you are about to hit a spring, and you accidently hold down the B button, but not long enough to charge a spindash, you will hit the spring without spindashing or rolling.. and when you land on something solid you will automatically do a roll. I am not sure where you may be doing this in final rush(it never happened to me) but try to be aware and careful of the B button and it should not happen.
At 1:59 this happens to me occasionally when my attention drops a little bit, you are simply using the jump/bounce ball too late, try doing it sooner and you should easily get it every time.
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this may or may not make you happy, but you have encouraged me to play final rush today...
check out my new time!
I put the handful of new touchups and slight strategy changes into play, and finally got a great time cut! those 2 hours were so tiring, I easily get sick of making stupid mistakes over and over.. I had the greated run ever(1:24 on the mid check!) and actually made a decent finish without screwing up at all(no respawns)
I am so glad I finally got an improvement, the 2:15 had so many outdated techniques which made me badly want at least 2:14, but I almost got down to my predicted max!
best of all, I got it on video so you can enhance your strategies a little bit(assuming you do not already know what I do) I will probably get it uploaded tomorrow.
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check out my new time!
Wow, you just beat your time by two seconds. Awesome!
This is a stage I really like a lot, so I'm gonna try to improve my time too, as soon as I can get a new TV. At least I want to beat Zealous because I'm starting to think my time is bad :P
Also Paragod, what do you think that can be the max time for this level?
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thanks, just wait til you see the video. its not hyper perfect but I did some tricks that look pretty cool, for example a few rails mid level I did a spindash plus jump/bounce ball instead of just jumping w/o the spindash and at one part it enables me to jump to a higher platform that saves a lot of time, but it can be hard to do.
I had thought around 2:12 would be perfect before, but with a few tiny discoveries I now say 2:10 is max, but as always that is the kind of time that will drive you crazy trying to get cause perfection on final rush is nothing but frustration and nervousness once you get a good run going til mid-check. For me anyway :P 2:11 would be a more reasonably possible target.
your time is not bad at all of course but with your on-par-with-me-or-better skill you can definitely take your time lower, as low as me if you wanted to. feel free to join in on the fun whenever you can.. SA2 sonic levels need as much competition as possible! and beating Zealous is a good accomplishment. speaking of him.., it is a shame he is not around these days, he could probably make a comback.. he held the record for 4 years prior to me taking it!
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Wow, great job in getting that time, I knew you could still improve, but by two whole seconds?!! Congrats!
Good to see competition at least.
Can't wait for the vid..!
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Improved! This time I only had to use 2 out of the 3 usual checkpoints!
New time: 2:17:97!!!
I'm finally at the top with you, Paragod, even though there's still like 4 seconds difference. I couldn't get the video done because I didn't think I'd manage to break my own record, but I've still got some small proof in form of a picture: http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg279/finalrush7/FINALRUSH.jpg
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thanks :) 2 seconds is definitely the improvement this level needed. I hated having 2:15 up there knowing that there were a good amount of time savers that I had not known about at the time, and I kept getting potential 2:13's or 2:14's where I would mess up somewhere at the end, I just wanted a completion and after 2 hours I got it!
you've made a great improvement there yourself, a good second and some to take 2nd place! Good to see the checkpoints going down.. you used the 0:46 check and 1:24 check right? any others waste (more) than half a second I am sure, never even consider them.
*Paragod hands you a silver Final Rush Trophy* Zealous Defeated! A Radical accomplishment! How does it feel to be so close to the top? Are you intimidated? Confident? I will say confident based on your old stat submissions :P
Watch out for Jawzun though, he may create some chaos for you and steal your trophy. Of course that goes for me too, nothing stops the great Jawzun from taking even my gold trophy!
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heh, thanks for the trophy!
And btw, you were right on that B-thingy that sometimes happens with Sonic.
Idk what to say, actually, I'm just happy I finally beat the great Zealous and hope to have some great competition with you and Jawzun.
I probably won't play the level anymore until I see your vid, I need a bit rest.. Any idea when you will have it uploaded? I srsly can't wait. I'll have a vid up soon, too, and I'm sure you will profit form it because there may be some segments of the stage I can do faster than you.
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yeah video swapping is usually beneficial, since everybody is different we all play it our own way.. when we watch somebody else's play they usually do something different and we realize that is actually a tenth or two better and it all adds up over the course of the stage.
video is now here! after watching it I realized at the very end I was slow on the last rail, and other spots can be faster(plus I did not manage the rail to rail jump, good time lost there) but a completely perfect record would suck anyway cause nobody could beat it and they'd give up hope.. I will stay at 2:13 until you or jawzun beat me, that's when the 3 way competition begins! Maybe we can take it to 2:11, or 2:10 or beyond with better techniques!
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AWESOME vid!!!! Any idea how I could save that? Maybe upload it to youtube or so..
Well, I'm really amazed and don't know what to say. My vid will be up there tomorrow or the day after.
btw, I don't think you were slow on the last rail, I usually have the same speed there
did I mention that the vid is AWESOME????
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you should be able to right click it and hit save as to download the original file. I will upload it elsewhere if need be, but that site makes my videos look a lot worse than they already are.
I am glad you think it is AWESOME!! :P the hard work pays off when you can make a video others enjoy. my finger is very sore(kinda stingy) from how hard I have to hit the buttons to jump,bounce,spindash and such when I am trying to be precise. (not sure why, I just cannot play as good if I do not) That is another reason why I was so glad to finally get a completion.. I am going to take a much deserved break until you two clean up your mistakes and finally battle me at the top.
I will also be awaiting your video, so I can see what cool tricks of your own you may have.
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Alrighty, I got the vid DL'd somehow.
My one will be up today, if all goes well.
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3.41!
you probably would of had 2:14 with no checkpoints, depending on which ones you used..
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3.41? <_<
I used the 0:45-0:46, the 1:06-1:08 and 1:25-1:27 one.
Btw, VIDEO IS UP!! Not here though, because I see no reason to put in on here when your vid is not only faster, but also of a much higher quality.
And yeah, fingers are damaged <_<
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaIZt7pxx6s
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pretty good run, as expected you do a lot of things different. and, you did that last rail a lot faster than me! actually, wow, your ending was way better than any of mine. you did a perfect bounce and landed right on the platform by that last rail without having to homing attack like I did! that is probably a second there, plus the rail to rail jump.. yeah, 2:10 can definitely happen.
From now on though, I forbid you to use the 1:07 checkpoint, you probably lost a second and a half right there alone compared to how I did it! that is just a complete waste of time that I cannot allow. just use the 0:46 check, it is not that far back.
I have questions.. at 0:36(game time) you did not do a trick off the rail, do you think it is faster that way? I tried it before but I was not sure either way.
and I have one time saver to tell you about that I did not use in my run cause it is very inconsistent and I badly wanted a completion. you know the the rail that you have to slow down on mid-way so you can hop left to the next rail?(The one you hit at 1:55 video time on your video) you can keep max speed the whole way on that rail, and instead of hopping to the rail on the left you can jump+bounce ball to it. Turns out this saves a good amount of time(possibly up to a second? I am not sure) because not only do you keep max speed on the first rail you also get a faster-than-otherwise-possible speed on the second rail.
but for me, the consistency was maybe 15% cause almost every time I would jump too high and not catch the rail in time for max speed, which of course ruins your run.
you may already know of this but if not try it out if you feel daring, maybe you will be able to do it easier. Actually I just realized you are using checkpoints at the moment so you should definitely do it, since you do not lose a whole lot til you start going for checkpoint-free runs.
your video gets a B+ (just like your ranking ;)) both me and the game will give you an A+++ when you do it without checkpoints plus I will be handing over the magical golden trophy, cause... it is obvious you will beat me big time when you pull everything off in a straight shot run.
and it sounds like you need a break too huh? :P
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pretty good run, as expected you do a lot of things different. and, you did that last rail a lot faster than me! actually, wow, your ending was way better than any of mine. you did a perfect bounce and landed right on the platform by that last rail without having to homing attack like I did! that is probably a second there, plus the rail to rail jump.. yeah, 2:10 can definitely happen.
Thanks! I'm not sure about the last rail, but the ending with that double bounce, when you have double bounced and have the max height above the platform you want to land on, do a bounce-homing attack. It's very difficult to pull of, but saves you around half 0.3-0.6 seoncds. I'm sure you can do it.
From now on though, I forbid you to use the 1:07 checkpoint, you probably lost a second and a half right there alone compared to how I did it! that is just a complete waste of time that I cannot allow. just use the 0:46 check, it is not that far back.
Yeah, but I am VERY inconsistent at the vertical rail right after the checkpoint. Didn't think it would take away 1.5 seconds though!
I have questions.. at 0:36(game time) you did not do a trick off the rail, do you think it is faster that way? I tried it before but I was not sure either way.
I'm not sure tbh. Sometimes, when you fly off that rail without trick jumping, you fly very far(to the vertical rail) but not high at all. It didn't happen in the video, it happends like every fifth time, but when it happens, it surely is at least a bit faster than your method.
and I have one time saver to tell you about that I did not use in my run cause it is very inconsistent and I badly wanted a completion. you know the the rail that you have to slow down on mid-way so you can hop left to the next rail?(The one you hit at 1:55 video time on your video) you can keep max speed the whole way on that rail, and instead of hopping to the rail on the left you can jump+bounce ball to it. Turns out this saves a good amount of time(possibly up to a second? I am not sure) because not only do you keep max speed on the first rail you also get a faster-than-otherwise-possible speed on the second rail.
I actually know about this but I never use it. I wonder why? Thanks for telling though<_<
your video gets a B+ (just like your ranking ;)) both me and the game will give you an A+++ when you do it without checkpoints plus I will be handing over the magical golden trophy, cause... it is obvious you will beat me big time when you pull everything off in a straight shot run.
Well, thank you. I've been trying really hard, and it's the only time that matters to me.
Btw, one small tip. Just before the first checkpoint (0:46), when you a near the one enmy and want to spindash-jump-bounce on then rail, jumping is not necessary because the rail is going slightly downwards. Just spindash into it. You will have a bit higher speed and won't lose time jumping. And you should definitely try (to practice) the rail-2-rail thingy..!
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when i was a young n00b in final rush getting times of 2:25 or so I could do the rail-rail every time, nowadays it almost never works for some reason.
check out my new time!
you know how sometimes you time attack a level for fun w/o really trying to beat your record, just for fun and practice? well, screwing around got me a great improvement! I took your advice on spindashing the rail, and I actually managed to pull off the rail to rail! I did the ending just as good as you did, cause it turns out you can do a jump and you will land flat right on the next platform, no bouncing required. The last checkpoint was actually slower than my 2:13 (1:24.9) which proves how flawed my ending was.
I am happy with this time cause I like how it is an even .35 decimal instead of a stupid .44, and I pulled off everything except the tough jump+bounce on that rail near the end I had mentioned. This is the Gold time you must beat!
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STOP GETTING SO GOOD TIMES!! =D
Good job!
I've been playing FR now for almost 3 hours, still searching things that might help me save even a tenth or two, and I think I found something that might save some tenths, but I still gotta test that. I definitely need a break now, I've wasted over 300 lives alone today on Final Rush. <_<
Maybe try a little Metal Harbor. I like the stage and I can get a 1:27 constantly without practicing much... Who knows..
btw I like how the WR of FR got down by over 3 seconds in such a short amount of time. Competition ftw!
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sorry, I will stop playing the level but that run just kind of walked right up to me you know, it was so cool that I did not have to hurt myself to acquire it like usual.
I guarantee there is much more to be found.. 1 second.. 5? 10? 20? 50? I have been playing around seeing if you can skip the springs before the 1:24 check so you do not have to go backwards slowly down the rail, that saves many seconds if I can work something out, I have not tried every possibility yet.
competition rules huh? if you had not thrown been playing 2:15 would still be standing today and probably forever, whether it was still a record or not. Heck even if you did not make this topic it would probably still be standing. I was just watching you saying well lets see if he can do it, if he does I am done for cause I am out of practice and I can barely get under 2:20 now.
Then you posted and we got to talk a little bit so we do not appear as just a random name to each other anymore, which encouraged me to put some extra effort in to refine my ability again to what it was before, and then take the time lower with the new strategies I had found after I stopped playing.. and with some strategies from you it is now at 2:12! support from each other definitely helps out a lot as well, twice as fast to finding the perfectly straight line to beat the level as fast as possible.
Metal harbor.. yeah that level is fun, much shorter and easier than final rush. it is pretty much possible to get a flawless time there(unlike FR that had 5+ seconds of error before I lowered it) so you should be able to do well there easily given time, if you feel like it.
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No, don't stop playing. I'm sure you could still improve a bit.
And about these spring before the middle CP. I was once able to..well, I'm not too sure what happened, but I didn't hit the last spring like I was supposed to do, so I got sent to the rail, not backwards and with speed. that would definitely save over one second, but I have no idea how that happened.
Maybe is it faster to follow the route of the 3 ring boxes and then spindash onto the rail? (I really think that would be faster)
Now if you would excuse me, I've got exactly 4.5 seconds to save! ^_^
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excellent improvement! the little break you took may have helped out. you would have beaten me had I not played again..and you are very close to my 2:12 only 2.00 to go!!! :)
were you able to spindash-jump-bounce-jump the rail at the 1:06 checkpoint and land at the higher platform(instead of the spring?) that is one of the cooler tricks to do :P
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yep, I was able to, but here's an even cooler trick (which doesn't always work...): instead of normally jumping off that vertical rail (right after the 1:06 CP), hold forward before and while jumping. with this, sonic won't get in jumping animation (with the blue aura around him, meaning he won't be able to homing attack or bounce), but he will fly a bit faster and further. Note that you need maximum speed for this, meaning fast spindash plus bounce on the rail. It saves some time, maybe even 0.5 seconds.
I also did that bounce-rail trick on the last rail transition since I was already abusing the CP.
I more and more get the feeling that you lose around 0.7-0.8 seconds after being restored at a checkpoint and having to charge the spindash...
Did you find anything that might help cut some time?
I'm still searching, but nothing so far..
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i think you're right, you may lose upwards near a second for using a checkpoint, so now that you got 2:14 you should only be using the 1:24 check. I understand your new method of doing my 1:07 rail trick, and I can tell it would definitely be inonsistent for me, but I will try it out and see how it goes.
as for new shortcuts, well I have had no luck in skipping the springs. I doubt homing attacking the boxes you were talking about would be faster either :( something big or kinda big will be discovered some day.
goodluck on the gold, I am sure you can do it :) then I will try to take it from you! hahaha! ;)
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Thanks, I'll give it my best
I hope you still play the stage for fun, because you could get a new record like this too! *looks at the 2:12 record*
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hehe yeah. playing for fun definitely works better for me, without all that strain, pressure and frustration I can just be calm&concentrated and set a great time. Problem is most "fun" play quickly turn into "trying hard" play and therefore the benefits are gone.. that is why it was cool that I got the 2:12 so fast before "switching over"
I tried your 1:07 rail variation, and I bet it saves a second if not a little more! that is a definite noticeable time saver you have over me, I hope you can pull it off in a good run. I was shocked at how well it worked, instead of wasting so much air time it shoots you straight up pretty much perfectly on the platform right next to the rail, with mine sometimes you do not even make it up there.
just great, one step closer to maxing the level.. I think you are the real final rush expert.
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hehe yeah, my switch over is even faster, like after 3 lives or so..!
Really? I didn't know it the rail variation saves so much time. You could definitely go for a 2:11 with that on a rainy day!
I think you are the real final rush expert. Wow, hearing this form my idol really feels good. Thank you, but I still think you're a step above me.. ^_^
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Nah I could get 2:10, and the run would not even have to be perfect. If I added in the tricky rail switch at the end(which is getting easier, thankfully) and had a beautiful run I could get sub 2:10, that should be our final target, who would of guessed a new sub was possible?
a step above you? well the only way I can think that I am above you is in practice, since I have gotten my time lower than yours and I have played enough to be able to do it without checkpoints. we seem to be equal in pretty much every other area, I find a cool trick, but you are able to optimize it by a whole second :P
and am I really one of your idols?? that is cool..! I will do my best to live up to your expectations. :)
as for me playing, I will try for 2:10 when you take that fabulous gold that you so desperately want :P competition is usually about trading back and forth, so far we have done none of that. :(
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Yeah, I wasted over 2000 lives on FR, but I still can't seem to get everything in one run :(
And don't worry, you're already living up to my expectations. For me, the hunting and shooting stages don't matter that much. Shadow and Sonic is what it's at, and you're definitely the best there. You have like over 50% of all these record!
..And it's time I take one away from you! *runs off to play*
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well, one problem I can think of there is you are reliant on checkpoints. But that is okay, I was the same way until I told myself they suck and stopped using them. I started getting used to doing every level I played in 1 run, I think doing so made me a much more consistent, skillful player.. I would probably only be half as good as I am now had I kept on using checkpoints. Since it takes more skill do do a level in 1 run compared to splitting it into 3 parts, even more so if you use many lives(I used to never use more than the default 4) you will kind of automatically be better than someone who uses checkpoints, cause you're trained at a higher skill level, you know?
hmm, for me I think the some of the shooting stages are fun, and take a whole lot of effort to get the record.I recently played hidden base as you can see and I am 4 seconds from the record.. and my run felt nearly flawless! But for sure most of the hunting stages suck(especially mission 1.. its just luck and a few fast button presses) Sonic and shadow are by far my favorite though of course. I actually have 21 records last time I counted. It would be really cool to have every single record though.. maybe someday, I have been slowly playing and working at it. I am sure it is within my ability assuming some really crazy(and/or determined) newcomer does not come along.
..And it's time I take one away from you! *runs off to play*
by the way you say that.. could it possibly mean you are going to nail that record today!?
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Yeah, the checkpoints are killing me. I'm super inconsistent on the first and third level part. I play them like 50 times a day, but there's still no improvement compared to a month ago.
Yep, just counted it, you have 21/41 records! Hehe, more than 50%! I'm sure you could get every record, but that would require a lot of effort. At least you have the needed skill to do it.
Yes, yes I really tried it today, but I had to realize that after nearly 150 wasted lives, I couldn't get it much lower today. As you probably noticed, I improved my time by 0:28 seconds. I guess it just wasn't my day...took me nearly 30 lives to get to the first checkpoint!
I am sure it is within my ability assuming some really crazy(and/or determined) newcomer does not come along.
*is that determined newcomer* =D
Good thing I still have 1 week of holidays..!
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odd.. I'd think by now most every part of the level is pretty consistent, it just takes a while(sometimes) to do everything without screwing up. I guess that is just me.. I told you it is amazing what happens when you lose the checkpoints!
50% huh? seems kind of high but I guess I did manage quite a few when I played every day. I recently lost 3 records in white jungle, 2 in green forest and 2 in skyrail so I must have had about 65% then! woah!
It is disappointing that you could not pull it off today, but hey a life span is extremely long, you have tons of time to do it. I was kinda wondering how you were able to play so much, vacation paradise huh? most people this time of year have a lot to do and I am probably one of the few who always has a 7 day "weekend" all year :P
as for you being a newcomer.. you are finalrush7 right? I remember seeing some videos of yours over a year ago.. but I guess you are just new to this site? and if you are FR7, did you really get 1:45 on city escape? I remember you claiming you had that time a long time ago back when I had 1:39.
I hope this is your golden week ;) before you get trapped in whatever you have to do when you are not enjoying a holiday party :(
by the way speaking of %'s... 18 of your 22 posts are in this topic :P that is roughly 80%!
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Very true, I hope I'll soon be able to do it with only one CP. That's my next aim as of now.
I have enough time, yes . Thing is, as soon as school starts again, I'll gotta prepare for the final finals, as well as starting to search for a job. That's too much at once :'( !!
And not playing for weeks will not help me in any way <_<
Yep, I'm finalrush7. Could have guessed from my YT account name. 1:45? Nah, I have something around 1:55 on my save file now. I don't know what I had on my old file, but I highly doubt that is was that fast..
Thank you, I hope so as well.
18/22? Yeah, I didn't come here to talk, I came to compete! I actually only lurk here, reading some interesting topics and stuff about SA2:B.
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AWWW my last run!! It was soo close :(
Only 0:97 away!
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0.97..awesome man! when you are that close you should definitely have some extra motivation knowing a TINY bit of improvement and it is yours! 2:13 with 2 checks is also pretty crazy cause I do not think I can do that.. without checks that is definitely 2:11. did you pull off your new 1:07 rail trick? I will assume you did.
I now forbid you to use more than 1 check, so you must pick between 1:24(1:23?) and 0:45. I recommend the 1:24 check because you lose less time, and it splits the level exactly in half so once you have a good run you have many attempts to get the ending just right.
tests and jobs huh..thats gotta suck, they suck away your free time. :( I am glad to be retired so young, it gives me lots of time to play sonic or whatever else there is to do :P study hard, do something good with your talents and be wise with your earnings, maybe you can retire early too..then you're free!
oh yeah, I saw this on another site
I think you are the real final rush expert -Paragod, SA2(B)'s best speedrunner worldwide
wow..! thanks :) that definitely makes me feel special, all of the hard work I did is appreciated by a few people at least. that definitely gives me some extra encouragement to set 41/41 100% as my new goal... maybe it will be completely by 2010? :P
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Thanks! I've been trying for two hours today, and that's the result. I could of gotten the WR(maybe), but I(or the game?) messed up at the end where I had to light dash the ring chain, Sonic missed it and summersaulted >_<
I'm pretty sure you can do 2:13 with 2 CP, especially if you didn't use the 1:07 rail trick and the last rail bounce transition on your 2:12 run. (is not too sure..)
And yes, I used the 1:07 rail trick, it shot me to the end of the platform this time(!!)
It gets much harder with one CP, seeing as I'm still pretty inconsistent on the 1:07 rail trick, and the last part of the stage is still not very consistent. With the current tricks we have, plus the 2 CPs I'm using, I think I'm only half a second away from the max.
How did you get retired so early, if I might ask? I just checked your age, and it says you're 19. Yes, I'm studying hard, but we'll see what the future brings!
Yes, that qoute's is my new sig on GameFAQs.com.
A lot of my friends play this game, and I'm by far the best of them, so they keep telling me that as well. Of course, it doesn't mean as much considering they find a FR sub 3:00 time amazing <_<
As I said, it was very good to hear that. Motivation level up!
Your hard work is definitely appreciated by me! I hope and am positive that you will reach your goal of 41/41.
Well, at least 40/41 =D
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oh you light dash the rings at the end? I wonder if that is faster.. I always use two spindashes. The rail trick could beat me so so very easily..I wish it worked for me, the very first two times I tried it worked perfectly, but it has not worked since :( I will have to figure it out if I ever want to permanently take the record from you. addition: played some this morning, still no luck. I never quite make it even to the spring platform for some reason.. it always shoots me to the left and I get stuck in the wall.
about the quote, it just made me feel great that you think I am the best SA2B sonic player. saying that definitely shot my motivation way up too! just like I shot yours up :) and you're funny with the 40/41 thing, you must think you are something! hahahe, well, we will see how it plays out. I know I can get 2:10(.5?) if I could get the trick to work, so.. if you can get an almost-perfect 2:09.9 then maybe you will have me stuck at 40/41 :P But that would still be fine.. heck I am happy with 50%, but it is fun to set a tough goal of 100.
my retirement...heh(calling it that sounds funny) well, lets just say I was fortunate enough to have smart and very caring parents that were able to set enough aside for my needs. So really..my job at the moment is to get 41/41 sonic records.. I am sure that will be more challenging and rewarding than a real job anyway, so if time attacking/trialing is the job I will have for my whole life so be it :P I have been playing all kinds of games for fast times and competition in the last 3 years, and it is usually fun. I am sure a few people in my position are just lazy their whole lives.. but not me...... I push myself to the limit everyday!
as for you, yes, you can do it! A great job, just like you will soon have the FR record! you are a determined being! Plus I am glad you do not live in the stupid usa like me.. things are pretty bad here apparently and it could get even worse, perhaps a doomsday even, I dunno.. I am not sure how things are where you live but I am hoping much better than the usa..we need help.. maybe a whole new set of "leaders" would be a good start. oh well.. life is supposed to be treacherous anyway, nothing can ever be guaranteed, not even your life!
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I just tried to spindash twice, and I think it is a little bit faster after all.
The rail trick works for around 10% of the time for me now, and it's not getting easier ... After having spindash-bounced on the rail, you have to hold A and jump as soon as the rail goes from vertical to horizontal. This is really difficult because of the high speed you have, you will reach that point in like 0.1 seconds!
Btw, does the last rail bounce transition work for you now? I can get it now pretty consistent..!
2:09 you say? Well, that sure is a tough one, but I think that this level is not maxed yet, even with a 2:09. The past record was 2:15 (2:18), and it was held for years! Many thought this level was maxed, until we found a way to save quite some seconds in just a month's time.
Unfortunately, I don't save such smart parents, so I'll have to look for myself in a few years..
But I'm in a very good school, so if I don't screw up there, I'll be alright ^_^
Yeah, I'm only 0:00:55 away (check my new time). On this run, I screw up pretty bad actually, but seeing as I didn't use the 0:46 CP, I could still get to the last CP at 1:24:27.
I had around 30 lives left, so I could keep trying and trying until I nailed it under my personal best. I also spindashed twice instead of light dashing.
As for my country, Switzerland, well, they're not at a very good state, either. The two biggest banks UBS and CS have a high chance of crashing... >_<
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so you have to jump at the very last second. sounds like it is one of the toughest tricks in the game.. funny how it worked twice in a row, I was like WOAH this is fast, and extremely easy. then it decides to never work again :( I may get at least a decent consistency(50%) eventually though, I know a lot of tough tricks work easy at first for me(beginners luck?) then they never work, then eventually I figure them out and pull it off most of the time. Hope that is the case here, or I will never have a shot at 2:10.
The gold trophy you are so close to finally obtaining.. I locked it away at the moment! you have to beat final rush in 2:12.34 or faster, when you do, sonic will say "FINALLY #1 AT LAST" and you will receive an S-Rank then a screen will pop up saying "YOU GOT THE BIG GOLD KEY" which you can use to obtain the magical golden trophy! then you will make a big excited post, I will excitedly congratulate you for just simply being the best and hopefully other people around here will do so as well. 0.55 is..... SO CLOSE!
2:09.. yeah.. it would be a beautiful run. of course even something that crazy is not maxed.. nobody will max a level like this to the second. If one of us gets 2:09, we will see little micro-flaws and we'd then say 2:08 is possible if you are perfect. then if we somehow got 2:08(unlikely at the moment, strat-wise) we'd see 2:07, and so on. I put roughly 1000-2000 hours into city escape to get it down to 1:36, and I know 1:35 is possible.. but its not within my ability because I always make at least one tiny mistake.
point is.. you're right, 2:09 is not maxed :P and yeah, we are good at finding new stuff working together. I would have never found the rail variation, and you probably would have never risked spindashing that rail at all if I had not done it, teamwork rules!
And yes, the rail switch at the end is much easier now, I can do it about 75% of the time! I definitely will never leave it out in the future, even if it costs me the whole run.
checkpoints..they must really cost a second or even more like we suspected, I got to the last check at 1:24.9 to get 2:12.35 so I got the check (about) 0.6 slower than you, and I finished 0.55 faster.. so we're looking at probably 1.2 seconds lost, maybe even more cause I was too nervous to do the fast rail switch at the end...jeez... and we were both thinking 0.5s. heh. I think the average is only 0.5-0.8 on most levels though where you pass the check with an average speed, and maybe 0.1-0.2 on levels like city escape where check #1 has a boost pad you can roll right into fast. I just realized you pass the 1:24 check with tons of momentum compared to most checks so you lose a lot more.
I am glad to see you only using one check though, of course :) Now you need to take the last step and go for zero, but of course as before I will let you do that on your own pace, I only forced you to use less before when I felt it was just too big of a waste which is unnecessary.
sucks to hear that where you live is probably no better than here.. :( hopefully, things will be brighter in everyone's future someday..
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Yes, it definitely is. Well, I found an even more difficult one. It's explained below.
YES! I! GOLD TROPHY! NOW!! MUST HAVE!!
I will never forget that day I get the WR (if I get it at all. inb4 you sub2:11 >_<) of Final Rush. It will be just a epic as when I first got my 180th Emblem way back.
Although I must say that my time(1:24:27) at the last CP wasn't perfect. I know a made a little mistake which cost me around half a sec, but I still got my personal best at that CP. Before that, it was 1:25:05. CPs do cost a lot of time..!
Very true. No one will ever max this level, it's just too long. Only levels that can be maxed time-wise are something like Green Hill Zone in S1, or other very short stages. It's impossible to not make a mistake, because we're all human after all, no machines or stuff..<_<
Teamwork rules! I think we will at least bring this down to 2:10. And maybe some other guy will appear and and show us stuff we didn't think about. No one knows..
Rail switch is getting easier and easier, while the 1:07 rail trick isn't. I've been trying to master it for about an hour today. Nothing, can still only get it in maybe 1/10 times.
Yeah, the direct spindash after the rail at 1:24 CP makes you lose even more time if you get restored. I didn't think of that either.
I was very lucky seeing as I got that one CP run at my first try. I don't think I can do that again so fast.
What I meant to ask you: What was the fastest time you got to the 0:45-0:46 CP? I know I once got it down to 0:45:32, but I just can't go lower than 0:46:04 now. That's already more than half a second, and if I want to master the level, I should start from the first part, right? ^_^
I believe I can break your record even with one CP, but that would be only for a few milliseconds and then it will be broken again by you...
hopefully, things will be brighter in everyone's future someday..
Yes, I hope so as well.
Now about the even more difficult trick. You know the last rail you go upwards with the spring at the end that makes you land on the rail afterwards, right after the 1:07 check?
Now, I have been trying to reach the platform with the Chao Box and the two regular boxes from that rail, and with absolute max speed and the right momentum, I was able to do it. But seeing as I would have to spindash-jump-bounce on the rail that leads me to the 1:24 checkpoint, it would need more time for me to do this than to just let myself fly with the springs. Now, what I think might be a little faster is, that instead of landing on the platform itself, I would land on the yellow edge of it (VERY DIFFICULT). From there on, I could just spindash on the rail.
It should be faster in theory, but it still needs testing,as I haven't managed to do it even once, and I tried over 30 times.
It probably won't save much time, but I still thought I'd let you know :D
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Has anyone bothered to TAS this?
I mean, I know not very many people have AR, but I figure that if they do, learning a perfect strat might be beneficial to both of you getting far better times (perfection can yield discoveries, i.e. SL1-R).
Just a thought...
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How can you TAS with AR anyway?
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What's TAS? >_<
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TAS-Short for "tool assisted run", where a player completes a game using any means or methods necessary.
Got this from the TSC Glossary for you.
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Hmm, thank you.
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I personally don't know, and I apologize for this ignorance, but I know that it was done with SSBM, TP(GC), and Mystic Heroes (just a couple levels in a topic that I don't remember where it was, but the SSBM one can be google'd/Youtube'd)
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I know that I'm not a Final Rush expert(my time sucks), but I think this can help you two. PoT said that he sometimes somersault when he reachs the ground after the rail in about 1:50(game time), this happens to me sometimes too, but I've discovered something that can help you to save some time, when this happens, if you hold down the B or X button sonic will imediatly charge a spindash when he reaches the ground instead of do a somersault. I discovered this a lot of time ago, I call this technique "instant spindash", if one of you two can see my Green Forest videos, notice how some of my spindashes charge really fast. Hope I have helped :). see ya o/
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Oh THAT! Lol, I've known this for a looooong time, but I thought everyone knew about it. <_<
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Two days of practicing the 1:07 rail paid off. I got much more consistent on it now!
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I guess I can now go without the 0:45 checkpoint. Been try 4 hours now to perfect my way from the first to the third CP. We'll see...
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been a few days.. I think your week is almost up :( you gotta get #1!
a better way to explain what a tas is.. basically you can save at any point in a level, and redo each part until it is perfect. screw the checkpoints, you can save at 8000 different points if you had to, and you'd never lose any time at all compared to restarting at checkpoints. you can use slow motion as well if you need to. In other words.. sub 2:05 would probably be possible with a TAS on FR :P
I messed with your new trick where you said you land by the chao box or something.. but I got nowhere with that. I have also made no progress with the 1:07 rail trick or FR in general..been waiting for you! on a brighter side though, thanks to brian explaining the instant spindash trick above I easily took my green forest mission 3 record back, bringing me up to 22/41 or about 52%! Still a long ways to go
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been a while, yeah. I was like WTF is he? :D
This TAS run could be helpful, but I don't have the AR for that, nor do I know anyone that has it...
I improved a lot on the 1:07 rail trick, I can do it every second time now! That's the only thing though..
Then again, without the 0:45 checkpoint, I was able to improve my time at the last checkpoint to 1:23:94! Too bad I missed the rail at the end again! <_<
With a perfect run, I think I could get a 1:23:00 at the last checkpoint...Only 2 days left, but I'm giving it my best.
And congrats for taking one of your records back!
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...on a brighter side though, thanks to brian explaining the instant spindash trick above I easily took my green forest mission 3 record back, bringing me up to 22/41 or about 52%! Still a long ways to go
Ha! Finally, I knew you could do this, the same goes to my mission 1 time, if you let me do this, after you finish your competition with PoT, I want you to beat 1:22 on Green Forest mission 1. I'm sure you can do this, and I don't want to see you with 1:29 and Jawzun with 1:26 when I have 1:24 ok?
About the TAS question: I really think that a TAS would be useful if not used to find new strategies, only to see what is the max with the current one, I like to see how we find new shortcuts by our own, please think about that, if one of you want to do this. see yall ^_^ o/
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I guess that's what you call tough luck <_<
Check out my new time..
Used 2 checkpoints (!)
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50% consistency sounds crazy to me at the moment.. I hope when I have to beat you I can start pulling it off that often, or I will probably give up ever taking the record back if you get 2:11.5 or lower, that is definitely my max using my n00b rail strat at 1:07 :P
good job being the first to get a 1:23 mid-check! I could do it without the rail strat if I was completely perfect, but I never quite managed it with my best being 1:24.4 or so. I am sure 1:22 is doable as well, that would potentially be a high 2:09 with a perfect ending.
the way I see it is:
2:12.35- Had a 1:24.8 or 1:24.9 mid-check w/o the fast rail switch at the end. Soo..
1:23.9 check + fast rail switch w/ flawless ending = 2:10.9
1:22.9 check +fast rail switch w/ flawless ending = 2:09.9!
use this as a reference for your target time, keeping in mind you cannot restart there for it to work. I guess you can add a second for restarting..which means 1:23.9 could of beat me even with a restart if you do very well, and it shows how 2:09 really is ultra hard.
Brian, heh, well I can try to beat your mission 1 time tonight or tomorrow but I really do not see myself getting 1:22. 1:24 is a very clean run, to beat it will be hard enough for me. Of course I can do better than 1:29, I just wanted a completion there. I should probably do Mission 5 as well since jawzun only tried once for that time and 1:30 is probably possible. Mission 2 could probably improved to low 34 as well now that I know your trick, maybe even 33?
do you plan to take green forest 3 back? a solid run and a good ending can do it. I would like to think 50 is possible but I really cannot see that without tas.
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2 checkpoints? I thought I had forbid you to use that many! you do not want the record with two checks anyway right? the time is fast for two... but when you beat me you better use only one!
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Yeah, 2. I'm sowwy! :(
Hit the first at 0:45:59 and the second at 1:23:83.
I guess your calcs are right, but that would really require perfection..!
Then again, what's your personal best at the first checkpoint? Maybe things can be improved there already? I would love to the the level being sub2:10'd, but just thinking of it makes me shudder.
To be honest, I don't care that much about how I break it, as long as I do. But of course, it's not like I'm just gonna sit there are watch it being broken again, I'll still be trying to improve my time, just with a lot less effort of course. And the pressure will be gone, I guess.
Well, good luck on getting the 1:07 rail trick to work!I'm sure that after a few hours you'll have the hang of it.
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how many lives to you use? if you use a checkpoint(maaaaybe two) and only use the default 4 lives plus maybe a few you find during the stage I will consider myself beaten. but if you do something ridiculous like using 99 lives through out 2 checkpoints and say, restart 42 times at the first and 33 times at the second that is just a ridiculously terrible way to take the record considering I practiced to do it in 1 life. I would not consider myself beaten nor would I congratulate you :P
I have at best gotten to the first check at about 45.8, but I almost always get 46.5, you must be better than me at the beginning.. so it is odd that you've not managed to be more consistent at the rest.
Thanks.. I..I hope I get the hang of it. If I do, I will definitely get at least 2:10, and maybe consider the sub.. depends on if I feel I can do it without killing my controller and my hand, and how you react. I am sure you would be unhappy if I got 2:09 before you even had a chance to touch first place.
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Nah, I start with the default 4. Then, if needed when abusing a checkpoint, I get the 6-7 extra lives in the level.
If I would have used 99, I'd probably have the record by now. I used to practice with 99 lives, because it was just a faster way to ..well...practice. <_< (Thanks for the glitch SM!)
Thing is, I can get sub 0:46 on the first checkpoint only 20% of the time, it's not that easy, seeing as it is actually luck how you're being shot by the big, long, super-shortcut rail. And when I do everything right(about every 3rd or 4th try) it's still only a half-half chance at the 1:07 rail trick.
Oh, don't you care about me. My goal is to bring the FR m1 time down as much as possible, getting the WR is only of priority 2! Go for it, as soon as you get the hang out of it, you will have the 2:10.
I will do everything possible to at least have the record before you can improve your time again!
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oh okay, good. I was not sure if you were using 99 lives to set a record or not. I know jawzun used to do that to get records, (even using ar) thankfully he has stopped. using 99 or 9838923 lives is fine for practicing, but that many restarts to beat a record would be pathetic.
the big rail being luck.. I am not sure but it seems like you gotta hold the stick the right way, seems like when I hold up and a little bit right it does it quite often, but really I dunno.. maybe we will eventually figure that out.
well, I have been playing a little bit tonight so I will try some more on the 1:07 rail..(we need a name for that damn thing) if I get it down.. you know you can expect a 2:10 soon!
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lol @ 9823948 lives. A lot of players use it, and I don't really mind it. I may use it, too, when I go for a time like CE that has this one CP near before the booster, so I don't really have to do the snowboarding every time <_<
Yeah, I actually noticed that just after I posted my message. w00t, further consistency!
You're right, we need a name for this. How about Superrail? Railshot?
And do you really think you can get a 2:10 easily with the 1:07 rail trick nailed? I mean, it doesn't save you 1.4 seconds. Then again, you still have the last rail transition (need a name for this, too!), but I'm not sure how much time this saves..
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I like those.. how about Super Railshot? Or maybe FR7 Super Shot.. Or FR7pwnparagodssuckyn00brailstrat nah that is long lets just go with Super Railshot! if you like it.
I think I can get 2:10 without having to be outrageously perfect(as in playing 12 hours a day for a week straight to get it, something I am un-capable of anymore) assuming it saves at least a second, which I think it does. The rail transition at the end actually seems to save an unnoticeable amount of time, I had a run with a similar 1:24.8 check and it did not seem to save any time.. I know it has to save at least some tenths though if I notice them or not.
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been playing FR for about an hour.. my consistency is actually at about 25 to 40% thanks to you telling me where to jump! :)
heres what has been going on.
I had a run with a 1:23.57 last check, but I screwed up and used the 1:23 check, got 2:12.09. Would of had 2:11 :(
I did the Super Railshot very well, but then I missed the next rail, probably lost half a second.
I had a run with a 1:23.4 check, I did very well with the Super Railshot (SR) but I only landed by the spring, meaning like the other run this could have gotten me a 1:22.5 check. I missed the rail switch at the end and died w/ no lives left on this run.
And I had a 1:23.6 check where I completely screwed up the rail before the spring(didn't get close enough to bounceball) and definitely lost another 1:22 check and shot at 2:10.
I screwed up somewhere with no lives and could not retry on this one.
so in other words.. I think the SR saves at least 1.5 seconds, if not 2 when you get it with very minimal air-time! I wish it'd stop being stupid at the end and let me have a completion
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Finally.. sub 2:12! I had a good run with a pretty good SR(not a perfect shot) and ended up with maybe 1:23.30 check? I think I lost a lot of time after wards though.. maybe half a second cause I was nervous :P Of course, I did not restart at any checks.
I think I will stop for tonight.. but I still know 2:10 is reasonably possible, I could maybe do it tonight but my spindash finger is in pain again and my eyes are kind of wearing out and the game is becoming blurry..
2:11 looks cool!
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Congrats, very well done! You widened the gap by 0:69!
This absolutely forces to me use one checkpoint, so I can thank you there as well.
Judging from a few calcs, as perfect last part run without restarting is around 48 seconds.
A perfect first part run is 45.6, but I'm not too sure about the middle part.
Damn, this means I'll have to play again. I can get that 0.7 difference down, but only when I use one or no checkpoint. My consistency is being challenged again, but I'm not giving up yet! At least I know how to let myself flying from the big rail...this will help me a bit. I guess I'll start with only using the 1:24 (1:23 from now on!) checkpoint.
*runs off to play..!*
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2:11:64
YES!
YES!
YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I BROKE IT!!!! I DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Started with the default 4, first run was:
Got the the first checkpoint at around 0:46.7, didn't have to restart, near flawless run, the superrailshot shot me perfectly near to the end of the platform, hit the last checkpoint at 1:22.99 (1:22 !!!!), then I died <_<
Had 3 lives left, made a mistake on that run, went to collect the 6 lives, then I had 8.
Got it when I had 3 left! A few micro-mistakes there, and a checkpoint abuse, but who cares?
I FINALLY HAVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YESYESYES!!!
God.....no idea what else to say.....
Rest easy, heroes!
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the determined 'newcomer' did it!! I am shocked, I am amazed! most people around here just regard my good times as impossible and do not even try cause they are afraid to work for something. but you are like me, you have that magical determination to go again and again til you get it, no matter how much work it takes! how does it feel with paragod on the second spot.. looks and feels crazy huh? it sure does to me! what kinds of things did you shout in real life? :P did anybody hear you?
and you got it with just one day left to spare! perfect timing huh? go and celebrate! tell everybody! throw a huge party! then study hard, get that awesome job you want and impress them with your performance! you can do it! you are smart, skillful, masterful.. you can have anything you want just like me cause you can keep on trying til you succeed!!! YEAH!!!!!!
CONGRATS FinalRush7!!!!! YOU ARE GREAT!
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Oh god!
YOU DID IT! By a few centiseconds, but you did it! You are amazing, you didn't give up at any moment unlike me!! (I give up constantly and then come back) I am very amazed cause of the fact that you kept trying until the end.
When I got my 2:19 I was like: "Oh, yeah, this time is good!" because I thought 2:11 would be perfect, and now you both have just made my time look stupid XD
You guys are making me want to play more and still more each time, but I can't, and that hurts :(
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The determined newcomer, yeah, he did it!
When I got it, I just..don't know, I was laying there....and was like OMFG I DID IT I DID IT!!!!! I repeated that around 20 times, until my mother told me to STFU <_<
Until two months ago, I couldn't even get sub 2:45. All these 4 years it was my goal to just get this one record! I've always tried hard, and even though I watched your vid and read Zealous' guide, I still couldn't get my time lower. Then, around 50 days ago, I decided to play again a bit for fun. After a while, I just noticed how I generally improved on the game, not just this one stage. After 1 try at FR, I got a 2:31 time.
I went to this site again to notice that the record still hasn't changed, and I watched Paaragod's vid again and noticed that there are a few parts I can do faster. I decided to copy the vid and include my own little trick to be able to beat him. It also helped me that my old friend DsS had a 2:29 here. Rivalry is always good!
Slowly, day by day, I seemed to get faster times on a daily basis. The holidays I have (only 1 day left!) really helped me, I had enough time to play the stage for 3-4 hours a day, something I could never do on an average school day or the weekend.
I was also really lucky that you, Paragod, responded quickly to this topic, which then became another rivalry, if only for this level. I still remember how bad I felt when I still had a 2:16 and Paragod just jumped to a 2:12. It really seemed impossible, and it didn't help that my holidays were coming to an end. Good thing I didn't give up. I probably would have given up if the holidays were just one week shorter.
I still can't describe that feeling, it was just soooo amazing! I instantly told all my friends about it, and they all congratulated me of course. It feels so good reaching an aim after more than 4 years.
It's time for school again, only one more day to really rest. I will still concentrate on FR, trying to bring it's time lower and lower..
How about you? I'm sure you're not gonna give up, especially not after it's that close. I guess you could take the record back even today!
Oh, and guess what? *Grabs gold trophy, even if just for now* HAHA!!!
CONGRATS FinalRush7!!!!! YOU ARE GREAT!
Thanks a lot, Paragod!!! And of course Jawzun (I hope you can play soon again) as well. I had the best support/competition possible.
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ha.. I was going to put something about the gold trophy in my other post but I forgot. you made a nice summary of your progress, I enjoyed reading it.
I really am excited and happy for you! I know exactly how a hard-work payoff feels. It can be amazing sometimes. I felt really great when I beat F-Man on city escape, because that is my favorite level and I had to play for quite a while to beat the best. tho I had an easier time than you did beating me cause the record there was very unoptimized.
I am glad you decided to post this topic.. if you had not the record would not be what it is, and when you finally beat me I would of been thinking oh great.. now I gotta get that record back from this new guy, and your victory would not have been as rewarding or exciting for us all. but instead I got to know you much better personally so I can be happy for you getting the record, I would of never felt that way towards a random person. Plus it showed me that you have worked VERY hard for this, probably as much as me or maybe more, so you totally deserved it.
one day to rest..or party!! I guess doing either of which is fine.. it definitely calls for a party but if you need rest you should do that.
me.. well I probably could get something better if I tried, but I think I should leave the level alone for a while.. a few weeks maybe instead of being mean and taking it hours later. Since you beat me, both of our targets should definitely be 2:10, and you have no reason to use checkpoints now :P from now on we can all play with no pressure. well unless jawzun goes crazy on this level. 46.7 check is pretty slow, you lost 1.2 sec there.. plus a second or so from the checkpoint.. proof of 2:09 as a realistic possibility! but 2:10 comes first, unless we get really lucky.
by the way jawzun.. stopping for a little while is not giving up, saying "I can't do it" or "Paragod used cheats" and never playing again is giving up.
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Thank you, it's good to hear people care about and understand what I write.
Same goes here, Final Rush is my absolute favorite level, and you didn't make it easy, so it's quite an achievement for me.
Yeah, I'm glad, too. It's funny how I would never have expected you, from all the people to post in here. I have worked hard, but it's doesn't even come close to these 400 hours of City Escape! But it paid off, didn't it? No one's gonna even come close to that time! The second best is 8 seconds away! Who knows if it will ever be broken..
hehe, I won't force you to go and break the record again, actually =D
2:10 definitely seems doable, but a perfect run is required. The one of us to get it will probably just be playing the level for fun, and then BAM.
Oh and I noticed I made a mistake: it's not 46.7, it's 45.7 at the first checkpoint. Sorry!
I'll still be playing the level for fun, and might even find some other timesavers as well. If I do, I'll be sure to let you know!
Oh, and just in case ;)
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why is my reply the last you would expect? did you just think I was not around the site anymore?
yeah, I have put at least 10 times more effort into city escape than any other level. I think my 2000 hour estimate is totally messed up come to think of it, cause for one.. I just noticed my play file has 893 hours total.. so.. probably 500 of them were on city escape :P thats almost 75% for one single mission. In comparison Final rush has maybe 25 total? imagine 500.. I could do 2:09 then! ;)
On CE 1:35.8 has to be the absolute flawless limit(assuming no robots play), so you only get about 1 second of mistakes total and a shot at #1 is gone. I have a feeling it will remain a record for some years, but if somebody like you comes along they may be able to take it, but it will probably take less time since they will not be constantly finding new tricks and re-doing the level like I did.
Ha, it'd be funny if this site stays in existence forever, and when I turn 100 years old someone finally beats my CE record.. I'd be sitting in my chair saying oh man.. I wish I could play as good as I could when I was 18.. I can barely press the buttons now and I finished in 10:32..I will never get my record back..damn kids!! why did you take so long to beat me :(
45.7 check huh? well, that changes things quite a bit, 2:09 would probably require a 1:22.2 check with NO restarts at all. Sounds fun! that is definitely maxed for a person though.. less we find those new tricks, which we probably will. I will let you know of any I find as well! One day, we may be racing for the crazy sub 2 barrier. I did play some final rush tonight for fun, I got a 2:12.00 and 2:12.04, heh. Nothing special, but the 2:12.00 did have a 1:24.2 check due to a terrible SRS and 46.6 or so first check, I'd love to get 1:22!
cool picture, if you ever do a checkpoint-less 2:10 I want to see a video.
by the way, check out my new avatar picture.. it is my new final rush trophy thanks to you!
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It's not like I didn't expect you, it's just that there are around 200 SA2 players, so the odds of you posting here are actually slim. I'm really glad you posted in here and we got to know each other. This one-stage rivalry is just so awesome, it's actually much better when I had a Sonic2006 one with DsD!
I think I've put around 100 hours into Final Rush, which is..well, at lot. Nothing compared to your 500 hours of course, but yeah.
And don't worry, I don't think that anyone will beat your time soon. Half the people already give up when they see such a time because it seems so impossible.
Same was with FR. When I came to this site, I had a 2:45 as my best time. I saw your record, and it was 30 seconds faster! I thought that it would be impossible for me to do it, but luckily you made that 2:16.99 vid, which helped me a lot.
Forever, yeah. I just finished reading a manga (Suzuka), in which the main characters grow up during it and marry at the end and stuff, and along with your post now, it really made me think about the future.....
I HATE thinking about the future of such stuff, it always makes me remember that nothing lasts forever... :(
and when I turn 100 years old someone finally beats my CE record.. I'd be sitting in my chair saying oh man.. I wish I could play as good as I could when I was 18.. I can barely press the buttons now and I finished in 10:32..I will never get my record back..damn kids!! why did you take so long to beat me :(
That was really funny, actually XD.
I sincerely hope that at least this one record shall remain yours for all eternity! Because you deserved it more than anyone else.
You're right about the 2:09 part, but a 1:22.2 checkpoint? It really seems impossible. I know my run was near-perfect, and I was never shot this far by the SRS except for that one run, but I can't see where I lost 0.7-0.8 seconds.
Two very good times there, I really admire your consistency.
Racing for the sub2 barrier would definitely be one of the best things ever! But to accomplish that, new shortcuts need to be found. But who is gonna find them?
You, me, maybe jawzun, or another newcomer. That's it. So there's still work left!
As for the trophy, it looks awesome! But.. was it intended to be silver?
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I am glad to know you too :) you have plenty to say, some people here are very boring with little to say and it kind of sucks, I guess it is just generally quiet here because the site needs more players. SA2 just like many others games has very little active competition, which sucks!
Are you going to target another level and go for the record? or maybe just go for a halfway decent time in lots of them? I know you have more times than final rush, you should definitely submit them regardless of how good they are.
I suppose one stage competitions are cool, cause you get to focus on one thing and push it to the limit instead of jumping all over the place setting just "okay" records. Thing is..most of the "perfected" levels like CE and metal harbor and green hill I did by myself, I wonder if they'd be any lower with competition like we had on FR, since FR dropped 4 seconds with potential for more by us both going at it instead of just me. I left it at 2:15 thinking 2:13 or 2:14 was perfect, now we know 2:10/2:09 is perfect
If I see someone trying for one of my records I like to try to help out as much as I can. I really am not that great at finding crazy shortcuts and tricks(unlike SM and his thousands of crazy wall glitches and that cool 99 lives trick) but I do my very best to help out by giving out every trick I know.
it is cool how good you actually get when you go for fast times huh? you probably look back at 2:45 and even 2:31 and wonder how it is possible that you were so "bad", considering you could beat that every single time now, but before it was your very best after many tries. I look back at a lot of levels that way myself.
The future.. can sometimes be a little scary, because nothing in life is guaranteed and you could lose everything that makes you happy, or even your life at any time. You can only hope for the best. Thankfully things usually work out though, if you are a good person to deserve it. For example..for my whole life I have never been able to talk. Biologically I am not sure why...I..just have never been able to produce any sounds like everyone else can. That would normally make it very hard for me to take care of myself, as every job I have seen requires communication, making it impossible for me. But of course as I said things sometimes work out, to make up for such a disability I have parents that care very much and do not mind taking care of me even though I am 19. That is why online competition is so cool, I can actually have discussions whilst I play, that is impossible in a real life tournament.
Thanks for all the positive comments you have made about me.. there are tons of them! I don't think I have ever had anyone else think so highly of me before, it is definitely a cool feeling knowing someone respects and looks up to all of the effort I have put in, plus it is very encouraging to help me go for even more records!
Yeah, I just know we will find more big cuts someday! As for the trophy, well yeah it was intended to be silver since I am second place now, you took my precious gold! Just wait til I set a time that requires a checkpoint free run, you will have to adapt and changes your habits just like I did a year and a half back :P
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The reason I have plenty to say in here is because you're such a fun person to talk with. You're open-minded and encourage the others players. Just as you said, the new competition just looks as your amazing times and says "crap, I can't possibly beat this", then they jump to other games. Can't blame them, there's a lot of records that just can't be broken without hours and hours of practice.
Target other level, huh? I might do that, I've been thinking of CE (2nd place <_<), and Crazy Gadget (the vid's not available anymore :'( ), but I guess I'll submit my times as of now. I haven't really tried at any other stage, but from checking now, I see that I'm always under the top 20 at least. Well, with me 2:45 FR time I was like 17th or so as well <_<
I doubt those smaller levels with ever go down by like 4-5 seconds. They don't have all these alternate paths Final Rush has to offer..
Yeah, the 2:45 time if the only one I can actually look back to, but it amazes me every time I think about it!
I appreciate all the help you gave me, I wouldn't be able to come even near the record without it. Supporting people is definitely one of your strengths!
I am very sorry to hear about such a biological disability. That's really...shocking. It really shows how hard and unfair life can be. Thank God you have such nice parents to take care of you. ...I really hope that you will be able to talk one day!
heh, I think you've complimented me more than I did you. There aren't many people that understand how hard it was to do stuff like this, but you are one of them. As I said, you're one of my idols and definitely SA2's best speedrunner! (just too bad I had to remove tha from my sig on GFAQs <_<)
..A checkpoint free run? My worst nightmare :D
I was always scared that I couldn't rely on checkpoints anymore, but I got better and better at the stage, at the end beating the record with the use of one checkpoint. Though I must say, this is (-0.2 seconds or so) the absolute max I can get out of the stage with one checkpoint. So yes, it will definitely force me to do it CP-free!
I already have a few small shortcuts in mind, they just need to be tested...
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wow.. I am not so sure what to say! er..thanks for the compliments :) I guess crazy records do scare competitors off.. if I had 2:09 on FR you'd of probably given up at 2:20. that sucks.. you are supposed to make the records as crazy as possible so people see the challenge and try to take them down, instead mine scare some away :(
Second place on CE? I would enjoy watching you make that climb! I am absolutely sure you could do it, tho it may be a little harder than 2nd (was) on FR. Plus Jawzun will most likely go after you if you beat him,(when he gets that dang TV so he can play) so you could have some good competition with him while you work your way up towards me! If you ever start trying for 1:36 though.. be warned you will have to put up with a lot of annoyances. Whether its the fact you have less than a second of error for the whole stage, or sonic flying off a hill when he's supposed to spindash it..or maybe..1:36 will have you playing forever or so it will feel like!
oh yeah, I still have the crazy gadget video, I can upload it. I have been needing to anyway cause I know dead videos upset people, but I never got around to it.
yeah, it does seem unfair to me sometimes. like most things in life my situation does have its advantages, like unlimited free time and such. But..I would still choose being like everyone else over unlimited free time, since I cannot seem to make any friends because of it, the best I can do is stare at someone at someone or answer a yes or no question.. quite boring for them, but hey I can not blame them, speaking is a very important vital part for someone to tell if they want to start a friendship or not.
It is easy for me to feel lonely and unwanted, but I just have to tell myself it is not really my fault, most would like me if I could speak to them... Thinking that usually makes me feel better. Plus our little conversation and competition here has been very helpful! I hope I can talk someday too, but I do not know if that is possible. I can always wish, you just never know.
Support is one of my abilities huh? no one has told me that before, I will keep that in mind.
Of course I understand how hard it is, I have put a lot more hours into this game than you(I assume?) as well as many other games. Competition really does test your fingers and mind to the limit, so it can be quite a tough strain on you when you want to chop off that last second to be virtually perfect. /me is proud to be one of your idols!
check out my new time ;) I like it, I think we should both not submit any 2:11's, only 2:10's and below. Pretty good SRS, I got to the checkpoint at about 1:23.5, no restarts. I had a good ending, but I was still nervous(wish that would stop!) so I know could do a super optimized slightly faster ending if I would just calm down, it is only a game! I guess we have to share the trophy now.. or cut it in half..or something. up to you!
your holiday is now over :( I hope you manage to do very good with school, and still manage to find a little time to play! Gotta get CE #2!!.....or 1?!
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WTF? So you didn't break my record....you...you TIED WITH IT!!!
This is just so epic. We're the only ones tied out of all the times on SA2!
I don't know how to feel, it's strange being tied in a time record, especially on such a long level... I'm definitely out of words now, and that never happens to me <___<
We'll see how CE turns out. I have a 1:58 now, and an 1:44 seems doable. I'm good at copying such stuff off, but as always, the problem is consistency. I guess I'll go with my old 99 lives practice method to see how well I do. One thing that definitely will screw me over are the hills during the truck chasing!
Support, yeah. How come you didn't notice it yourself? :D
More hours than me? On speedruns and stuff, sure, but I have over 1000 of gameplay just thanks for 2P!! For 5 years, my friend comes over every weekend and we play 2P random battles. It's always so much fun!
* Paragod is proud to be one of your idols!
That better be so, because I don't have many idols! =D
2:10's....Alright, I won't submit anything above that! I guess 2:10.8 is around the max for now. Imagine I had not had to restart my run from the one checkpoint I hit at 1:22.99! It would have been a 2:10!!
Thank you, I will try to find the time to play. If not, there's still the weekend. And if even that doesn't work, I'll just have to wait until the next holidays! ..2 months... <_<
if they want to start a friendship or not.
Heh, remember, you will always have a friend in Switzerland!
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^_^ Enjoy!
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XD.. I laughed a whole lot when I realize what you did to my new trophy, the split you made is awesome!
I got a brand-new, never before acquired record just tonight! Final Rush Mission 2, so I now own every FR time record! It was extremely easy(but annoying,cause it was soo easy and boring and so many things go wrong cause of stupid randomness) once you find the right ring route. The time I got can go way lower, but I will do that some other time. 23/41! roughly 55%...!
On CE, you will need tons of practice, but hopefully you will find the level very fun, cause it is extremely fast paced the whole way through when you start doing the hard stuff right, which in the end feels cool to play and makes a great video if you record. You are probably ready to go w/o any help cause you have a video, and a ultra mega sucky guide I wrote that you can read if you want to from when I had 1:45 as my best :P
yes, 2:10.8 would be an excellent target. I thought 2:09 was semi-realistic before, but after getting 2:11 I definitely say it would be absolutely crazy for a person. you'd pretty much need a 45.4 first check every single run to even have a chance, then you'd need a perfect SRS meaning you have zero air time and it shoots you hyper fast right on the to the next rail, and you need no restarts and a flawless ending. Very unlikely, but 2:10 is a great goal. you had a fair chance at 2:10 on your run of course, but nooo.. you had to go and die!
Heh, remember, you will always have a friend in Switzerland!
really? :)
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Thanks..
Hmm, I see you took some records again. Good job! I really don't know any fast route for the mission 2 on FR. I can't actually get it lower than 1:00 <_<
I already like CE, so it's definitely gonna be fun. Target now is FR sub2:11 and CE 2nd place.
Then again, I won't have the time to even play a minute until Friday, so yeah >_<
2:09 is almost impossible. I had a perfect run to the checkpoint (1:22.99), and since I abuse the checkpoint there, I had a perfect ending as well. Even a 45.4 won't be enough for a 2:09. I know I my max is 45.59 at the first CP, I got this time a few times already. With 0.2 seconds saved there, and around 0.8 from the checkpoint restart I'd be at around 2:10.6, which still needs over half a second of improving. 45.4 may seem possible, but getting that time consistently doesn't <_<
Well, it's too bad, I always die -__- I'm just getting too nervous at the end, just like you.
really? :)
Of course!
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not even 1 minute of play during the weekdays? that is pretty harsh. but hey that must mean you are preparing very well for the future, which is more important.
there is not much to say to what you wrote..hmm..well do not forget to post your CE(and FR) progress here! and you're right..2:09 is starting to look close to impossible. No big deal, we will get 2:10 and find a few little techniques to improve for the great 2:09!
of course!
yessss! well it sucks I cannot do a 2 player with you, your 2P experience and my speed-running experience would probably make us evenly matched. I would like to 2P jawzun as well, but of course he lives far away. everyone I have ever talked to online is far away. not once have they been 2 houses next to me, or anywhere near my area at all!
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I would like to 2P jawzun as well, but of course he lives far away. everyone I have ever talked to online is far away. not once have they been 2 houses next to me, or anywhere near my area at all!
No matter how far from each other we are. Airplanes do exist, and someday I might try to go to USA for a few days to visit you.
There would be still a problem though, and it's that I'm not very good at speaking English :P But it wouldn't be any problem to have long hours of SA2B fun with you :)
Funny, because I was thinking of this thing a few days ago. I don't know when but I really got to visit you sometime in the future ;)
There is no people here on Spain who really like SA2B that much and have godly skills at it :(
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Brian, heh, well I can try to beat your mission 1 time tonight or tomorrow but I really do not see myself getting 1:22. 1:24 is a very clean run, to beat it will be hard enough for me. Of course I can do better than 1:29, I just wanted a completion there. I should probably do Mission 5 as well since jawzun only tried once for that time and 1:30 is probably possible. Mission 2 could probably improved to low 34 as well now that I know your trick, maybe even 33?
do you plan to take green forest 3 back? a solid run and a good ending can do it. I would like to think 50 is possible but I really cannot see that without tas.
About mission 2 and 5 I can't say so much 'cause my time(m2) was done with that old strategy, and I usually don't play mission 5. Be sure I'll try to get my mission 3 back, as PoT I'm a determined newcomer(and a little crazy too xD). I'll go for it right when I get my SA2B.
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I saw your new topic! Very nice, and it actually sounds possible because you gave yourself 9 months time.
The only negative thing about 2P is that Sonic doesn't have his bounce attack, but that's absolutely fair because it would give him quite an advantage.. and maybe the special attacks there, imagine how far a SRS would shoot you when you have the speed boost :D
Also, like Jawzun too, my English isn't that good. <_< I've had it in school for a few years, but yeah...I'm only 16 as well. But we'd have fun nonetheless!
Oh and Jawzun, I know how it is to absolutely have no competition in gaming, likes ANYONE in Switzerland even tries <_<
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I would like to visit you too Paragod, but my english is poor(My english lvl is what I write here, but to talk, it takes a little time to know what words go first the others xD), and my conditions(A.K.A "money") don't give me that possibility, but I always wanted to visit USA, expecially LA, but make sure, I'll do everything that is possible to go visit you, I'm not good at 2P, I won't be able to beat you but if someone laughs when I tell them that I lost in 2P, I'll say to them: "Yeah, I lost, but I lost to the best one" (y). Maybe I can go with jawzun, both with t-shirts saying: "WANNA PLAY 2P?"
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I have only ever been to play multiplayer with myself(heh) but it did really suck without the bounce ball, but it still may be fun with another player. But full levels plus all the moves would be 100 times better. Of course we'd have fun, especially all 4 of us. since multi kinda sucks when we got tired of it we could all play an actual stage one at a time and see who can get the best time only having 1 shot(consistency!) or something else altogether.. I know this would never happen, but it is fun to think about.
About mission 2 and 5 I can't say so much 'cause my time(m2) was done with that old strategy, and I usually don't play mission 5. Be sure I'll try to get my mission 3 back, as PoT I'm a determined newcomer(and a little crazy too xD). I'll go for it right when I get my SA2B.
yeah I noticed you are a crazy boy, but that makes you cool :P
I(kind of..) look forward to you playing mission 3, but only if I am able to re-beat you!
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Back to FR dicussion.. I got 2:11.29 (I think it was .29, forgot already) with using a checkpoint! I restarted at the first checkpoint, which I got to at 46.09, I do not know why I kept playing but I had a great SRs and got a 1:23.1 checkpoint.
I did not submit it cause I used a check and it was not 2:10.. unless you think I should break the tie?
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Oh, it sucks when that happen.
At least you've improved your time and you see that 2:09 closer now. I would submit it cause I would break the tie that way, but I know the feeling about beating your own 'no-check-abuse-time' by using a checkpoint :P
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OMG OMGOGM GOMG OGMGMOGMODJTSKGTREKTKREGVMFRAIHZGIRAJN
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You won't believe this, I was reading a book, after a while I decided to take a break (like after 130 out of 200 sites) and I played FR just one time.
Restarted at the first checkpoint which I hit at my personal best, 45.5, then the run was almost flawless, no restarting at the last checkpoint, and I missed the goal ring at the end, it took me OVER HALF A SECOND to regain my position and homing attack it, and I still made it to unbelievable time 2:10.87!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YESSSSSSSSS!
And it further proves that with a perfect run, 2:09.5 is possible!!
I'm so ****ing happy now!
Picture coming soon if you need/want to see it.
I'm sorry I made no vid, but I didn't think I'd break it and I only had around 15 minutes to play!
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Ok, forget my stupid previous post >_>
Amazingly done PoT!! A shame you missed the goal but you still got sub 2:11. Unbelievable
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Thank you Jawzun! I know it's unbelievable, but actually is just mean that you lose a LOT of time restarting at the last checkpoint. I hit the last checkpoint at around 1:22.4 btw..
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nice one, FR7! :) it is easy to get a new record when you are casually playing calm huh?
you pretty much did what I did last night, only much better. it is odd that you missed the goal, how'd that happen?
how did you manage a 1:22.4? exceptional run or great SRS? both?
I am definitely going to try to beat you today! The race to 2:09 is on! but for now, I gotta find where I put that silver trophy :( I really hate having that thing
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Thank you! Yeah, I was totally calm, even at the end. I don't know how I managed that, but yeah. I also don't know how I missed the goal ring, I just got shot (form the middle of the boosters) to the right side of the platform and hit the invisible wall. <_<
Exceptional run I guess, even though I had to restart form the first checkpoint.
Let the race begin, now that we know that 2:09 is definitely possible!! and lol @ silver trophy :D
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I actually just noticed now, but is that yoshifan going to heat up the competition as well?
I saw he beat Jawzun's FR time by half a second or so...
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I don't think so, he just improved some random stats ;P
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Damn, you guys have been chatting a LOT about this. This would be the 101st reply!
unfortunately I have little to add to the topic, except I suck pretty badly at a lot of parts of sa2. Don't bother trying to teach me how to not suck, because I'll just forget it all in a couple days anyway.
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Hehe, well, you need to play almost every day <_<
Go for it when you have holidays or so..
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Umm, anyone got some tips on Mission 2 in FR? I can't seem to get it sub1:00 <__<
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small improvement, new time is: 2:10.7
I think I found another time saver, but it's difficult to pull of(like everything is at first) and it needs some testing..
PARAGOD WHERE ARE YOU??
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PoT, double posting is bad. Triple posting is... quite noobish really.
May I direct you to the "modify" button?
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Sorry for the bluntness of that correction.
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I just hate multiple posting, and it CAN'T go unchecked.
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Irony ftw?
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lol.
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lol I keep forgetting that because I usually am on GFaqs and there's no edit button there <_<
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Hey FR7, Brian, everybody. (What's your real name? It would sound better than calling you "FR7" or "PoT" :P)
I have been away from evil-gotta-screw-up-good-runs sonic and the pc doing some fun stuff. Had a cool boat ride with the boat we've had for a year and never used, some exploration in the woods, basically lots of nature stuff. I love everything about nature and its wonders, so I am a lot happier now :)
Maybe the break will help me play very well and waste your new 2:10 with a 2:09! then you'll never be able to receive checkpoint aid ever again! What kind of time saver did you find? I am guessing you did not use it since your time was only improved by a little bit.
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I remember when I used to be so into competition. i was never at the level you guys were (even at a single level, really), but it was still fun for me. I'm glad you guys are having a blast shattering records. Blow my times out of the water! They're pretty poor times I didn't spend much time on, so give them the rankings they deserve.
Hopefully you guys make up a new generation of SA2 elite.
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You're back!! woohoo
Good to hear you enjoyed your trip. Meanwhile, I was playing FR and went to school <_<
Anyway, it came out the time savers don't really save any time, and I've been trying for days now..
Well, I still feel some little improvement, as I got 2:10.7 again today, but that with 2 checkpoints used!
So now I wanna see something from you again!
lol thanks, stefan! Tbh, I'm only good at FR, my other times range from top20-not even green <_<
Oh, my real name is Goran. <_< Yeah, unusual, Serbian name, as I am a Serb living in Switzerland. ^__^
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Goran, huh? I like it...
one more thing to know about the peoples here at TSC
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Yeah! You're back, it's good to see you again. I got my SA2B!!! I got it in the past week, and I'm improving some of my times, but the most important thing is... I got my Green Forest M3 record back!!! 2 days ago I was training my M3, and found a new way to finish the mission, then after some tries, I got 51:70!!! But wait, after this I could do a very good run and got 51:47!!! Hahahaha, Paragod if what you said is true, then I think I've maxed up this mission. Unfortunately it wasn't taped, and that is the reason, for me to not submit this time, I think that every sub 52 time, to be completely free of discussion, have to be taped. But I'll get it again and I'll tape it.
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lol, congrats.
I think a picture would do it, actually. I have no vid of my FR time either, not even a screenshot.
Actually, just submit it, we know you're good enough for it to be possible for you.
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Thx, ok I'll take a pic of it and put here to you all see, but I'll try to at least beat paragod's time again and tape it, just for proof.
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Which reminds me, now that I can get 2:10.7 contantly (every 20th try), I should get a vid..
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Really? Great! I'd like to see such extreme performance.
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Ok, worst case scenario:
I was making a vid for my FR speedrun, expecting to get the usual 2:10.7 or somewhere near off, but then I realized that at the last checkpoint, I beat my personal best by 0.68 seconds! I was like, yeah, I can get a much faster record now! But then, something very strange happened: the last thingy you run down before being shot to the goal ring...I missed that platform. that alone wouldn't be really bad, since I would be restored to the last checkpoint and still have some advantage, but it seems like I'm falling, but not to death, but the way I'm falling, I'm not hitting any death planes (meaning: I don't die, just keep falling)
As I am writing this now, I'm falling for 30 minutes already. I am definitely super pissed off since I don't think I can do this run that fast again! I'm just praying now that Sonic dies at 99:59:99 or so.....
****!
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Ah, SM's had that happen some times, and so have I. He's going to keep falling, whether you like it or not. Sorry :(
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If you taped it, show us, this is a sad thing but you can at least put this vid as a partial run, would be "great" to see this :)
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Well, I don't know how lucky I got, but after 99 minutes and 56 seconds of falling, Sonic died!!!!
And the vid will be up soon, gotta convert it, cut, adjust sound and upload.
Will take some hours, but I'll have it done today!
Did I mention.... 2:10 barrier is BROKEN!!
New record: 2:09:92!!!!!!!!!
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Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!! xP .........(gone to a hospital)
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May I present you this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcofC51dvxc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcofC51dvxc)
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Fuckin' awesome...
THIS is why competition is a good thing
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Thanks!
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I told you 2:09 is possible. I just had no idea it could be done with two freaking checkpoints.. What's looking possible now? 2:08 or even 2:07? I told you once one of us got the "insanely perfect" 2:09 we'd see lower as possible. I just knew it! cause it always turns out that way.
Your SRS was pretty average though, you lost some time there. But what exactly did you do just after the SRS? You were supposed to bounce ball the rail but you did not, it kind of looks like you did a bounce ball to the platform to the left, or either you jumped off the rail really fast, I am not sure cause of the video quality. Did it save a lot of time to get you to the check so fast(1:21?!)
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Yeah, you were right with the 2:09 and lower. I would say that now a 2:08.5 would be max.
Definite max for the first checkpoint is 45.5, which I've gotten quite a few times, but never below.
That's actually the new shortcut I was trying! The SRS was intended to be a blue aura jump, so I can get to the beginning of the platform as fast as possible with the homing attack. After that, a charged spindash with two bounces lets you get just enough height to be able to run on the platform to the left. From that point on, when being behind the first AC, charge a spindash, release it and turn to running formation to make it to the second platform, from there, jump and bounce on the rail, the rest should be clear.
I've never been able to pull it off that well, that's why it definitely saved me an addition half of a second..
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ahh okay I see it now with your explanation. very cool looking and helpful time saver there. It will probably take me a little while to do it properly without hitting anything.
As payment I found a tiny little time saver for you.. it may not even make a difference, but on the very last rail you hit, if you jump and do he B+A move(bounce+homing attack) on the rail, you will go hyper fast and shoot to the springs in less than half a second. this works on any rail, I am not so sure if it is useful anywhere else, but it speeds up the ending for sure. Also before the rail I mentioned you wasted time with the bounce ball.. just do a jump and you land right on the platform as long as you jump soon enough..otherwise you go below the platform and die. you really need to revise the ending, you will probably get 2:08 and start seeing 2:07 :P Actually, I already see 2:07 if you don't use checkpoints, but we know that is going to get harder and harder as we find trickier tricks.
I guess I should play instead of sitting here making you do everything..but you are crazy! I broke the sub 2:12 barrier but you broke.. sub 2:11 and 2:10! I will be silently playing.. practicing..which should keep you on the edge, cause you never know what time I may submit!
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I knew about the B+A trick, but it's actually just as fast because I have just a huge upwards momentum.
Well, I didn't know that a single jump would give you enough height. I know I've tried it a few times, but didn't seem to do it, so I just thought it's impossible. I guess this'll be worth some try outs...
That alone probably won't be enough for a 2:07, but I have another little trick that DOES save time, but I lose time getting into the right position. Maybe we can work together to get the perfect path for it. Anyways, hard to explain, but I'll try to do it here (else, a vid is needed)
you know the little tunnel you go through at the very end of the stage to reach the springs that shoot you upwards to where the boxes are?
There, on the tunnel, to the left side, you gotta be standing on the part that is 45° angled, if you do a spindash without jumping towards the wall, there is a small hole in the invisible wall, so you will directly be sent to the red platform you have to run down.
This may save up to a second, but getting into the right position definitely loses me a lot.
Oh and good luck at FR!!
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ha, funny.. I had just found that trick myself yesterday, and I had no luck in saving time either. I kept getting hit by the rocks and dieing, never quite landing on solid ground. Guess all we can do is keep trying. I had a different way of doing our new trial trick, I was jumping from the corner of the block with the 2 rails on it, I think I would have made it if I had anticipated the camera change, I reacted very slow re-angling my self. I don't know if it will work better, but it would have to be physically faster than jumping up on top.
But at this rate we will someday get down to 2:05, or maybe 2:00.. seems crazy as I said weeks ago but things just keep coming up.. if you had told me 2:09 is possible when I had 2:15 i'd of laughed at you, but it is a reality now. things thought impossible.. can become possible! that is just so awesome! Remember old master Zealous? I hope he sees your time.. he thought my 2:15 was wild, he would think yours is just insane, he would probably be proud of how far you pushed "his" level :P
by the way 2:42 is really good on final chase for your first try.. feel free to play that level all you want, because my record really sucks. 2:27 or better would be easy, and not even be optimized still!
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lol, yeah I guess I'll center my playing around this trick for a while now since we know there's time to be saved..
Aside from that, there's nothing I see that can save any time, expect something called gravity control. Brian told me about this, it seems useful. Ill have to wait for a vid to know how it's done exactly, but he also said that with that technique, there might be a chance of skipping the 3 springs quickly.
2:05 isn't that far away, either. If we can find out how to use that shortcut at the end of the stage, along with that gravity control thingy and no checkpoints...who knows, who knows..
Yeah, two weeks ago I would have said 2:09 can't be done, but new little trick keep appearing.
Too bad I've never got a chance to meet Zealous. Where is he even, did he retire? From what I've heard he must have been awesome! Let's hope he returns some time..
Yeah, I was surprised I was so near the record on my first try. I had to abuse checkpoints though because these damn tubes keep screwing me over.. <_<
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I got the trick to work a few times last night, jumping from the left side of the block with the 2 rails on it. I could not quite tell if it really saves time, but it seems like it should. I had one run where it seems like it saved a second..not so sure. maybe you will have better luck testing it. But at least I can confirm jumping from the block works, which is probably the best spot. knowing you tho you'll find a better spot.
this gravity trick sounds interesting, tho I have no idea what he did. Brian is going to have a list with hundreds of SA2 patents someday.. :P Maybe he'll find me a way to get 1:30 or 1:20 on CE!
Zealous I am pretty sure you can say he retired. He was here when I was for a little bit, that is when he got his 2:18 to finally obsolete his old 2:26 run, which was the record for a while. I never met him, but he did PM me when I was a n00b(3:12 on final rush) explaining some shortcuts, cause he said I had potential and he wanted me to try to beat his time. I never did so well with the shortcuts(2:40?) it was after I saw his 2:26 video is when I started doing well, beating him soon enough.
you should check out his 2:26 video, it is cool cause it is his old route(very outdated!) plus he recorded it without sound, and he put in his own sound effects for sonic, I think they are funny and awesome! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbMKT3vvIrI He uploaded it there, and apparently his last sign in was 10 hours ago, so he is around...just not here. you should send him your 2:09 video, and see what he says. I'd like to hear what he says!
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I only got a chance to try it for some minutes, but I can see that it will save time. The sudden camera change doesn't really help, but oh well. I'll be testing more tomorrow <_<
The Gravity trick is indeed interesting, I can't wait for his new Green Forest vid!
Hmm, too bad. I just PM'd him on his YT channel, told him he should come back to compete here again and showed him my vid to hopefully awaken his spirit again.
Also, I've seen that vid quite a few times, and it's amazing! Even more awesome when you take into account that this vid was made around two years ago, and that without it (and his guide), many would have never found these awesome shortcuts he showed there.
Let's see what he says, and whether he comes back.
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If you jump properly from my spot, with a well-timed homing attack you will land on the solid slope just before the camera changes, then you can do a spindash and the camera will whip around so you can start holding down.
So he used a new trick to get the green forest record back? maybe I can beat it then... with what I do now .47 would have to be so perfect it would be an ultimate challenge. I wanna badly see it now, maybe it can be used in all the levels.
I get the feeling Zealous is not in the mood to compete these days, because he has known about my old 2:15 for a year and he never attempted to improve himself nor show up here, I think he is had enough and letting us take over. I am sure he will still be amazed at your time though, he still shows interest in watching FR runs, just not playing.
Yeah- as far as I know he is the real final rush expert for finding the overall best base strategy that can be further optimized through persistent playing.
I am unsure if I will beat you :( I cannot do your new trick at all, I cannot even manage to bounce high enough to the platform.. I said the same thing about the SRS at first, so probably I can do it in time. Seems much harder though..
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Yeah, you are right. I've tried jumping form this spot, and it really worked quite a few times. I guess it still needs checkpoint abuse though, because I can get it 1/4 times now.
Taking about Green Forest...I don't have the DC version, so do you know how much time I lose because I don't have access to that invisible platform?
Been a day, no response yet. Then again, he didn't log in for a day now.
tss tss, of course you will beat me! You're the great Paragod after all! You will have to practice the new shortcut though. You can use the nearby 1:06 checkpoint for praticing, probably with 99 lives or so..
Remember, it needs two bounces to reach the platform(height) and the previous spindash for distance.
And don't worry, it's actually much easier than the SRS, at least it was for me.
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25% is probably about the same success rate I was getting once I figured it out.
I am going to say GC loses 8 seconds to DC. My 1:32 on GC was semi-flawless just like Brian's 1:24, and and I am sure 1:31 MAYBE 1:30 is possible with perfection, that would be 1:23 or 1:22 DC. It would be around 10 seconds, but there are some parts that you can do faster on GC.
I am the Paragod.. but you are the crazy newcomer who loves final rush! out-doing you for good will be very hard. It sounds even harder with your explanation, knowing that I have to time the spindashes and bounces just right to barely make it.. practice it very soon, I will!
I am glad you finally took down my stupid Mission 5 record. I hate that mission so much, a few parts are trickier and getting a flawless run just does not happen for me. 2:15 sounds about right for a lenient max. Are you going to improve it soon(along with mission 3, 1:44 or 1:43 is possible there now!) or are you waiting for me to beat them both cause you know you can swipe both back quickly? :P
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After a few days, I'm sure we'll both be able to get it up to 50% or higher..
8 seconds huh? Well, I was never that good at green forest, so I was just wondering <_<
yeah, hehe.. it's funny, I developed that technique as a backup when the SRS wouldn't have shot me that far. turns out you save quite some time there. Oh, and we need a name for that too. this time, you choose!
I wasn't really familiar with the mission 5 hazards, so I just went in with around 14 lives and used a checkpoint or two when needed. M5 and M3, I will improve it whenever you want me to. I don't really have anything to do now anyways.. As you can see I've been submitting some score/ring and other time records to improve my overall stat.
Also, I came to the conclusion that I suck at all M2 records <_<
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Hope so. It does not seem all that hard, to me it has been way easier than your new trick.
you want me to name it? okay, sure..lets see.. it involves 2 rapid bounces, and 1 spindash..(and 1 A button press but it doesn't really count as a jump) so... I guess I will call it...FR7's Rapid Bounce SpinDash! (RBS)
should we name our new trick at the end? If so you pick the name for that one.
I guess I will just play FR M2 and 5 sometime(maybe today) and then you will surely play them and beat me, and then we could at least pretend we are having heated competition back and forth even tho the times we submit suck(till we hit 2:15 anyway, that is when the record starts resembling something I can actually call a good run)
As for missions 2's, well maybe you are just used to longer levels that allow you to be much more imperfect and still get a record plus allow you to use checkpoints. you cannot do any of that in mission 2's, so you need to adjust your play style and you will probably adapt. Since they are such short missions, they can be pushed to near perfection(within a few tenths) unlike FR with 2:08 or 2:07 as a future possibility. Your times for them are not that bad anyway, just look at my very first submission for mission 2's,(or any mission for that matter) yours are just as good or better.
For Final Rush M2, do you want me to make a quick video showing you my route? I got 40.04 with it(haven't submitted that just yet, I want sub 40 now) I think my route is way easier, and just as fast as yoshifan's.
and you know what is funny.. I saw your submission for city escape and I said to myself "he's getting better!" then I read the comment and it says "getting better" :P
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Practiced a bit today, got it up to 50% I think. that's from the tunnel. I have no luck in getting it done from your spot, and haven't found a better one either.
RBS sounds perfect! Name for the last trick? hmm... How about Cross-Wall Spindash! CWS!
I guess then I'll wait for you to get both records back, and then try to snap them from you again..
You are right, I'm used to longer levels. good thing there's a lot of vids showing M2 runs so I can just copy that and usually get a 5 seconds lower time. Then again, I'm not really that trying (only for red now). I'm not submitting anything that is below red either. There's no ned to hurry anyways..
And it'd be really great of you if you could upload that vid. And while you're at it, maybe the Radical Highway m1 as well? It says file not found, and I'd love to see that run because it seems like such a good time!
and you know what is funny.. I saw your submission for city escape and I said to myself "he's getting better!" then I read the comment and it says "getting better" :P
XD
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Hi guys, I've been off for a while 'cause my job is taking most of my time now, but I'm visiting the forum whenever I can, only to respond a question: In my green forest mission3 record, I did the same strategy as in my vid, but at the end instead of spindashing and jumping, later doing a homing attack and go to the chao's plataform, I got the light dash right before the checkpoint and did a super bounce, then homing attack in the bettle and another to the chao, this is the only thing I did diferently, I'll try to beat this later but before that I'll make the vid explaining how "gravity control" can be used in real speedruns ok? I'm getting really excited with the tons of records that have been beated and re-beated in the past few days, SA2B is finally back to hot action!!! See ya! o/
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Hey Brian! I'll try that out.. if I fail it is cool, you deserve all the green forest records plus more with all of your crazy contributions to the game, with probably tons more to come. I anticipate the new trick as well cause I have no idea what you may be doing. Yup, us 3 plus yoshifan have been playing a fair bit(yoshifan beat me, and discovered a great new strategy for metal harbor!) Just wait til Jawzun plays again, it'll be great. SA2B will definitely have the most and best action out of all the games on the site for the time being, since other games are pretty much dead with random people putting some random stats. About time SA2 was active I must say, even better that there are new players that are beating me at sonic levels! that wasn't so in 2007, everybody was afraid to even try. :P
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Practiced a bit today, got it up to 50% I think. that's from the tunnel. I have no luck in getting it done from your spot, and haven't found a better one either.
RBS sounds perfect! Name for the last trick? hmm... How about Cross-Wall Spindash! CWS!
I guess then I'll wait for you to get both records back, and then try to snap them from you again..
I am going to make and upload the FR M2 video soon in an hour or two from now, and if you really are not having any luck from my spot I will also make a quick video of that, since it is very easy to do. It's odd.. if you are really jumping from the top of the tunnel it seems like you would LOSE time compared to the regular way..since jumping on top takes quite a while compared to the block, and I am lucky if I even save a second. (Not so sure, yet)
Glad you like my name, I like yours too!
Red stats are a good goal to start with for a great player like you, but I am sure if you ever show real interest in M2's you will start getting near records pretty fast, after you adjust. Radical Highway.. It must have just recently died, it worked a month or two ago. I swear I had a copy on my PC, but I guess not. I will check the other PC later, it might have it. If not I can at least give you my M5 run, since it is dead too and I have been needing to re-upload it.
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Done:
FR Block jump: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwz9PU8bols
FR M2 Route: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjieCcvmOrA
On the block trick I did not succeed, but I did properly do it.. just bad luck or something. Just copy it and it should work fairly often eventually. I was going to do it til I got it right but somebody else wanted the tv, so I took what I had and went to make all the videos. surely you can figure it out anyway, once you land you simply let go of the control stick and just do a straight spindash.
I also uploaded radical highway M5, and metal harbor M2 if by chance you wanna see that one. I cannot find M1 of radical highway :(
I am now going to play for your M5 record!
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Check out the M5 time!
It sucks, but I am really excited that I found a CWS spot for M5(I assume you did not, otherwise I KNOW you'd have 2:14 or 2:13) Since this is mission 5, I CWS saves tons of time, 4 to 5 seconds since you do not have to deal with the wannabe chaos to hit the switch.
I will let you figure it out yourself(It is really easy to find) and I have pulled it off exactly twice, and I have attempted it twice, meaning so far my consistency is 100%! Which is great..yeah, this is awesome :P I did not use the tunnel to jump by the way, I jumped before the tunnel (Spindash jump + homing attack)
I got to the check at 1:29(best is 1:28) and I didn't have to restart anywhere. I am sure you are capable of 1:25-1:26 checks, so put that CWS to good use! I could easily do 2:14 myself tonight, but I am very tired, and very tired of playing :P
I also realized a few things about M5.
1. I might have a chance at competing with you since one of the game developers was generous and took out the platform just for me, making your super-tough RBS trick not work.
2. The CWS for M5 is actually faster than M1 because it is much faster to get in the spot and jump, probably a 1.5s lead over M1.
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Thanks for the vids, they're definitely helping me!
Nice M5 time, it'll take me a while to get that back...
The best I've hit the last checkpoint was 1:29.5 and with restarting there, my best time came out to be 2:18.5.... I guess I'm losing quite some time at the end. I need to find a good route there.
I need to improve overall on M5 anyway.
So was playing M1 today for fun, and noticed that I'm just 0.3 seconds off my record on the last checkpoint, so instead of going to the goal ring, I decided to go and get the chao (well, the 1 life capsule, at least). And tadaa, 1:44:14.
I'm not sure whether to submit it or not since it's not saved as a M3 time... What do you think, should I submit it?
Anyway, I say go for the 2:14 on M5 if it's easy for you.
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Hope so, I was not sure if they'd be of any use or not. you need anymore for anything just tell me!
Did you use CWS on M5? it makes the ending very easy and you can beat me with a 1:29 check, I know much lower is possible like 1:26. 2:12 is probably maxed.. quite close to M1. I need to improve overall too, I am going to do that today. I was tired last night and once I discovered the exciting 5-sec saving CWS I just wanted a completion. You know that long rail you ride near the beginning, on M1 you touch it at about 17 seconds, and you enter the building thing at a mid 18 seconds? what time do you enter the building on M5? I get there at 20.5, I am wondering if you have a better route or not.
Heh.. well.. in Pyramid Cave, I was playing on M3 and I had such a great run I went for the goal ring. The goal ring freezes your time for a few secs so as far as I can tell it was just like playing M1, so I submitted it as my M1 time(Same time I have today) I am not sure about M3 on M1... since you have to touch the extra life box and pause right after, obviously proper timing is impossible.. plus a homing attack locks onto an extra life box and not a chao, so if you had quickly homing attacked it the time would be less than what you'd of gotten on M3 and be illegit. I would probably just do it again. :(
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Mhhm, I guess I will.
Another question, in white jungle, quite in the middle of the level you're holding onto a rope which circles around the tree once, and then you get sent to a platform with a spring at the beginning. I've seen speedruns where a player just gets shot a little further to avoid touching the spring (major time loss, since it just shoots you upwards). How do they avoid it? I can't seem to..
Yes, I used CWS on my 1:28 run (a bit better, but not submitting anything below 1:27). It seems that I'm losing a lot of time in the middle part of the level, because I enter the building 1.2 seconds slower than in M1, meaning at around 20.0.
I just avoid the AC at around 0:14 by a short hop and the B+A to be running instead of grinding.
And don't forget to tape that 1:24 run, I'm sure it'll be awesome! (good luck btw)
Hmm, you're right, I'll just go properly for it again in M3. I'm pretty inconsistent on that last rail part though..
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I have no idea. I hate that spring, it is the only reason I did not get my record back, it is 1 in 10 for me and that is not going to work in a run without checkpoints. I am guessing DsS had the same issue, cause we both know 1:32-1:33 is possible but we both have 1:35's.
Brian knows in green forest hitting the top spring shoots you much further and faster, but white jungle only has one spring.. so who knows. I have tried tons of wacky things hoping for something that consistently works, but nothing. I would ask Brian.. if he doesn't know already there is a fair chance he will find a way for you :P
I am mixed up with your whole next paragraph, what 1:28/1:24 runs are you talking about?
I did some M5 today on FR, I had great plays but they turned out no better than what I did last night, I thought the run I had last night really sucked. maybe not. Oh well, 2:16 is a fun time for you to beat! Oh, your times page looks nice so far, with all red and silver :P
I did get the RBS to work on M1 finally, I guess it is not so hard but I still have not gotten a run to the next check with it yet.
150th post in this topic!! This topic is bound to have to most posts from the whole site soon!
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Hmm, guess I'll just 99 lives abuse it to get a red time...Who knows, maybe I'll find something that works consistently, I doubt it though.
I was talking about how I enter the large building at 20 seconds, which is 1.2 seconds slower compared to a good M1 run.
And if you decide to go for the 1:24 run on M5, a vid would be great!
Yeah, I was actually quite surprised when you said a M5 1:24 run would be easy. Well, I thought my M1 run sucked too, until the point I noticed I had a 1:21.57 check :P
Thanks, I guess I'll go with Final Chase M3 and M5 next. It'll get annoying when I reach the Knuckles/Rouge part though. All these luck-restarting runs with memorizing the best locations for each emerald...AWWWW
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Hi guys! Finally after 4 days of job, I'll play again, it's too frustrating not being able to play the amount of time as when I was on school, I'll take a look at final rush first, to improve my own time and try to find another shortcut, but while I don't find any, I have something for both of you to test: at the beggining of the stage instead of jumping and do the B+A, transfer to the right rail at the end of the first one, you'll notice that if you jump you'll reach another rail that leads you up, but instead of jumping in it, let sonic go off the rail and begin to fall, notice that you have a rail at sonic's right side, and as soon sonic starts to fall, aim for it, if you do it right you'll be able to grab on the rail at a high speed and later, at the end of the rail, jump off and do a bounce attack, aimming to the next rail, then let sonic go. With this strategy, I was able to reach the rail before the hall at 17 sec everytime I did it right, I don't tested any ways to do this faster but I'll test it today, this strategy is old, like 3 years ago, and was found by one of my brothers.
About White Jungle, I'll do some tests to try a way to figure out how that spring works, for now that spring is a mistery to me too :/
About videos, I'm very happy you uploaded your vids Paragod, 'cause I was seeing a lot of records and I always keep thinking: "How he did it?" I pray for God to all of us, everytime we beat a record, we have taped it, I can't do videos for now 'cause my camera isn't with me, and it most of the times make me not do my best, I can't wait to take it back and tape a run of Green Forest mission 3, 2, Metal Harbor(My favorite stage) mission 2, 3, and Final Rush mission 1, those are the first ones, obviously before them I'll make the "gravity control" video ;P. See ya tomorrow o/
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Hey Brian!
yeah, job must be really hard, good thing me school's easy on me for the next week! anyway, I'm not too sure if I got everything right you said.
there were times when I reached the last rail before the rail that goes through the building in 11 seconds (almost 2 seconds faster than usual), but I have not enough speed to maintain it and jump off. Maybe I'm doing it wrong though. Also, I got that 3 times out of 130 tries...:(
I guess I'm doing it wrong, a vid would really help.
Can't wait for the Gravity control vid either.
And good luck on Final Rush, I know you can at least beat Zealous!
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good to see you with some time to play Brian, we all want to see you to unleash your potential!
And if you decide to go for the 1:24 run on M5, a vid would be great!
This is the part of your post that confused me.. what mission am I planning to complete in 1:24? or do you mean get to the FR M5 checkpoint at 1:24? If that is what you mean it won't happen for me, I was thinking 1:26 to 1:27 would be good since I did 1:28 on a run that was still "bad" but for now I am stuck at 1:29.
I thought you were not going to play the sucky hunting levels :P
I gave you a tiny bit of incentive to play FR M3.. The good thing about the run is, I had a pretty good RBS! You are right that it is pretty easy. I got to the check at 1:22.9(My first 1:22 I believe) of course I tried to go for the goal seeing as I had a shot at 2:10 w/o using the check.. but I messed up. So I went for the chao and got 1:47, and I did really terrible in the chao rail section and lost 1:46, I could do 1:45 at best. I will probably do M1 very soon and go for 2:10 with RBS, I am tired of having 2:11!
Brian can definitely beat Zealous, and us if he felt like it. Did Zealous say anything to you about your time and video?
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Aww, can't believe I messed up twice. I meant M5 in 2:14! Wow, huge mistake on my part....twice <__<
Hmm, nice time, I've been working on overall stuff lately. Though the last 40 mins I spent testing the CWS in M1 and came to the conclusion that if the two rail thingy is bounced on and being continued normally, you're not losing any time at all compared to the CWS.
Anyway, I guess I'll attack these times tomorrow. I'm pretty sure I can get M3 back...not too sure about M5 though.
Also, judging from "went to goal ring", does that mean that you restarted from the 1:22 checkpoint?
And no word from Zealous. I didn't check whether he logged in since I wrote him though.
Btw, any idea how much time the RBS saves?.. <_<
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How about that.. 2:10.19 on M1!!
RBS is simple now, I had 46.2 on the first check and 1:22.2 on the last check. No restarts at any checks! I did not make any use of the CWS glitch cause I knew I would mess up, but now I know I can definitely beat you! I wish I could do the beginning better.. I make up for the slower first check by not restarting at it, but 45.5 is really fast. I can get 45.9 which is very rare.
soooo close, kinda like when you almost took my M1 record away for the first time, wasn't it 0.64 or something?
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Aww, can't believe I messed up twice. I meant M5 in 2:14! Wow, huge mistake on my part....twice <__<
Hmm, nice time, I've been working on overall stuff lately. Though the last 40 mins I spent testing the CWS in M1 and came to the conclusion that if the two rail thingy is bounced on and being continued normally, you're not losing any time at all compared to the CWS.
Anyway, I guess I'll attack these times tomorrow. I'm pretty sure I can get M3 back...not too sure about M5 though.
Also, judging from "went to goal ring", does that mean that you restarted from the 1:22 checkpoint?
And no word from Zealous. I didn't check whether he logged in since I wrote him though.
Btw, any idea how much time the RBS saves?.. <_<
2:14, yeah that is definitely possible. I am tired of getting messed up at the beginning though. I'll play that again after you beat me.
I did restart on my M3 run, though after I failed at getting a M1 time I got to the chao first try, so really I did not restart at all.. but I have always restarted on M3 (unlike M1) because I hate trying to jump to the platform on the left from the rail, I usually miss or get hit by that enemy by the chao. So we are even there in restarts :P
When I had a good SRS I could get a 1:23.2 check at best, now I am already down to 1:22.2 with a bad beginning with RBS, I am going to say RBS saves 1.5 seconds.
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Ok damn, you took ALL 3 records back! Did you tape the M5 one?
Anyway, congrats, even though you only broke the M1 record by 0:00.13!
I can't believe you got a 1:21.1 checkpoint, that's 0.4 faster than me personal best!
Well, at least I know I can still beat that time with even two checkpoints. I'm wondering however, how can you say you'll get 2:08, did you mess up a bit on the route?
Whatever, good thing we have a weekend right now, so I can play a bit.
Damn that's gonna be tough, I didn't expect you to break my 2:09 record so fast.
Guess it means now screw the overall records, since FR m1 has top priority.
I will get it back, just you wait!
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Hmm, haven't been able to nail the record yet, since I lost all my lives on that run, but new personal best on the first checkpoint is 45.39, which I've gotten twice already.
EDIT: Checkpont free run, and guess what? We're tied, again! My heart's beating soo fast, and hands are shaking, I pause-abuse in the end(last platform with the goal ring) to see if I will make it or not, because I hit the checkpoint at around 1.21.3, but I missed the last box with the bounce attack 3 times <_<
I think that's enough for me today, hands are STILL shaking. I'll play tomorrow again, I'm not satisfied with just a tie. =D
Mid check was around 45.9 btw.
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nah I did not manage to tape anything, I was going to play M5 again and tape it to see if I could show you any new tricks, but I wanted to give myself a small break with another game, then I fell asleep. I will try today, because I had a 1:27 check last night, which I blew 2:14 with because of the big ring chain as I said in my comment. All the runs were with no checks, except for M3 (1:21 check)
Damn that's gonna be tough, I didn't expect you to break my 2:09 record so fast.
me neither, but the RBS saves a ton of time, and once it got easy.. I knew it was a matter of time before I had just a decent run to beat you. I am going for 2:08 because I had a 1:22.2 check, and my best is 1:21.1. It will be hard to overcome nervousness and not mess up after I get a low 1:21 check, but it will have to happen eventually. Plus I know a 1:20 check is possible.
Checkpont free run, and guess what? We're tied, again!
Crazy.. but congrats, isn't this your first FR M1 run that you actually were able to leave the checkpoints alone? If so that is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! WE both have the record on fair grounds, no stupid checkpoints beating(well, tieing) me! just great!
My heart's beating soo fast, and hands are shaking
hahahehe...shaking like crazy whilst trying to type your message? don't you just love how powerful and important a game can be on your mind and feelings.. it is amazing to me, the feel of pulling off something that was extremely challenging is so rewarding..for me, it is probably one of the top 5 feelings you can experience. THE FEELING OF ULTIMATE ACCOMPLISHMENT! Kinda sucks how you start feeling it before the run is over tho(nervousness) and it screws you up huh? :P
Yeah I know you can easily beat this record, I am happy to finally get off of 2:11, and actually challenge you again. I am not going to be satisfied til I get 2:08 and neither should you!
What do you think of my 1:45? is it close to max? Its amazing you got 1:44.. maybe I am really bad at the chao part.
I also was messing around at the end today, and I doubt it, but maybe we will have a new time saver for a few seconds. At the end when you roll down the thing with the rocks, what shoots you to the goal ring is some boost pads.. so I was wondering.. maybe with the right jump(or bounce) you could skip those pads and land right on the goal? that'd be way faster than flying through the air..
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man you're gonna go into shock when you see my two new times.. M1 and M5 got totally destroyed! and taped! and it only took an hour an a half to get both! I will probably upload them both soon!
On M1, No checkpoints, of course. 46.1 on the first check(terrible, I had badluck on a rail, got shot straight up instead of forward) 1:21.4 on the last check, great ending! I definitely see 2:07, but 2:08 is still really good for now. No CWS by the way, its too hard and might not even save time as you said.
When I get 2:07, I am done for good. Until we find more tricks, anyway.
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2.08.5x, eh? Definitely impossible with two checkpoints. Well, that's what I said about the past 2:12 record as well.
Damn, that's gonna take more than an hour to get back. I know with a perfect run I can hit the mid check at 1:20.8 or so, so I can't even break that record even with only 1 check used.
I didn't expect it to become so difficult at once. And that you even said you see a 2:07...that's just beyond me. I know you're the best of the best, but really, this shocks me!!
Guess I should stop telling you my new tricks, since you just keep beating me :P
Anyway, I will beat that time, and even if it takes years!
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To ditch that spring on white jungle all you have to do is move the control stick to the left when you are about to fall off the vine.
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I get the feeling you are upset or mad at me :( Since you want to stop telling me your tricks, I thought you enjoyed letting everybody else know what you know like I do. Fine, if you feel 2:08 is hard I won't get 2:07 tonight like I had planned. Kind of a relief really, it would probably take me another hour or two and I am really getting tired of doing the same thing over and over again. Guess I have just had enough of final rush, those dang rails, missing those dang rails, having the rails laugh at me as I fail.. a break!
So.. 2:08, 0:40, 1:45, 2:12. Those are my best times, they are my final challenges for you.
Just so we have an absolute max(at the moment) I had a 1:20.4 check on a run, and I screwed up losing 2:07.(aaaaargh!) I had a 46.0 check there.
So.. 2:08.52 = 1:21.4 last check
I had 1:20.4 with 46.0
You can get 45.4.. that makes 1:19.8
which potentially adds up to.......
2:06.8!
That is the absolute limit for a real player. I am never going to go for that since I cannot do better than a 45.7 first check :( but I just knew 2:06 was possible, if you want to be crazy!
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No, no, you got it wrong. I'm not mad or upset. In fact, I'm happy because the time got lower again. Remember, we're going for a sub2:00 some day
Anyway, you should try to get a 2:07.
Btw, you taped those awesome runs, didn't you? I can't wait to see them. BAAAW
Oh and I haven't tried it yet, but thanks hyper1000000.
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I discovered that spring trick by accident when I was trying to speedrun White Jungle.
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Thanks dude, I'll try it today, I'm really sad 'cause I don't have a camera right now to tape my Speedruns :(
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Skyly >_>
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Skyly >_>
Hahahahhaha, you noticed it, yeah I played PSO in the past 5 years, it's an awesome game.
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I did it! I only have to get the mission 5 record to own this stage, but I won't do this 'cause I don't like this stage so much, I'll foccus my efforts in beat the metal harbor mission 3 record, but not mission 2 'cause I really suck at this mission, I just can't do this fucking jump to the chain of rings.
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Damn, I thought I'd have you this time, but then I take a look at the time and I'm 0.2 seconds away :(
I did not see any mistake in my run.. It's just the nanomistakes as you once said, Para.
Btw, still awaiting your vid...
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Sub 2:09.. great! I knew you could get 2:08, and potentially take it back. And you said you'd be playing for a year..ha..yeah right!
Did you restart at the first checkpoint if you see 0.6 faster being possible? What was your last check time?
I have been lazy about making videos :( sorry.. I might do them today, maybe 10 hours from now when it is daytime. You can definitely see how 2:07 is possible when you see the big time loss in my 2:08.. and what sucks is how it is totally the games fault and not mine! Usually I fly forwards not straight up!
I think me and you both think of maxes and flawless runs a little differently. When I think of a flawless run, I think of every last nanomistake because every other competition site the records are completely maxed to every last tenth usually, which for FR at the moment would be 2:06. My 2:08 (looks) flawless other than the big mistake, but I know lots of parts could be a tenth faster or maybe even a little less, nothing really felt perfect on my run. But for you, you don't mind or don't notice such small mistakes and feel you could never out-do your run. It is fine both ways, I just think it is cool how we both have our own standards in how far a level can really go :P
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Oh, I thought you already had the vid made and were just too lazy to upload, lol.
No, I didn't restart at any checkpoints. This easy calc shows how I come to thinking 0.6 CAN be saved somewhere:
I had a 2:09:92 run with two checkpoints. Each checkpoint loses me around ..0.7-0.8 seconds.
Take these 1.4-1.6 seconds, along with knowing that it wasn't my best run to the first checkpoint (I hit it somewhere at 0:45.5x-0:46, whereas my best there is 45.39) would make a current maximum of...
2:09.92
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=2:08.22
^That, along with taking into account that I missed the box once in the end (which might've just cost me the record) would be around 2:08.05.
Maybe, with total perfection, 2:07 is possible in my eyes. I don't see (or know) about your big time loss that cost you 2:07 though.
Usually I fly forwards not straight up!
With that, do you mean the big shortcut rail that shoots you forward at around 0:36? If so, then yeah, you did lose 0.5 at best, and almost a second at worst..
Actually, I thought the same way you did. It was because I restarted at checkpoints, so I oculd abuse them to get the "perfect" time on that part of a level. But now with you pushing me and not allowing for any checkpoints anymore, I got used to letting very small mistakes to by. If I weren't to do that, I'd still be trying in 2015 <_<
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ha..well now you know THE only way to max a level is to not use checkpoints, especially on levels like this where they cost a half to 1 second apiece. But you should thank me for making you use checkpoints, like I said before once (I) stopped using them, I became a much more skilled and consistent player faster than I would have if I kept depending on them all the time. I almost never use them today, except in cases where I hate the level and just wanted a decent completion quickly. (Like FR M3 and 5) It is great you can do FR without them now, I would much rather lose the record to a single run compared to when you originally beat me with 2 checks. I'd be trying in 2015 too if I went for what I feel is perfection (2:06) but 2:07 is actually doable if I try for a few more hours.
The reason I think 2:07 is so "easy" is cause my 2:08 had a mega flaw costing me 0.5, plus the run was very...... average. Not bad, and not even close to spectacular or special but just average. So the way I see it, taking away the half a second flaw leaves 3 hundredths to go.. very easy to erase the rest of the run felt so "average"
What happened by the way is, I stopped flying off the rail at 35 seconds cause it was not consistent enough, and I have a new method where I do a trick off the 35 sec rail once again, and do a B+A on the first rail. What it does 9/10ths of the time is shoot you very quickly off that rail and right on to the next one, but on my 2:08 run I got shot straight up in the air instead, which happens 10% of the time for no real reason..I am not sure if it is faster than your method, but I do know I am getting 45.5 checkpoints now so for me it is the best way.
The race for 2:07 is on, I guess!
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Very true, I feel I got better as well. I could never do sub 2:00 on Radical Highway for example, and now I just played it for fun and got a 1:55. That's not an amazing time, but it's a 6 second improvement for me without using any new tricks.
You probably saw all the new times I submitted (noting too great, but I'm always going for red), but I spent most of my time playing Final Rush actually. As you can see in my comment, this last run was a 1/1000 one, who knows when I'll be able to redo it, or even produce a faster one. I'm going to try that trick you said at :35 though. I know I've tried it before that, but it didn't really save me any time...maybe I just did it wrong. Technically it should save time, seeing as you can get to the first checkpoint in 45.5 now..
Oh well..Guess I'll take a break for a few days from Final Rush...
I still have to get reds in the Knux/Rouge missions (I hate m1 on them..that's gonna take time) and Eggman/Tails (I'm decent at a few, and I SUCK at the others).
Next is to submit to Rings. It's needed if I want to raise my rank. I'm going for top20 in SA2 now...
For the 2:07, you'll definitely get it before me, but I'll catch up.
(When you go for 2:07...RECORD IT!!) That would be just as awesome as your CE vid.
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Managed to quad hit King Boom Boo in Dark Bosses and sub 3:30 final rush m1.
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Keep it up.. you will be as good as me in every level in no time! Be careful on radical highway though.. if anybody on the charts improves their time beyond yours you will be knocked down to orange!
I dunno at best this new trick is probably the same speed as yours(which would be great, as it is more consistent) But maybe it is faster who knows, it is much better for me.
Next is to submit to Rings. It's needed if I want to raise my rank. I'm going for top20 in SA2 now...
cool, you may have just inspired me to go for the top 10.. cause it is very easy(a matter of time) and right now I am super bored...something kinda challenging to go for!
Oh well..Guess I'll take a break for a few days from Final Rush...
I still have to get reds in the Knux/Rouge missions (I hate m1 on them..that's gonna take time) and Eggman/Tails (I'm decent at a few, and I SUCK at the others).
hunting mission 1 sucks period, yeah. you get 99 lives, restart til you find a good piece...die until you find another, die til you find another. I bet most people only play those levels for points. Thankfully mission 2,3, and 5 are much better to play, as they are similar to sonic missions with a different theme and different character. If you ask me some of the records are absolutely crazy, like death chamber M2 or Wild canyon M2.. yoshifan is crazy at those! For the shooting stages.. I am....uhh...okay at some of those I guess. I like most of the stages,but some are boring without much variety. I have always wanted to be as good at those as with sonic, but I just cannot seem to get that good. As before.. a lot of these records are extremely hard to beat.
(When you go for 2:07...RECORD IT!!) That would be just as awesome as your CE vid.
nah, no way....... I have 30 to 40 hours on FR right now, and maybe another 3-5 to get 2:07.. that can never compare to what I went through to "max" out CE. Remember though, once I do get 2:07 I am never playing the level again(till we find something new) so once you catch up you will remain #1.
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hmm, true. Guess I'll need to improve a bit there. And I'll also try the trick at FR just to see if it saves some time.
Yeah, I was wondering why you didn't go for top10. You still have a few charts that have no submission. That's easy points, even if you are in the green! <_<
Oh well, I'll save the m1 ones for a rainy day. and some m2 and m3 ones are super hard to do, same goes for m5 in Mad Space and Meteor Herd..
Never again? Well, that reminded me of someone's vid saying it was his *Final Final Rush Video* =D What was it, 2:15.75? Cool to see how that got to a soon-2:07!
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You did it! Now that you mention it there are quite a few levels I have with nothing.. I just hate those levels so much I never even bothered trying once :( Plus I like to submit at least orange stats, so I did not submit my emblem completions. I will work on them when I want the points bad enough.
Never again? Well, that reminded me of someone's vid saying it was his *Final Final Rush Video* =D What was it, 2:15.75? Cool to see how that got to a soon-2:07!
hehe, well I actually made that video at a point where I thought I was done competing for good therefore I told everybody in the video that it would be my last one. I came back later on, so of course it was not true now. I promise if I get a 2:07 I will never play FR M1 until one of us all finds a shortcut that saves at least a full second. The only exception to this rule is if the 2:07 has a big flaw that makes me see 2:06 as a realistic possibility for me, but I am almost sure this will not be the case. 2:07 will take a clean run and then some!
Oh well, I'll save the m1 ones for a rainy day. and some m2 and m3 ones are super hard to do, same goes for m5 in Mad Space and Meteor Herd..
lets just say they are almost all crazy.....
are there any other records of mine(or others, or maybe even a non-sonic/shadow level but I doubt it) that you are going to play as much as final rush and try to take #1? or is FR the only one? just wondering, cause it'd be cool if you did, but I have a feeling you only really love final rush.
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Yeah, I got it on my very first try without checkpoints. I was surprised myself ^_^
And I guess it won't take you too long getting orange in all these level you don't really like.
I was playing quite a lot of Mission Street today to get these 4 charts up..oh well, it takes time.
I can't wait for that! I can't see any even coulda-be shortcuts atm, so I guess that won't happen in the very near future <_<
I also might go for M3 soon, as I've gotten consistent on the Chao part, and if I can do it without checkpoints then I have an advantage over you.(lol, that would be the first time you used a checkpoint and I didn't).
Oh well, I might, MIGHT go for the Final Chase ("Final" fanatic, that I am) seeing as that was my first real run, with quite a few mistakes. I never really liked it, but why not doing something you're good at?
I have quite a few other levels I like such as Metal Harbor and City Escape, but that's too far off my capability... and I don't like them as much as FR d<_<
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Yeah, I got it on my very first try without checkpoints. I was surprised myself ^_^
what'd I tell you, checkpoints ruin a player's skill! :P
I also might go for M3 soon, as I've gotten consistent on the Chao part, and if I can do it without checkpoints then I have an advantage over you.(lol, that would be the first time you used a checkpoint and I didn't).
haha yeah, the tables will be turned. that will make me feel like a n00b :( but once I feel like trying I can definitely do a checkpointless run, then I will feel better about myself.
Oh well, I might, MIGHT go for the Final Chase ("Final" fanatic, that I am) seeing as that was my first real run, with quite a few mistakes. I never really liked it, but why not doing something you're good at?
I have quite a few other levels I like such as Metal Harbor and City Escape, but that's too far off my capability... and I don't like them as much as FR d<_<
might as well, like many other levels your first try times are way better than mine.I wish you luck there though, the tubes take so much precision I think it is pretty much impossible to skillfully do them properly, so you definitely need A WHOLE LOT OF luck!! I can't even come close to my record now because of them, but I know at least 2:25 is possible near a max. 2:30 would still be pretty good though, if you think you can do it. 2:31 sucks, but its #1....only for lack of competition :( You could get the record on those levels as well if you wanted, trust me. Nothing of mine is out of your capability!
anyway, I HAVE EXCITING NEWS!!
I played for 2 hours tonight, with no luck other than a slight improvement...but..
I found a new time saver at the beginning!! I am now getting into the big building at 17.90, and getting high 44 at the check! On average I am saving about 0.4s on each run, but I think you can save upwards of 0.5 to 0.6s once you have it all mastered. This is very cool, I am still not going to go for 2:06(oh god....) but 2:07 is going to be really easy now, and you will probably start seeing 2:07 as a possibility for yourself :)
I am not doing what Brian suggested, I am using the exact same route we have been using, with a slight change. I can't really explain it with words very well but at the 14-15 sec rail that you jump off of, instead of jumping and falling do a bounce ball around the check point, then another one on the downward slope, then aim for the small left rail with another bounce ball and switch to the right one. you will have much faster speed on the rails, and you will cruise through much faster saving the time! I think this works cause when you bounce ball on the sloped surface it makes your next bounce ball point straight down, giving you much better speed. I am sure you will miss it the first time, but it is thankfully a very easy trick after a few tries.
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Actually, the checkpoints helped me participating in a certain area over and over again. I also got used to the time I should reach a certain part of a level.
Yeah, I have my trouble with the tubes. I'll see how bad they really are once I start playing the level for real. I might even have to 99 lives it at first <_< God I hate that..
Nothing of mine is out of your capability!
Objection. A certain Mr. City Escape would like to have a word with you ^_^
0.4 seconds is a good time saver! Good job on finding that! Then again, I don't really understand the shortcut from the text. I tried a bit here and there today, but nothing.
Guess I'll need to carefully rererereread that. <_<
I can hit that long rail at around 16.95, but since I don't have any speed besides a bounce, I'm going pretty slow(well not slow, but definitely not the max speed) during the first few seconds...
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Actually, the checkpoints helped me participating in a certain area over and over again. I also got used to the time I should reach a certain part of a level.
oh, yeah they can be helpful for practicing and such. but if you get dependent on them they will only drag you down as well as making you waste up to a second each one.
Objection. A certain Mr. City Escape would like to have a word with you ^_^
:p I guess what I should have said is, nothing of mine is beyond your actual skill level, but what you lack is the determination to get that low since you don't like the level as much as FR. That should sound better.
Yeah I was so excited to see that it saved time, I had known for a while now that bounce-balling from a slope onto a rail gives you max speed, but I had no idea it'd actually save time in FR. I think I hit that rail at around 16.9 as well, but thanks to the slope bounce speed you enter the building at sub 18 on a good run! I am fairly sure you get max rail speed from the very beginning using it.
I have my newest 2:08 on tape, I will upload that if I do not get 2:07 today so you can use the trick. I played 4 hours last night after finding the trick, I was half asleep and could not play worth a damn, and the game just didn't want to give up a 2:07 :( I got 2:08.24 with a 1:20.6 last check.. why didn't I get 2:07?? I got 2:08.52 with 1:21.4.. stupid game!
My new target time for mission 3 will be 1:43, by the way. I want 2:07 so I can be done forever!! (until/if we find a you know what)
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I guess you're right, and thankfully I'm past them now. Well, in most levels that is. I'm still 99-livesing levels like Mission Street to get a time in the red, and boy that's difficult. Been trying for quite some hours, and I'm still 5 second away from the worst time in red...
True, Final Rush is THE level for me! I've been playing it for the past almost 5 years now, and I'm still getting excited every time I enter the level. I remember it was one of the coolest things in gaming history for me to grind down that first rail in space and see the earth.
I've also known that you have more speed that way, but I never really tried to find a route that allows me to bounce on it on that spot without losing time before..
Oh I'm sure that your 2:07 won't even last that long. Either I'll beat it or discover another time saver. The ultimate goal is the 2:00 barrier after all!
EDIT: New time on Final Chase. I might even make a vid soon. Also, I found an almost-1-second shortcut. ^_^
PS, I entered the top50! woooho
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Oh I'm sure that your 2:07 won't even last that long. Either I'll beat it or discover another time saver. The ultimate goal is the 2:00 barrier after all!
It's amazing that you guys have progressed this far from... 2:12, was it? Kudos to everyone for pwning so much and finding new timesavers on this awesome level. This is how competition was meant to be!!!
I wish you all the best of luck to keep making improvements, and NEVER QUIT TEH FINAL RUSH.
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This is how competition was meant to be!!!
Yeah!!! I agree, well, kind of anyway. It is a lot better than most games on the site at the moment with no active players or group of players competing, but it still is not ultra fierce competition with the record being swapped back and forth almost everyday.. but something like that is probably impossible on a fairly small site like this anyway. It is way better than a year ago where I had lots of records no one even tried to beat.
I was at 2:15 for over a year, then when FR7 was getting near my time I improved to 2:13 then very quickly after 2:12, and then he finally beat me right after I got a 2:11. So obviously FR7 is the reason 7 and a half seconds have come off the level, not to mentioned 12 seconds on mission 5 and 7 on mission 3. Crazy and yet awesome, huh?
Thanks for your best wishes for us, we will do our best to make the record a flawless, beautiful, exciting run that nobody can beat!
True, Final Rush is THE level for me! I've been playing it for the past almost 5 years now, and I'm still getting excited every time I enter the level. I remember it was one of the coolest things in gaming history for me to grind down that first rail in space and see the earth.
that is pretty much how CE was for me. I got SA2 for DC when I was 12 and always enjoyed doing that level, over and over. I especially liked running from the truck, I used to like how you could turn the corner and it'd be gone, then all of a sudden he turns that corner super fast and is right up on you. I sucked so much back then I could not even beat crazy gadget, it was not until I started competing here that I was able to even beat the game. I would say its quite miraculous that I am getting records today!
Oh I'm sure that your 2:07 won't even last that long. Either I'll beat it or discover another time saver. The ultimate goal is the 2:00 barrier after all!
woah.. before you were saying I am the all mighty paragod that can always take the record back, now you are saying if I get a 2:07 it sucks and you'll beat me easily? :P you sure did get a huge confidence boost from somewhere..I like it..but at the same time kind of discourages me to go for 2:07 if it is not even special like I thought it'd be :(
EDIT: New time on Final Chase. I might even make a vid soon. Also, I found an almost-1-second shortcut. ^_^
cool, I don't know if I will compete with you there though since I hate it. But we will see, I never thought I would compete with you at FR either cause I did not feel like playing it at the time and I figured you'd never beat me, but look how fun that turned out!
Happy 100th post! And I am sure at least 70%-80% of them are still from just this topic :P
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Oh, I also loved City Escape, but I always hated the truck chase. I don't know why, maybe because I suck at it? Oh well, snowboarding at the beginning was just THAT awesome, especially since I played SA2 before SA1, so I didn't know Sonic had boarded before.
I could beat both stories, but when it came down to Eggman's part of Cannon's Core, I had to give up. For like two years or so. That huge green room with all these floating boxes, I never knew where to go there <_< Then after two years, we(friend and me) finally found out. Next big problem was Knuckles' part. We always thought we were just too slow and that that was the reason we always drowned. Took another year to find out that he had an upgrade to breath underwater forever <_<
And the Biolizard was pretty tough, too!
Wait, wait! Who said 2:07 sucked? It's super awesome to get that, but as all the recent records on Final Rush, I just doubt it will last that long. Even when I broke the crazy sub2:10 barrier I thought that this would last for a while. What was it, 2 weeks after you beat it?
A 2:07.6 seems possible at the moment, it just requires a perfect run.
Yeah, I also don't really like Final Chase that much. I only play it because it Shadow's version of Final Rush.. <_<
And that just reminded me that I still have to go for sub2:00 on Crazy Gadget!
100th post? I didn't even notice, thanks!
And more like 95% actually >_<
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I'd of been a disaster at cannon's core back then. The first time I played it around 3 years ago it took me forever to beat, I didn't have the air thing either! That part was like... don't get hit... find an air bubble now!! Biolizard stopped me for a while as well :(
Well you just sounded like you were saying it is going to be beaten super easily, which to me is shocking since I have trying for 6 hours now and failing! I'll tell you what though.. 2:06 may not be so ridiculous to get after all. I learned a new slight time saver from your 2:09 video last night, and I got 2:08.04 with a 1:21.3 check!! My best check is 1:20.1!! I usually get 1:20.6 on average but I was sucking yesterday, and still nearly got 2:07........man......why can't the insane 1:20.1 checks every complete :(
Yeah, its the DARK, more evil form of final rush! much harder to perfect cause of the tubes!
can't you do lower on crazy gadget? you have my and yoshi's videos, you should easily be able to get around 1:50 with mistakes if you just do what we do, and I know you definitely can do the tricks.
Did you figure out the trick I found on FR yet? remember, just jump and bounce once by the checkpoint, bounce on the slope when it starts going down, and you will go right to the rail where you bounce again and nail it at max speed!
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Quick response, don't have much time atm. Will respond to the rest of your post later. Just wanna say that your vid, as well as quite a few others are not available, and yoshifan's vid is in hard mode which is quite a bit different. I'll take a look though
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I fixed mine a few weeks ago, it should be fine.. keep in mind there are probably 2 videos, the one I just uploaded and the dead one, one of them will work.
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Lol, I actually like CC itself, but every time I enter it it just reminds me of these days I couldn't beat it. AARRGGGHH
1:20.1? Wow, that's amazing. I guess I'll invest some hours tomorrow evening and see what comes out. I still haven't figured your new trick out by now, but I'm sure I will tomorrow. I know I did it once today while I was playing for fun. I actually reached the first check at 34.89, which is 0.5 second better than my personal best was until now!! I never thought that the magic 35 seconds barrier would ever break!
Dark side, huh? Well, these tubes ARE pretty mean, but I'll go for at least second place in FC soon. Although improving by 5 seconds won't be that easy. I gotta take a look at Fman's vid again, maybe I oversaw a nice shortcut!
Anyway, 1:50 on CG will be very hard I think. I do pretty much the exact same things you do, just a tad slower. So I just waste seconds and seconds on things that I can't do at the same speed like you because of the lack of skill in that level. Oh well, I'm actually satisfied with my sub2:00 already, but I'm always up for a challenge!
Btw, getting SU?
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I just hate CC cause it is boring, the sonic section is short and stupid, the walker parts are...okay I guess, the other parts are all extremely boring as well cause you are just hunting for switches and dealing with the overly annoying obstacles. Basically I had to torture myself to get the A-Ranks, I will probably never touch the level again. The times SM got are amazing though, I mean how many people could figure out how to get 1:15 by themselves.. almost nobody?
(you must mean 44.89 and 45) Yeah that is the best time I can get at the first check, I love my new trick! I however hate knowing I screwed up a 2:06, and that I can't even get 2:07 after 6 ridiculous hours of playing..I wish I was 10 times better of a player than I am now!
You may be missing a shortcut, but really seconds are very easy to take down on FC. I had 2:43, and then everybody told me to play FC for the record, an hour later I had gotten it down to 2:31.. ONE HOUR for 12 seconds! The level is very easy to master really, for me the hardest parts are the tubes in the beginning, even worse is the tubes in the middle of the level, and finally a perfect jump and homing attack to the spring at the end without being pulled onto the tube. Get everything to go right, you will probably get below 2:30 and you'll see much lower being possible! (But I doubt you'll go for it :P) F-Man could easily take the record back, but he says he doesn't like SA2, amazing how well he did on all the levels he played huh? he probably played each level an hour each and had tons of records.. but I guess that is expected out of the best 3D sonic player on the site.
Yeah it is pretty good, I just figured you could get around 1:50 with very little effort..maybe not, but that is cool.
Btw, getting SU?
you can answer that for me, is it going to totally suck like secret rings or did they fix the useless control set up this time?
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I actually don't find CC boring, but speedrunning it just sucks. I'm glad I made it into the red, that was difficult enough. A-ranking wasn't really a problem as Tails' and Eggman's sections gave you lots of points, you just shouldn't die.
1:15 is extreme! I've watched the vid, and my best time is a minute slower <_<
Ooops, yeah, 44.89 and 45. I should definitely invest some time in playing it, but Unleashed just keeps me away.
o_O 10times? Do you want like a.. 30 seconds speedrun on Final Rush or so? :D
Yeah one hour for 12 seconds in the record sure is amazing, but then again, it's you we're talking about. It's to be expected =D
Well, I finally found out where I lose a lot of time. I lose about 5 seconds on the last long tube because I can't seem to jump directly to the spring. Most of the time either the camera or I screw up and I end up on the second to last tube <_<
I also noticed that I hit the middle checkpoint at 1:24 somewhere, and Fman gets is at 1:20 I believe.
About SU, well, I can say that it is a fun game, with quite some frustration on the first playthrough. The daytime stages are extremely fun to breeze through, and some of the night stages are also quite fun.
My only problem are the controls, which while responsive, aren't as sharp. It takes Sonic a good amount of time just to turn around while at mid-speed.
And maybe I should mention that I absolutely hated Secret Rings? Yeah, worst Sonic game <_<
Just keep in mind that the PS3/360 versions are a bit different from the Wii/PS2 versions, and that the PS360 version have two more levels and better graphics.
I have the 360 version, but the Wii version is a blast as well.
I can recommend it for you for sure!
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So that is where your SA2 time has gone. I'll consider getting the game if you think it is okay..maybe they will add rankings and we can compete! Then we will be on equal grounds, and see who really is the best!
o_O 10times? Do you want like a.. 30 seconds speedrun on Final Rush or so? :D
Nah it is physically impossible to go that fast even if I was a thousand times better, I just want to be good enough to where I'd almost never make a mistake.. and I could have 2:06 in no time! But I guess never messing up would make me a robot, and no person is going to have much luck or fun trying to be better than one of those..
Yeah I hate that tube and that spring. I never could do it with any consistency, I got lucky on my 2:43 run, my 2:36 and even my 2:31. You gotta fall down at a fair distance from the tube in the right spot, which is hard only cause of the stupid auto-camera angles. He got a high 1:19 check, I think I had around mid 1:19 on 2:31. Of course a 1:16 check is totally possible with perfect middles tubes.. that's 2:28 and below...Tons of potential for the level thankfully, so you don't have to restart after every tiny little mistake when going for the record! Maybe knowing that will encourage you to get yourself a FC record. I've have tons of REALLY sucky runs that get me a 1:19 mid check, by the way.
Oh yeah, you should definitely post a video of your run soon, there are probably some spots I can help you go faster in...maybe...
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Yeah. However, I just noticed I didn't mention on my previous post that the Wi version has different level design than the 360 version (when I mean 360, then that includes the PS3 version as well. Same goes for Wii and PS2). I don't know if you have a 360 or PS3, but if you do, get that version of the game.
Don't worry, there's no need to be that perfect. Take a look at my 2:09 vid. I would guess that everyone on this world besides you and maybe Jawzun/Zealous see that as a perfect run aside form the use of checkpoints.
Same goes for your CE vid. I can only see a super tiny flaw that cost you maybe 0.1-0.2 seconds.
I'll see what I can do. I haven't really played the stage for perfection yet, meaning I'd restart if I see even the smallest flaw. Maybe I should do that until I get to the 1:20 checkpoint. And I guess I will have to abuse the last checkpoint there <_<
If all goes well, I'll the vid up until next week. Busy week until Friday T_T
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I can now stop being tortured by final rush's stupid luck!! 2:07! Now it is your turn :P I did not tape it cause when I record, the game's picture quality is worse and it makes me mess up more often, but it probably doesn't matter cause we can save the awesome video for sub 2:00! 7 Hours to go from my first 2:08 to 2:07... freaking ridiculous. I'd of probably had it in an hour if I would have stopped being so nervous after getting a 1:20 mid check..Oh well, thankfully it is finally over, I have my 2:07. I am happy!
I don't know if you have a 360 or PS3, but if you do, get that version of the game.
I'll keep that in mind, I guess if tsc makes charts the game will have to be split up into many charts.
I can only see a super tiny flaw that cost you maybe 0.1-0.2 seconds.
Curious.. what flaw did you see? I am wondering if you noticed something I did not, cause only flaw I see is I was 0.2 sec slower with boarding than usual, and I did the building drop oddly.. not sure if that lost time. Only a tenth or two if any.
If all goes well, I'll the vid up until next week. Busy week until Friday T_T
Have fun, but don't overdo it and wear yourself out :P I will patiently wait for the video.
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I'd like to note that when this topic was started the time was 2:15 and paragod estimated perfect to be 2:12...
you guys have come a LONG way... massive kudos to you guys!
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And I'd like to note that the topic was originally about how much time ticked on the clock on a checkpoint respawn. Way to go off topic, guys. <_<
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I'd like to note that when this topic was started the time was 2:15 and paragod estimated perfect to be 2:12...
you guys have come a LONG way... massive kudos to you guys!
hey, thanks! we may be just about finished, since at the moment 2:06 is "perfect" and I am not sure if FR7 sees that as a possibility for him yet.. and for our current route, I am done for good. Even if he gets that 2:06!
The record is exactly 8.06 seconds faster than the record I held for over a year. Wow! as well as being 11.30 faster than Zealous's record!
And I'd like to note that the topic was originally about how much time ticked on the clock on a checkpoint respawn. Way to go off topic, guys. <_<
hehehehe, yeah..maybe he will change the topic title later when he comes on to something more appropriate. Cause there's no way we're going to make a new topic! I am sure this is among the top 10 or 20 topics with the most posts, and we gotta take it to the very top! (tho we'll probably run out of things to say by then)
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I just came here to say this:
Don't be surprised if Final Rush gets another time saver, this one in the range of...oh, probably about a minute.
No I haven't worked out the details yet, but right now I'm one obstacle away from making it happen.
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oh god.. another psycho SM strat!
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I actually liked Secret Rings.
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Hyper's sig ~ "shortcuts I have discovered: SSR Skeleton Dome Mission 12 Gate ditch"
...WHAT?
You were using a shortcut? No wonder you were so hard to beat! What is it?
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You know that gate that you have to use the cages to go over in Skeleton Dome Mission 12.You can ditch that gate by short jumping when you're the right distance away from it.
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I also couldn't figure out a name for that shortcut and so I made a really crappy name.
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Hey guys!!! You're really awesome! After weeks of "I found a new shortcut!", you finally got close to perfection. I'm really sad that I can't give it a try right now :(. I hope I can help both of you to get lower times on this stage but I'm very busy now, that's the reason for me to being off all this past week, I could only come to the forum to see what you have made in this stage. I'm very excited with the time when I get at least close to be as good as you guys!
My vid of the "Gravity Control" will be done in the first opportunity I have to take my camera back.
So SM have a 1 minute shortcut in test process, great! You can't give us at least a clue to figure out how it works dude?
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Wooh, awesome job Paragod, you got the 2:07 down!! Awesome!
Good thing to see you relieved after that many hours of trying and trying. Looks like you won't be able to rest that long though. Like I expected sooner or later, a new time saver (will be/was) found.
A minute definitely sounds interesting. Not only that would allow for sub 2:00, but maybe even for sub1:00.
Based on my knowledge of Sonic time savers, this sounds like a long invisible floor you can walk on, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's near the 1:20 checkpoint.
Guess it's my turn now to get that record broken again...
(Oh, and inb4SMgetstheFRrecord)
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this sounds like a long invisible floor you can walk on
Close. If SM found it, it most likely is a fake wall that you can pass through.
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Close. If SM found it, it most likely is a fake wall that you can pass through
Well, there's almost no walls in FR...
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I'm with final, I doubt that shortcut can be something diferent that what final said. Think: If a minute can be saved then a single wall won't be enough to cut this amount of time IMO.
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Thanks FR7! It is a big relief, heck yeah. And no matter what crazy time SM gets, 2:06 and 2:07 are still great times.
I agree with you both, it can't just be only a wall jump, I mean what is he going to do.. jump through the wall at the end(CWS) and save a tenth of a second? :P
My best guess is plays the level for maybe 5-20 seconds, jumps and falls somewhere, and dodges death zones and lands on, or near the goal ring. But an invisible path is definitely the next most logical guess.
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I hope this helps. I think it's pretty accurate
(http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg279/finalrush7/FinalRushlayout.jpg)
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Actually it's more like this:
(http://soniccenter.org/sm/images/FINALRUSH.jpg)
You start in the upper left yellow square. The ending should be obvious.
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Oh... I see but I can't figure out where is the shortcut anyway. :/
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I don't get your picture at all, SM <_<
But anyway, I just hope you get that shortcut down soon.
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Through the tower wall! From both pictures it looks to me a LOT like the goal is fairly close to the spiral tower! IT'S GENIUS!
Unless I didn't get that at all. <_<
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so I guess I am the only one who is going to be upset if SM screws over final rush? If he finds this ridiculous time cut and it is allowed, I am putting down the controller and I am out of SA2B competition. Forever. Why? Because.. What's next.. city escape in 40 seconds cause you can fall to the goal ring? Is that even fun? Does it prove a damn thing about ones ability? Sooner or later SM is going to ruin all the sonic levels just as he had done so with the hunting ones. Walker stages.. well he has only ruined eternal engine, thankfully the rest are left alone. But it is just a matter of time until every level can be beaten 3 times faster than it should be only due to a senseless glitch that KILLS the competition and fun of the stage.
Look at SADX, quite a few of the sonic levels are stupid. Final egg doesn't even need rankings cause a sucky player can beat it in 30 seconds with the DC trick, and a good player could get 2:00 something with no ridiculous stage killing glitches and be ranked really low. You may as well eliminate that level altogether, it fails to prove who is the best which is the point of a chart.
Small shortcuts and glitches are okay, going through the wall in hidden base is fine cause it is just a few seconds of a time saver, it does not totally kill the sense of playing the level. Or Green Forest, Brian's new trick is challenging to pull off, and cuts off just 8 seconds. It does not completely destroy the whole entire level. Shortcuts, specifically glitch shortcuts that take out over 40% of the level are just getting all too common in sonic games, and it is killing the fun! Look at Sonic 1, almost every level has had its record cut in half during the past year. I suck at 2D, but I had fun with the game. All the glitch stage killing tricks come in, I haven't even cared enough to bother with them. I will probably never play that game again thanks to that, way to draw in competition!
Before someone says that I am just mad about losing my FR record, I really don't care about not having the record cause I am happy with the 2:07 that I pushed myself to the limit to achieve a nearly flawless time. What I am mad about is, how this will totally destroy the level and levels in the future that SM breaks, and more personally, my and FR7's fun little competition. We had a dream of someday breaking 2:00, the fun way, slowly and surely working our way down finding this and finding that. SM however is just going to come in and find a way to cut out two-thirds of the level and ruin our competitive fun just cause he has to go for the big, ridiculous shortcuts that don't really belong in competition.
One last thing.. yes, it is absolutely amazing that he can study a level so well that he can cut it in half or more, its cool, interesting, and amazing. sure. I am not bashing him for being so intelligent. I am just saying that they need to be kept out of the real competition! When something destroys the fun and challenge of a level, you are going to upset people like me who do not desire to simply go through a wall and fall to the goal ring or something similar. If need be why not make a glitch/super shortcut division for these tricks, that way everybody can play the level the way they want. And I don't mean freestyle, I mean on the main charts that way you still get points for your crazy tricks. Instead we are forced to use amazing, however competitively BORING tricks to beat the level, or else we won't be worth a damn on the charts. Hardly fair...
In summary, shortcuts are cool, glitchy super cuts SUCK!
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No.
What makes a glitch shortcut different than a normal shortcut? Where is the magical threshold that makes a shortcut "unfair" and "ruining a level"? How about those superbounces I know you do in Final Rush: they are ruining the fun of the level and ascending up some of those small rails! If you consider this too small of a section to matter, than what defines "too small"?
Any shortcut can be considered, as you say, "ruining competative fun". If you want to ban huge shortcuts from competitions, you have to ban smaller ones too. In City Escape no doing anything besides running down the building! No skipping the loop in Metal Harbor! In Final Rush take every rail on the path!
Eventually, "competition" will cease to exist. Everyone will be taking the exact same path at the exact same times and any deviance can be considered a shortcut. This will not show mastery of sonic or high-quality ability to speedrun.
Blah, blah, blah; read my post in the other topic. I don't feel like repeating myself and you probably don't feel like re-reading it. But people need to get over this big fear of glitchs. Strategy improvements are how competition works, and one must keep with the times to keep on top. I'm sorry if all your effort goes away and if your great fun is lost, but speedrunning is speedrunning and a slower stat is still a slower stat and should be treated as such.
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SM also broke Cosmic Wall.
And if we didn't keep him away from it, he'd show us how to fall into the Green Hill 1 signpost in three seconds.
Besides, knowing the stuff he's found so far, it may only work on one console. Thereby forcing everyone with the wrong console to settle for yellow times.
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I just don't see any way the FR trick can work out, so that level is safe for now.
I went ahead and used the technique for something by putting it into a lowscore (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2LKah8qSxk) at hard mode, but even that variation probably won't turn out useful, as I'm sure you can get there by other means in less than 43 seconds. What I really wanted to do was go around the right side of the tower, but hitting the edge of that pink section--regardless of height--led to a fall out every time, so thank Sonic Team for being security-minded at least in one place.
I haven't yet checked to see what other ramifications might be had from variations of the trick, but for all I know every Sonic stage could be up for grabs.
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Ah, too bad it doesn't seem to work. Just, couldn't you tilt the control stick to the right a bit and see if you can land a bit further?
Anyway, great trick. I've known that there was a small hole in that wall, you can even stand on it actually, and I've used it in my rail vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMZlxHjp8Vs) (damn, I just don't get the ftp thing <_<)
Amazing that you managed to bounce through that hole, really amazing.
And as you said right, there's no way in getting out on the right side of the tower, I've been trying as well.
And if we didn't keep him away from it, he'd show us how to fall into the Green Hill 1 signpost in three seconds.
Oh, this definitely sounds interesting =D
And without going too much into the shortcut discussion, I just want to say that I wouldn't mind if such a shortcut was created (on FR). It could still be in the Freestyle, or banned.
And even if it were allowed, the part that's not skipped by it is still open and comes down to skill.
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Bear in mind that heading too far right, too early, meets another one of those side kill planes, and time spent moving right is time not spent moving up. There's little chance of being able to make the walkway with two 10s and a spring, never mind anything higher.
"Bouncing through the hole" doesn't really take any sort of precision; it's more like a big void from all the way up there. You do at least have to be sure to strafe around the side of the tower; scraping the wall itself is a big letdown there.
As far as applying the trick to other stages, it seems Final Rush is just looser in that regard. None of the other stages let you sustain anything like that, except maybe Crazy Gadget which I haven't tried for the simple reason that its layout just doesn't have anything to use it on.
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*Agrees with RR*
Also, may I direct you to the topic we kinda hijacked from mike that notes that we are divided... some are here to prove skill, others are here to get low times...
The biggest (or at least publicly noted) case of this was when superjump was banned in H2, THE TOP 10 BEST PLAYERS walked out. Why? Because even though they could beat everyone without it (and did, many times, to prove this point), they had no interest in playing a game in a culture that would put limitations. Why ban something that's possible?
In H2, it's even worse because M$ could've just released a patch, but the same rule applies here.
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Did you saw the blazest video? It's amazing!!! Hahahaha he really could tie my video xD. Great dude! Now seriously your ending was close to perfection, it only wasn't perfect 'cause you flied a little from the floor before charging your spindash, but I couldn't do better today, great \m/!!!
I get my camera!!! The video of gravity control is done, it was made together with my video showing my strategies for Green Forest mission 2. The upload will be done soon!
On a side note: I've made something really Paragodly!!! Today, trying to study the blazest ending, I was able to hit the set of springs in Green Forest with 2 awesome times! The first was 41:34, which was 0:21 sec faster than my personal(and maybe world's) best time, this was taped but not from the beggining of the stage 'cause my camera was with very low battery, and at this rate I could tape only a few seconds before it shut down, so I could finish the mission but due to a mistake on the ending I was able to do only 51:62 :(, but that's not finished, after that, I was playing the stage to beat the record again, and I got to the springs in 41:00 sec exatly!!! Wow it was really amazing, and I taped it too!!! I could see the record, but I made a big mistake which costed to me the record, again :(, the game don't wants me to do this xD. That's the story of the day when I got the cam. See ya'll next episode ;).
Edit: Corrected some numbers :P
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so I guess I am the only one who is going to be upset if SM screws over final rush?
If it means anything, I feel the same way, and as a result, amongst other things, your video for Final Rush is probably my favorite Individual Level video from any site I am aware of.
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Oh well, improved by 0:00:17
Only 0:00:85 to go!
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Hey guys, I got my old TV repaired and improved my Final Rush mission 1 time :D
Now it's 2:17.39 -_- Yeah, it still sucks
How do you do the stage so fast?
My checkpoints were:
-0:4X:XX
-1:08:XX
-1:27:8X
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Glad to hear that! And a 2:17 isn't bad at all, 3rd place.
Anyway, here are my best checkpoints so far:
0:44.98
-I don't use the middle one anymore, but it would be around... 1:05:00
1:20:81 (Paragod's is 1:20.1)
How do you do the stage so fast?
I suggest you watching Paragod's 2:13 vid to copy him perfectly and get the same time(or a bit better) than him. After you've done that, watch my 2:09 vid and improve on the sections I did different than him.
After that, it's just practice on your own. However, Paragod did say once that he has his 2:08 recorded, maybe if he would upload it...
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"Brian's weekend News"
"Brian improved some of his times this morning, here's the some:"
Radical Highway:
Mission 1: 1:47:69 3rd place
Mission 2: 39:35 10th place
Mission 3: 1:02:69 6th place
Sky Rail:
Mission 1: 46:10 10th place
Metal Harbor:
Mission 2: 31:25 5th place
Final Chase:
Mission 1: 2:47:35 10th place
Hot News!!!
"Sources confirmed that our great friend "Jawzun" beated Green Forest Mission 3 record!!! The time is still unknown."
"This was the "Brian's weekend Journal" live from Rio de Janeiro."
See ya'll next week ^_~
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Gravity Control video is up. It's on the video section, I'm showing my strat of mission 2 of green forest along side with the video.
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Hmm, holidays starting in 1.5 weeks, and you know what that means.
I decided to put at least 5 hours a day of effort into Final Rush, and that every day of my precious holidays until I beat you.
Yes, and until then, it's mostly SU360's time!
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Everytime I hear "And you know what that means!!", I think "It's time to feed my MAG!!"
I am a bad, bad person
ALSO: The phrase "That gives me wood" reminds me of the same ?_?
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WTF? <_<
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Aita, mind giving us a point of reference for these obscure quotes? >_>
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If you don't know what a MAG is, and/or couldn't guess the context of which "MAG" I was speaking of, I really have to wonder if you're a SEGA fan at all...
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Well, I know there's a MAG magazine.. <_<
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PSO!
YOU FOOLS!
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Never played PSO <_<
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Hahahaha, MAG magazine was GREAT!!! Why don't you play it, it's an amazing game. ^_^
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lol nice story:
I was at a friends playing some 2P SA2:B, and I immediately realized how much slower the Sonic/Shadow stages were in comparison to 360's SU day stages. It seemed like I had much, much more time to react.
I was like, why not give Final Rush a try. So I played a bit FR again, and on my last life, the run seemed to be perfect, until.. the RBS (Rapid Bounce Spindash, in case you forgot. At 1:07 usually). Yeah, I screwed up, Sonic didn't get on the platform with running speed, he grabbed the ledge. Well, I didn't think too much of it because I didn't take a look at the time yet(on purpose, to not get any pressure), so I just continued thinking that said run wasn't as perfect as it might have looked.
So yeah, after that mistake, it went on perfectly, and while running down that fire thingy chasing part, I was sure to get at least a sub2:10 this time. I touch the goal ring, and what do I see? I didn't believe my eyes, a 2:08:67!!!
Knowing that you roughly lose a second, or maybe even slightly more due to accidentaly grabbing the ledge..... Yeah, the record could have been mine...!
Oh well, the reason I'm telling you this is just to make clear that I haven't given up on the main reason why I joined TSC, why I made this topic and why I still play SA2:B!
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Woa!!! Great! I'll play some unleashed when I have chance, maybe I can get better times in SA2B after that xD.
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final i didn't know you made this topic??
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This topic somehow reminds me of an interesting topic (http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=1544.0) that I read a while ago where maggot and ybbun exchanged strategies and tips for Genesis' Sonic the Hedgehog and talked about the game in general. However, this one doesn't reach its level of awesome.
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final i didn't know you made this topic??
But I did!!
EDIT: I can proudly say that I just broke the 2:08 barrier!!!! New time: 2:07.82!
Watch out, Paragod, as I'm only 00:00:13 away from the ultimate goal!
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No editing this time, because some I've got some BIG NEWS!!!
Does the number 12732 say you something? Yeah, probably not, but if you knew that this number was in milliseconds, then what would that be written in a normal way?
Let me help you:
NEW RECORD: 2:07:32 !!!!!!!!
Yes, I did it. I did it. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paragod, I didn't use any new tricks on this run either, but I still sincerely hope you will compete with me in this level once again.
And regardless of whether you do or do not, I want to take this moment and thank you for the tips you gave me, for the fun I had competing with you, and of course for all your support. You were/are THE person for me on TSC, and in my book, you're still SA2's greatest speedrunner!
Big thanks from the Final Rush obsessed guy!!
Some stats about the time: 44:xx check, hitting the speed panel before the check at 1:20.2, hitting the backwards rail at 1:14.7, RBS was perfect, SRS and CWS not used.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg279/finalrush7/FR_NEW_RECORD.jpg
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you are simply the best! quite a power player indeed!
congratulations! well done! I am not sure what else to say..you definitely deserve every positive "you did it!" statement out there. I am glad you finally did it! you definitely have as much as determination as me in something you want to accomplish! That is a very strong characteristic trait that can get you almost anywhere you want to be.
I do really enjoy competing with you as well.. but really I can not see myself ever playing the level again, I had to torture my self to get 2:07 and I really cannot see it going lower. There is not much left competition left anyway is there? Can you see yourself getting 2:06? That is way beyond what I am capable of, my 2:07 was perfect. Of course I had a lot of little micro errors that could be fixed for a 2:06, but there is no way I can be that perfect, ever. I would go crazy trying to do that.
you still gotta do missions 2, 3 and 5! If you want to that is.. I see 0:39/1:43/2:09 definitely being possible for those missions. Remember, CWS saves 4 to 5 seconds on mission 5 since you can pull it off much faster and you skip having to hit the switch, plus the CWS is much more consistent than on mission 1.
Stats sound like mine.. 44.9 check, 1:20.8 check, No SRS, pretty good RBS and no CWS.
It is cool you still see me as the best at sonic.. but jawzun and brian may take that title away someday soon!
FR7 Is the Platinum Top Gold Trophy Bearing Master Of Final Rush!!! Congradjafreakinglations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks a lot! My determination sure is big, but it's nowhere near yours. While I was able to get the record in one Sonic/Shadow level, you have like 20 of them.
This also includes the point of Jawzun/Brian overtaking you. Sure, they might once get most of your records now (City Escape: never), but look at it this way: You got the record first, and you had to search for all tricks/cuts yourself, and then made a vid. Now the so called newcomers can just copy your runs (not that easy, but it can be pulled of I guess..) and just include one of two of their own tricks and get the record because at the time you got that record you were unaware of these tricks.
What I liked best about our competition was that as soon as you or I found a new timesaver, we told each other that. And now, that we both have the exact same route to take, the competition is at its final level.
2:06 is possible, because I had like a 1:20.4 (hitting the boost pad at 1:20.2) check. my best check was a 1:20.24 until now, so I could probably get (erasing some micro mistakes) a very high 2:06 some day, but I really do not want to do that.
M2, 3 and 5 will most likely be my next goal. That is, once I get good at M2. Best time until now was like 44. I need to carefully study the vid you made for me again, and then give it some tries.
Also, I think I might have found another way at the end of M5, but it's pretty inconsistent. Instead of taking the spring at the end, do the bounce trick that gets you high up on a wall, the B+A to keep running, jump, and when you above the box, B. With luck (luck until now, I'll find a way to get this consitently) you'll destroy the box and be on your way to the red path/goalring a little bit faster than with the CWS (not tested, but I think it will be a bit faster).
FR7 Is the Platinum Top Gold Trophy Bearing Master Of Final Rush!!! Congradjafreakinglations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MUCH MUCH THANKS MY FRIEND!!
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That I may, but determination is trying many times, never giving up to fulfill your own goals and accomplishments, overcoming a near impossible challenge to achieve them. You have as much as me. You were not determined for 20 records, just the one on your favorite level, and you got it. More than once actually.. you even were able to overcome my final challenge of a crazy 2:07!
I guess you are right that even if I am beaten by a little bit I should still feel like a top player. Radical highway mission 1 for example really does not mean a whole lot, because a tenth of a second is virtually nothing in determining who is skillfully better, plus he used a checkpoint and I used none, so I am still a little bit better than him even if I am in second :P That will change though if he can do a checkpoint-free 1:43.
Yeah, I always got excited when I found something new and could not wait for you to check it out, I suppose you felt the same way.
I have never tried your method for mission 5, but I am quite sure CWS is much faster and sounds a whole lot easier. On mission 1 for CWS you have to jump on the block with rails and then jump, which wastes about a second and you still get to the goal about as fast as going the regular way. But on mission 5 the block is not there so you can get into place and jump about a second faster, I can almost guarantee that will be the fastest way, assuming you know the right spot(Spindash jump from the edge of the platform that has the block with rails on it in mission 1, followed by a carefully timed homing attack)
MUCH MUCH THANKS MY FRIEND!!
VERY MUCH WELCOME MY FRIEND!!
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Very true, your final challenge was one of the hardest things ever! I would've really wished for the level for go sub2, but that seems impossible. Heh, can't have everything, can you?
You should not only feel like a top player, you ARE on. Not only you don't use checkpoint and they do, but they also might have new cuts you don't even know about! And I'm sure you could even improve quite a few of your records (no, not CE. Well maybe you could, but that'd cost you more time than playing through SA2's story 200 times).
Yeah, I always got excited when I found something new and could not wait for you to check it out, I suppose you felt the same way.
Exactly. There's some kind of psychological thing behind this. In short, you just feel better once you have told that other person what was on your mind. Meh, my teacher explained it horribly <_<
I will compare these two tricks and try to get a detailed comparison.
I haven't played M5 is quite some time, but from what I remember, that wasn't even near max, so that might be where the future lies within =D
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Congrats Final!!! What an awesome record both of you got! You've become a fearsome player xD, I can't see the time when you and Paragod will be competing with me and jawzun for the other records.
Yeah, what you said about getting the records with new tricks is true, but I've not used any new tricks in White Jungle M1 & 3, and the only trick I've found in Radical Highway is a loop skip at the final loop of the stage, what don't cuts so much time but is still usefull. I don't like to beat someone's record with new tricks 'cause someone will come and say the same thing as you said, that's why I tell everyone any new trick I find, like the MM trick on sand ocean, it seems that nobody cares about it, but if I get the M1,2,3 & 5 records, they will pay attention on it xD
One last thing: in that backwards rail, I don't have sure but instead of let sonic just slide through it you can do a fast homing attack to get out of it and then another to get to it again but this time instead of going backwards sonic will be going forward and with the speed of the homing attack, I don't know if it saves some time 'cause I did it without paying attention, but it seems that it cuts some time if done right, another thing is jump over the boost panel instead of hit it, 'cause it decreases your speed. Hope this helps you.
Great Record, waiting for some vids! See ya'll o/
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Congrats Final!!! What an awesome record both of you got! You've become a fearsome player xD, I can't see the time when you and Paragod will be competing with me and jawzun for the other records.
Thanks Brian! I'm not sure that day will come because I'm only going for red stats, and it's pretty difficult sometimes because of the GC disadvantages (Meteor Herd 3, Mad Space 3, Dry Lagoon 3 and 5, Security Hall 5)
Although, when I get all the Final Rush time records (IF that day even comes at all), I'll probably try to take Final Chase. I know there's a lot of unused potential, but yeah..only time will tell.
in that backwards rail, I don't have sure but instead of let sonic just slide through it you can do a fast homing attack to get out of it and then another to get to it again but this time instead of going backwards sonic will be going forward and with the speed of the homing attack, I don't know if it saves some time 'cause I did it without paying attention, but it seems that it cuts some time if done right
I've tried that a few times already actually, and it's didn't seem to save any time
another thing is jump over the boost panel instead of hit it, 'cause it decreases your speed. Hope this helps you.
Yeah, but you can only do that if you're facing forward. Also, when doing that, you need to hold forward and B+A very quick. Not only does it screw me up quite often, but also when I manage to nail it, I have to spindash down and since Sonic is then going so fast, I usually miss the rail afterwards <_<
Also congrats on tying with a crazy SM hunting stat. That sure is amazing!!
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Thanks Brian! I'm not sure that day will come because I'm only going for red stats, and it's pretty difficult sometimes because of the GC disadvantages (Meteor Herd 3, Mad Space 3, Dry Lagoon 3 and 5, Security Hall 5)
Although, when I get all the Final Rush time records (IF that day even comes at all), I'll probably try to take Final Chase. I know there's a lot of unused potential, but yeah..only time will tell.
Oh... I know that, now I'm playing only on GC, I don't play in DC since my 1:24 on Green Forest.
I see... I'll wait for you to get these records then :P
I've tried that a few times already actually, and it's didn't seem to save any time
I'll try it when I get a chance to see myself if it saves time or not, then I'll say you what I think about it.
Yeah, but you can only do that if you're facing forward. Also, when doing that, you need to hold forward and B+A very quick. Not only does it screw me up quite often, but also when I manage to nail it, I have to spindash down and since Sonic is then going so fast, I usually miss the rail afterwards <_<
Yeah, that's the reason I've said about that backwards rail, it can't save any time there but you'll be facing forward, and jumping over it then doing B+A and finish with a spindash, without missing the rail, this saves a lot of time, maybe near or more than a second I think.
Also congrats on tying with a crazy SM hunting stat. That sure is amazing!!
Thanks! I'll beat it soon, 'cause I still don't have my camera (I'm getting very annoyed with this!) :(. When I beat it I want to tape it.
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I never jump the boost pad either, cause it always messes me up. The strategy you are both talking about is interesting, maybe something will work out and make for 2:05 potential!
I haven't played M5 is quite some time, but from what I remember, that wasn't even near max, so that might be where the future lies within =D
Yeah, my M5 record is very weak, you should easily get it once you try. 2:12 is about as maxed as your old 2:09.92 on mission 1... in other words very easy to beat! 2:09 M5 should be as good as 2:07 on m1, and should be your target if you plan to perfect the level.
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Yeah, I think you're right. One more question about M5 though, what route do you take to avoid the first AC at around 11 seconds? I've had some lucky runs where I just somehow managed to run under him and lose almost no speed, but mostly I just have to jump dodge it which costs quite some time.
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Yeah I had gotten lucky with him every so often too, but I always try to jump him and the whole building itself landing down near the slope. I believe I could get into the big building in just under 20 seconds on M5 once I found that new trick that helped me get 2:07 on M1.
Play around though, you may find a way to make the beginning as fast as M1.
Hey by the way, I was wondering a few things.
1. Did Zealous ever say anything about the 2:09 video you sent him or the current FR record? It has been a while now.
2. If rolken is letting you submit times again, why did all your stats disappear? you were really really close to passing me in the overall rankings!
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Yeah I had gotten lucky with him every so often too, but I always try to jump him and the whole building itself landing down near the slope. I believe I could get into the big building in just under 20 seconds on M5 once I found that new trick that helped me get 2:07 on M1.
Guess I'll just have to look into it. Holidays are coming soon, so I'll most probably have plenty of time for such stuff. I hope to get at least one of the remaining 3 records (M2, M3 or M5) by the end of the holidays as well.
1. Did Zealous ever say anything about the 2:09 video you sent him or the current FR record? It has been a while now.
Nope, no PM and no reply to the few comments I made. Also no comment on my vid.
2. If rolken is letting you submit times again, why did all your stats disappear? you were really really close to passing me in the overall rankings!
Because they still think I cheat and only let me submit things when I have the proof right up. So I guessed I would just wait until I have everything in red (I think around 10-15 stats won't make it in red though because of GC disadvantage (and sucking at the driving levels)), the I'll just make a vid of every stat. Can't really take like 200+ pictures at once.
Anyway, what about your SH stats? Got any records yet? I'm sure you can do it!
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There is a good chance you could get them all, all of them are much easier than mission 1.
Nope, no PM and no reply to the few comments I made. Also no comment on my vid.
That sucks.. I thought he still had interest in FR (other than playing) maybe he quit using the account and gave it to someone else or something..
Because they still think I cheat
that is a shame..all you did was submit a time where you were unsure of the decimal right?
Heh.. on SH I have no records(I used to have 3 when the records were really weak)and I do not think I will ever get one cause you need a lot of skill and a whole lot more luck.. which drives me crazy. My best sonic time was 6 seconds off the record, and 4th or 5th place or so, which is okay I guess. The hardest part of the game is not getting mad, I usually lose it almost immediately cause I keep having bad luck and from there my skill drops, so my play ability is almost useless and I quit :P
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There is a good chance you could get them all, all of them are much easier than mission 1.
Yeah, I guess I'll start with M3 since this would be the easiest, seeing as it's a shorter M1 plus some platforming on the Chao path. Then again, I somehow always manage to take a different path than before on the Chao path XD
That sucks.. I thought he still had interest in FR (other than playing) maybe he quit using the account and gave it to someone else or something..
Yeah, I really hope he gets back. Oh well, only time will tell..
that is a shame..all you did was submit a time where you were unsure of the decimal right?
No, it was different. I had two saves on a memory card, both which I played, and both had some of my records on them. Then one day I delete the one file, only to realize later that there were still some records on it.
I didn't think too much about it, and I didn't think they'd ask for proof. Well, they did, and I couldn't show them like 1/3 of all my records because they were on the other file. Sure, what you get once, you can get again, but it's going to take some time. So right now, I'm more focusing on my overall red stats than on FR.
I also said to myself to at least take a month of a break of FR, but I still play M5 here and now again, hoping to discover another awesome cut.
Yeah, SH's collision detection sucks, but I can't really get into detail because I don't really like that game and never was any into it. Only thing left for me is to wish you good luck on your way to glory in SH!
I know you can do it, PARAGOD NEVER STOPS, right? =D
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Paragod, I saw your comment in your MH M2 time, you don't need to wait for a good meteor hit, when you enter in the stage for the first time, the meteor always hit the same place, just look back and you'll see it hitting the floor, then enter in the stage again and jump in that place like yoshifan do. Hope this helps you :)
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Wow, I didn't know this either. Thanks for that, Brian, I had a hard time "red"-ing that!
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Wow, I didn't know this either. Thanks for that, Brian, I had a hard time "red"-ing that!
Oh, no problem, I have something to say you... you was saying something about not being able to submit red stats for all missions of SA2B due to the GC disvantages, but you can get your reds even with this, you only need a little pratice in the stages you aren't good, I though I would never get all my stats in red, but I did it playing in GC, 'cause as I said before, I can't play on DC anymore since my Green Forest TA, and I think I am far away from play on DC again for a long time :(. Tell me the missions you have more difficulty and I'll do my best to help you ok? :)
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Brian! Awesome record for prison lane Mission 5!! (As well as a great Mission 1 time, I know you can get the record there!)
I figured 1:53 was a weak record, because my 1:57 was a horribly performed run.
Good luck on on Sub 1:50(If you want to get that low) and the M1 record! Can you take it to 1:32?
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Brian! Awesome record for prison lane Mission 5!! (As well as a great Mission 1 time, I know you can get the record there!)
I figured 1:53 was a weak record, because my 1:57 was a horribly performed run.
Good luck on on Sub 1:50(If you want to get that low) and the M1 record! Can you take it to 1:32?
Thanks Paragod, yeah it wasn't too hard to get, but mission 1 is a lot harder :P. Something is not right there... the old record was 1:53, but in the videos section there's one video of 1:52 xD, why SuperSonic101 didn't submitted his 1:52? Who knows :)...
I will try every single time again, 'cause I need to tape everything, at least get close to some of my times I think I can't beat :/. I'm improving every single time to get closer to the 4th place, that's why I'm not playing so much with sonic/shadow, but when I get everything I want, I'll get back to them.
See ya o/
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Well best of luck to you Brian, I'm sure you can get the 4th place, and then even 3rd will be in sight.
I gotta get back to SA2 too, but school is sure putting pressure on me. Only a few more reds and then I'll be able to play M5 of FR for real.
Also I just noticed your 39 seconds for MH3 (GC version). How can you do it this fast in the GC version? I've been trying and always got just a few centiseconds worse than the last red stat.. <_<
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7 seconds.
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Well best of luck to you Brian, I'm sure you can get the 4th place, and then even 3rd will be in sight.
I gotta get back to SA2 too, but school is sure putting pressure on me. Only a few more reds and then I'll be able to play M5 of FR for real.
Also I just noticed your 39 seconds for MH3 (GC version). How can you do it this fast in the GC version? I've been trying and always got just a few centiseconds worse than the last red stat.. <_<
Hahahaha I've made psyknux and supersonic101 tie in the 3rd place, if I get the 4th place I'll jump to the 3rd anyway xD, but this isn't easy dude, maybe I'll need to get all my times to the max to get this.
I think you've saw something wrong dude... 39 secs is on mission 5, not on mission 3, my mission 3 time is 47 secs.
If I could play on DC again... I would put down some of my stats, and even get at least one record :/
Edit: Someone made psyknux raise 1 point, and they aren't tied yet :P
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yeah lol you're right, I really saw something wrong <_<
stupid me
EDIT: I might have just found Zealous! I'm not sure if it's him, but seeing as see is an icon (1400+ karma), it could really be him. Post 21-22
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=951327&topic=48216075 (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=951327&topic=48216075)
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yeah that has to be him.
have you checked out that 2:26 video of his recently? somebody commented a few months ago saying the record was around 2:10 by you, and zealous says yeah I saw his video, so he must know about at least some of our modern efforts!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbMKT3vvIrI
few comments down, 4th one or so.
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Hmm, I just checked it out, and apparently you are right. I just replied to his very comment saying he saw my vid, hoping he'll get back. I also found a new way to convert files, so I will probably get into Final Rush again (not 100% though), to at least have a decent quality run at around a 2:10-2:11 time.
Man, just why do that controls of SU and SA2:B have to be so different..? You have to adapt every single time again, and that sure takes some time and patience <_<
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that is cool that you got a better camera now. A shame neither of us taped our 2:07 runs though huh? regardless of quality it would of been great to have. But like I said, running the game through the vcr lowers the picture quality on the tv substantially and makes it harder to play the game. (Amazing I got so many great runs on tape, looking back at it..especially CE!)
About your comment to Zealous, my guess for his lack of competition is that he is probably just growing out of playing competitively, by the way he types I would guess he is 20 to 25 years old now. He probably has a demanding life, leaving him with little time and probably even less interest in playing SA2B for times. Like I said before though, he still shows interest in watching other player's hard work for his level.
Let me guess.. on SU, you are constantly moving forward and your job is to move left and right and jump and such right? Definitely totally different than SA2, and is the reason why the game looks really unfun for me to ever play :( I like having the freedom to move where I wish, it sucks being stuck on a set path and kills the fun of adventuring.
I hope to see you take some new FR records when you're in that mood! M5 is just begging to be beaten because its record is so bad.
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Yeah, you are right, but honestly, I never know when a good run is about to come, and just leaving the camera on is a pain, since the files are not extremely big anyway, but I also have to convert it before being able to cut it, and that also takes forever >_<
Possibly, but his last submission here was like mid 2007, so he can't have gotten too old yet ^_^ And I somehow get the feeling that if he comes back, 2:07 (or the perfect 2:06:9x) will be broken.
SU isn't onrails like SSR, but the level layout is indeed pretty linear. And even when there is platforming, there's just a faster path right next to you...
While there are some fun gameplay elements like drifting and sidestep, your hands will surely move much less than when speedrunning any SA2 stage.
Then again, Adabat1 has some awesome platforming that can't be bypassed by any other way, so that's proof and hope that someday, maybe stages will focus a little more on platforming.
Yes, I have started playing FR for real now again. Played for 2 hours now, and I'm halfway back in there. Sure, the precision and perfect timing are missing, but at least the reflexes are back.
I'm planning to record at least a 2:12 with my new camera, which then will be hopefully in better quality than the last one (which was absolutely terrible -__-).
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2:28 In final chase!! excellently awesome time my friend! I knew a time much lower than mine was possible, and you got a really great improvement over the record I set. An improvement the level really needed.
Did you use any checkpoints? (I believe I did use 1 in my run) Did you have what felt like a good run? bad? almost perfect? Just wondering how far the level could go for you, and maybe me if there is any competition for us there.
Also it has been a while since we talked, how have things been going for you? Good I will hope..everything has been getting better for me everyday!
oh and I almost forgot.. did you get this run on video?
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Thanks a lot! Even though it only took like a week, I was playing for hours a day and was constantly annoyed be these stupid tubes.
I did use 2 checkpoints in my run, it took me like 4-5 tries to get a good time at checkpoint 0:41(the one where there is a 10ring box right in front of you) because of the tubes. I also used the very last checkpoint because I still have to find a good way on the last spring. As I mentioned in my comment of the record, this spring was takes perfectly. I landed exactly on it, the camera didn't even have time to change to the other view!
I felt this run was really good overall, though there's still at least 3-4 seconds to shave off. Right at the beginning, I was already off half a second, but I decided to continue as I wasn't really going for the record anyway, I just wanted to beat F-Man's time. I reached the first checkpoint at a high 41, which is one of my best times there. After that, it took me some tries to get a good (nowhere near perfect) time at the next part filled with lots of tubes. I reached the next checkpoint at 1:19, though I don't know whether it was high or low as I didn't restart there. I also skipped the next checkpoint, and I didn't even take a look at when I passed it.
Actually, I can't even remember my time at the last checkpoint, I just know that I hit the last AC in front of the tube at 2:14. I also skipped the second to last spring, and yeah, got VERY VERY lucky at the last spring. Oh well, I started with 48 lives and finished with 38.
I have also found some possibilities of cuts, but I have to go further into them. I'll let you know as usual. I believe that without considering new cuts, this level could go to 2:27 or even a very high 2:26 if there are no checkpoints used and the tubes play along nicely, though I would say that there is a lot of luck involved when it comes to the tubes.
Yeah, it's definitely been a while! I saw that you subscribed to my channel, and I can say that I will have a vid of Final Chase up soon. I'll probably only do it to show what I do different than F-Man's 2:33 one, so I may start with 99 lives, as I doubt I'll be able to beat my 2:28 that quick. Even though I haven't seen your 2:31 vid, I'm pretty sure you'll notice at least one part where I will be able to improve, and it may help you to improve as well should you decide to compete with me again :D
Then again, I'd guess that you'll probably first try in Metal Harbor, as sonicguitar has beat you by like a second and that only because he used Brian's gravity control, meaning you already know how to lower you time.
I have been great, actually, and it's nice to hear that you have been well, too. Btw, what do you mean, everything's been getting better?
http://i42.tinypic.com/2edqbuu.jpg
^Because, you know, some still don't trust me <_<
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So I've been experimenting with first-rail dismounts in Final Chase, in such a way that I get gravity control. Because for some reason this method lets you do it without being in bounce, it's possible to turn and adjust your downward slope, but if you get too close to horizontal, you get kicked out of gravity control automatically.
As you may know (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6fdGufcsTA), the "default" kill plane in Final Chase ends a manageable distance to the right of the starting position. On exactly one occasion, I was able to drift far enough to the right to get past the kill plane and get stuck in an endless fall. That line of attack doesn't even offer any promising landing spots except straight to the goal ring, if that's possible...is it?
From the start, Tails needs to free-fall for 23 seconds before dying. Shadow, on the other hand, needs only 10 (this increases to 13-15 if you're falling diagonally, and hence slower on the down vector). Tails does start further up the rail than Shadow does, but it's not a very significant difference--worth no more than a second. Does Shadow actually fall faster than Tails? If not, did they move around the kill planes? (Where the kill plane runs out for Tails, there's a turnaround barrier if you try playing as Rouge, so having some aspects of the stage change depending on character isn't inconceivable.)
Whatever the answer to falling speed, is Shadow capable of faster orthogonal movement in freefall than Tails is? After clearing the kill plane, you have to double back in order to line up with the goal, and Tails can't even cover the needed distance before falling too low to reach the goal, unless he starts hovering again. It's doubtful that Shadow could make it without even the possibility of hovering, but you never know...
Alternatively, might there be a way of swinging the angle of gravity control around so you can slowly cover a 180 (or, I guess, a 130 since that's about what you need) and try to reach the goal ring in diagonal fall?
I guess the point is this is some of the fun stuff we can try out once DC or GC TASing becomes usable enough.
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Great time Final! This stage sure is one of the most annoying to me mainly because of those tubes, you got a great time, CONGRATULATIONS!!! It`s good to see you playing SA2 again, it`s been a while.
Surely you`re a very smart person SM, everything you say about physics, kill planes and such is correct, I do my own analysis of these things but your knowledge sure is greater than mine, that`s the cause I`m asking you 2 questions(If you don`t mind to share your knowledge):
1- When you discover a method to get through some doors or walls, do you discover them randomly or you can see them through a software or such?
2- And kill planes, do you keep dying until you find it`s limit or a broken part of it?
Thanks :)
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Great time Final! This stage sure is one of the most annoying to me mainly because of those tubes, you got a great time, CONGRATULATIONS!!! It`s good to see you playing SA2 again, it`s been a while.
Thanks a lot, Brian! Final Chase sure has its annoying points, and I don't really feel safe unless I enter it with 30+ lives <_<
Yeah, I mainly started playing SA2 because my 360 got RRoD'd, and I yeah, I knew it was possible to break the 2:31, as Paragod said himself, but I wouldn't have thought to do it so quickly.
Btw, I just had some time left and was able to make a vid with the time of 2:31:45.
Since that doesn't even beat Paragod's time, I will try to get a better time on vid until the end of this week. If I don't manage that, then I'll just upload this vid since it still shows some nice little tricks some may not know about.
Also, o_O @ SM for experimenting on every single stage in every single corner with more than just one character. Also that sub1 vid of Tails' Final Chase was new to me.
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yeah those tubes are one of the reasons a run as perfect as our 2:07's on FR is probably impossible, there will always be a lot of room for improvement in this level, probably 2 or 3 seconds no matter what. Unless one of us nails that insane perfect and lucky run that will never happen again. The tubes are not about luck, but you have to be so perfect with aiming your homing attack to not slow down on them it probably can never be mastered consistently. Practice may prove me wrong though, I used to think I would never master a few of your FR shortcuts..and.. I easily did :P Also I saw your other topic asking about how the tubes work, it seems to me like it is a matter of the timing of the homing attack and where at on the tube you hit, from there it seems like you have to work the control stick just right or else you slow down. That is all I can say really, maybe all of us in this topic can figure it out. It also seemed like the tubes went much smoother when I played on the DC version...
I don't blame you for using those two checks, the tubes suck and trying to hit the spring at the very end is really hard. The tubes and that last spring are what makes me think a perfect checkpoint free run is never going to happen. For reference my best checks were 0:41 and 1:19 as well(I Forgot what time the last check was)
I found some tactics better than F-Man's too, but you probably found even more. I do hope to see a video, maybe in the process of making your tricks video you will end up with a new record!
I don't know if I will try for metal harbor, I think the DC version has some kind of advantage at the end or something because he only got to the last checkpoint half a second faster than me, and he lost 0.2 on the rocket compared to me so he should of finished about 0.3 faster, but instead he is faster by 1.3! Who knows.. I suck at playing on the DC version so if it is really advantaged by a second I will pass for now, his run is really incredible though either way! Everything was perfect like mine, and the new shortcut was cool to see. I never expected to be beaten by anywhere near as much was I was, I thought my run was perfect, only to be surpassed by perhaps a tenth or two.
Good to know things are still great for you, as for me well just a little bit of everything has been getting better, I can explain it in detail later.
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I guess arriving with only positive things sure isn't my thing. Well, let's go with the good things first.
I was able to record a video, finally. And it also lowered my time to 2:28:37! I still made some slight mistakes, and the tubes and last spring were only decent, but I didn't want to lose more than 30 lives, and I managed that.
Stupidly enough, I used a third checkpoint...the one right after the 1:19 one (which I hit at 1:20 in the recorded run). It was somewhere around 1:35, though that might be off.
So yeah, I already edited the the vid, and it's ready to be uploaded. Well, here's the problem. Remember when I said I couldn't upload pics on my Photobucket account? I think something is wrong with my internet settings, as now Youtube tells me that there's an unkown error causing my upload to fail. That happened on Photobucket as well, but I was also to upload pictures on tinypic.
I will see if I can fix this, else I'll call the support center on Monday.
So if you can't wait for the vid, you can PM me your MSN adress or just tell me to upload it on sendspace/radipshare (if that works in my case now) so you can DL it afterwards.
I guess you are right about the tubes, and I can also easily tell you that you are able to master any shortcut because you've got the skill.
My best time on the last check is 2:06:xx and I found a really fast way to the AC you have to kill.
That would be too bad, actually. I hate version differences, well, mostly because DC has quite a lot of advantages over the GC version...
Oh well, I'm looking forward to hear how everything's been getting better for you as I'm glad to hear that a friend is doing great!
EDIT: Wow, sonicguitar now has a 1:11 on Metal Harbor 1.... o_O
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cool, just like I said you got a new time whilst trying to get a semi-decent tricks video for everybody!
I do desperately want to see it, but if it is too much of a hassle now I can wait until you fix whatever problem is going on. I don't see why you could still get online yet not be able to upload videos.. maybe you could try turning your connection off and back on? that and restart your pc as well.. who knows, but it definitely sucks. :(
You must have some great tricks near the end, cause even when I had 1:19 checks I definitely did not see 2:28 happening for me, maybe 2:32 or the 2:31 I got. But I did see a much faster check being possible(1:16 or so probably, thanks to the damn tubes) F-Man had a 0:43 first check and still got a 1:19 mid check.. I know we will easily see sub 2:25 and beyond if we work hard on it! But til then I need to see your tricks, cause 2:28 would be a near perfect run for me :P
1:11 on metal harbor is just plain crazy.. He had a much better rocket this time(13.00 instead of 12.50) and he used brian's other tricks through the run. His jump to the goal ring was awesome, that definitely saved a lot of time over what I do, but he got to the first check(0:22) about half a second slower than I usually do so 1:10 is possible! Which is just plain ridiculous, but really cool. I think he also starts the boarding part faster than I do, I think that is where the DC advantage is but I am not sure. If he can get 1:10, that would be a really cool time.
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http://rapidshare.com/files/227891191/Final_Chase_new_Record.wmv.html
There it is! ^
Had to switch the music as my video converter totally screws with it. It definitely wasn't too big of a thing for me to upload it, but it's still very annoying that I can't get it on YouTube. (And upload pics on Photobucket for that matter.)
I can't really see a 0:40 checkpoint happening, but 1:17 for example seems doable if the tubes are done well, which definitely didn't happen in this vid. I was just thankful that I didn't get stuck in the like usual. And I'm still annoyed by the fact that I used a mid checkpoint due to the game not changing the camera position like always resulting in my death. Oh well..
I haven't seen the 1:11 run yet, but I'm gonna do that now.
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pretty good run, but man you definitely lost up to 5 seconds on the tubes.. maybe even more. The ending was really cool, you completely skipped the chaos and the spring! that definitely saved a ton of time, sometimes I would skip the spring by luck but nowhere near as fast as you did.
I played some SA2B last night but I am really out of practice.. as if all my precision is gone or something :( I will try some FC later.
you're really close to the M5 record too which is cool, I am guessing under 2:40 will be easy for you. You really are the master of the "Final" levels!
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Thanks, but 5 second sure is a lot. Watched the vid again and I still can't really see where these 5 seconds come from. I guess I must be underestimating the getting stuck on a tube ones <_<
I also noticed that skipping the spring is possible by luck, but after only a few tries I was able to do it easily in normal mode. (Much harder in Mission 5 because it seems like the tube's gravity got stronger and you usually can't make it to the platform.)
Don't worry about getting out of practice, that always happens. It should take you more than 1 day to get fully back in. But yeah, I'll leave my time at this, as I will wait and see how you do on the stage. I know you usually do without checkpoint, but I can tell you that it will get hella frustrating, so don't hold back on using one or two.
Yeah, sub2:40 shouldn't be too difficult, as the first part of the tubes got seemingly easier. In exchange, the last part became much more difficult. -__-
You really are the master of the "Final" levels!
Thank you!! :)
EDIT: I guess you were right about the loss of 5 seconds or more. I just played Mission 5 again, and without much difference aside from better tubes, I was able to lower my M5 time to 2:35.02.
Awesome! ^_^
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You're making me become afraid of you, what kind of food are you eating? This time is just awesome, Paragod is right, you're the Finals master! Good luck on the tubes o/
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You're making me become afraid of you, what kind of food are you eating?
I could ask you the same, Mr. Brian "second place on SA2 times and 1st in Mission 2 times" Pso!!
Thanks btw ;)
A friend uploaded it for me, but it's finally up... d<_<
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXcKuX8u0Ao
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I could ask you the same, Mr. Brian "second place on SA2 times and 1st in Mission 2 times" Pso!!
Thanks btw ;)
A friend uploaded it for me, but it's finally up... d<_<
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXcKuX8u0Ao
Thx too :D. Aweesome video, I've already downloaded it when you first put it here, a lot of time can be saved in the tubes, and a 40 sec first check is possible.
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Thanks. After watching the vid a few times, I can see checkpoint 0:40 being possible as well. I really do see a lot of potential correction, mostly coming from the tubes.
i'm also experimenting on a new route between checkpoint 4 and 6, skipping the 5th one. I'll see ow it works out.
Also thanks for the comment on YT, too bad I'm only average on levels that don't start with "Final". <_< lol
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Thanks. After watching the vid a few times, I can see checkpoint 0:40 being possible as well. I really do see a lot of potential correction, mostly coming from the tubes.
i'm also experimenting on a new route between checkpoint 4 and 6, skipping the 5th one. I'll see ow it works out.
Also thanks for the comment on YT, too bad I'm only average on levels that don't start with "Final". <_< lol
Yeah 40 is possible, I'm waiting for this new route.
You're not average, you're only out of pratice, if you keep playing any stage you'll be as good as you're in the Finals.
I'm uploading a video for Son1cgu1tar and Paragod to help them in Metal Harbor, it shows a new shortcut which I was thinking to do a long time ago, it's a loop skip. It's better this way, Son1cgu1tar seems to have control over my head, he do everything I think to do in this stage xD.
Edit: I don't know if it's youtube or my connection is fucking me up, I could upload the video but youtube is still saving my changes, so it doesn't have keywords, but here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-bcWfkJ6Gs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-bcWfkJ6Gs)
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2:35 on mission 5 is plain awesome! I can't believe I am 19 seconds worse than you.. I watched F-Man's run again, if you could get tubes like him you'd of had sub 2:25..plus there's improvements not related to the tubes, so who knows how far this will go.. you are the sole reason 8 seconds was cut off of final rush, I bet you can help cut off more than 8 on this one! With a few new tricks and a good run we will probably see at least sub 2:20.. but I need to start actually playing instead of messing around..this one is not going to be as fun as final rush though :(
I will probably need a checkpoint, but no more than two. Maybe one if I do great on the tubes, but I almost always need one for trying to hit that damn final spring. I always land on the tube high up or die!
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Really nice shortcut, Brian!! I didn't think it would be possible when you're nowhere near the max speed. I'll try that out now to see how it works.
Very strange thing happened to me today when I was playing Metal Harbor. I was messing around in the area with the first 4 rings, and fell off to the right. Not too much there, I was expecting to die as usual and start the level over. But then, as I reached the surface of water, I was able to walk on the water for like half a second, and then Sonic fell into it as usual and died. Very strange, I'll see if I can discover something there. Imagine walking on water the whole time as you make your way to the goal ring (I know that won't happen...). Then again, I'm not really sure I want to experiment there too much knowing that if I do find something there, I wouldn't be able to hold myself back from telling anyone, and that would completely ruin Metal Harbor's competition...
I'll just leave it at this post hoping nothing ever gets discovered in this case.
Yes, Paragod, I was quite amazed when I took a look at the clock and it showed me a 2:35. I was expecting a 2:38 run, but this was insane. I know it wasn't even near a perfect run, but the tubes did do a good job that time.
Don't worry about being 19 seconds behind, after only a few tries you'll catch up quite quickly. I even think you might not have really tried for that one, actually XD
I'm definitely not the sole reason for the cut of 8 seconds. You greatly helped as well. Don't believe me? Just reread all the posts in here ^_^
You even knew your 2:15 run was imperfect! Ahh, good times, I'll never forget your words: "This is the Final Final Rush video!"
I also know it won't be as fun as it was on Final Rush, our little competition, but maybe we can get close? Whatever, I'll just wait for you to get into the game and the level again, and then we'll see how things work out. Meanwhile I'll just see if I can find a new cut in Final Chase.
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Well I finally got into playing again tonight, and I am starting to get decent again! I played about 25 minutes of final chase and have some useful notes.
First a 40 first check is possible, cause I got a 40.5, which was not perfect. It can probably go to 39! I had a run where I got a 1:18 mid check, which was with a sucky 42 first check. The tubes went pretty well, but not quite perfect. I hit the last chaos at 2:13 which is the same speed as your 2:28 run, but I just cannot skip the second to last spring like you. Plus I got stuck on the gravity tube trying to hit the last spring. Of course :P
For checkpoint abuse, I don't know if you figured this out or not yet but the ONLY checks that are a good idea to restart at is the 0:40 check(cause of the tubes) and the 1:34 check. You can lightdash the chain of rings from the 1:34 check to instantly get up to speed, compared to restarting at the final check(2:06?) you lose about half a second or more cause you have to spindash up to speed. Kinda like the 1:20 check in FR, that one really wasted time. The ground you cover from 1:34 to 2:06 is easy to do every time anyway, so there's no reason to waste time with the 2:06 check.
anyway this won't be as bad as I thought, the biggest obstacle stopping me from beating you is skipping the second to last spring....and...actually hitting the last spring. heh :P I always get it the other way around and screw everything up :(
I'm definitely not the sole reason for the cut of 8 seconds. You greatly helped as well. Don't believe me? Just reread all the posts in here ^_^
You even knew your 2:15 run was imperfect! Ahh, good times, I'll never forget your words: "This is the Final Final Rush video!"
you're still the sole reason.. had you not ever wanted to compete in the level, the record would still be sitting at 2:15. We both contributed, but you were the motivation to play.
I will be looking for new cuts too, it is guaranteed we will find at least a few..
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I played like 15 mins of Final Chase right now and got rewarded.
40.57 mid check
1:16:xx (not restarted, but I know it must have been high)
2:03.79 last check
The tubes were exceptionally nice to me in this run, I never got stuck and only lost about one second. Hit the last AC at a high 2:10. The first spring skip didn't go that well, might have lost half a second, but on the other hand, I instantly hit the last spring when I homing attacked the tube (which I didn't even hit, coincidentaly), all resulting in a new awesome time of 2:25.30 !!
I'm also experimenting on the following: When you hit a tube with full speed, you usually get sent flying in a direction. Now, I have sometimes been thrown up the distance of a complete tube, so if I can get this to work, the very first two tubes will save another full second.
And the new route I was talking about....forget it, it doesn't work..
You are right about the issue of losing time at the 2:05 check but I might have figured a way to skip the platform with the 1:36 checkpoint, so yeah.. >_<
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Now that is the kind improvement FC needed! It sounds great.. very well done master final! this one will be really tough to beat, even if I master the spring skip. Will we see a video?
Yeah I have at times been shot all the way up a tube if I homing attacked it just right, though it is rare and usually does not work out right. to me it seems too random to use as a strategy.. but we can try it if you think it can work.
You are right about the issue of losing time at the 2:05 check but I might have figured a way to skip the platform with the 1:36 checkpoint, so yeah.. >_<
oh.. well that sucks, but until you figure that out it is a good thing to keep in mind.
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Will we see a video?
Unfortunately not, as I didn't expect an good run when only turning it on "for fun". >_<
A tip for the spring skip: if you're on the side of the camera when jumping off the tube, you're most probably not going to make it, so try to be on the other side of the camera (the one nearer to the platform)
Just hope you get lucky with not getting stuck on the tube, and after killing the AC and homing attacking the tube, you'll go around it 1.5 times before jumping off.
Else I'll do an example video if you're really having trouble.
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Unfortunately not, as I didn't expect an good run when only turning it on "for fun". >_<
ha..of course.. you always get the good run when you are not even trying. :P not a huge loss though, since we will manage to take it lower soon enough.
I am having trouble, but I would think your 2:28 video is enough, because it shows me how you do it. I will follow your advice and see how it goes.
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Both of you make me want to play Final Chase only to see if I could get in this rush for the perfection :D, but I'll only play with you when I finish some other business with Metal Harbor, I have a new beginning route that can save some tenths, making me believe a sub 23 in mission 3 is possible ;D. Good luck with Final Chase.
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True... School is starting to bug me again (and probably won't stop for the next 1.5-2 months), but whenever I get the time I'll play SA2, and if I can manage to get some 2:25 runs consistently, I'll definitely do a vid. I played a little this morning, and nothing worthwhile came out.. <_<
As for you, Brian, even though I'm not that good at Metal Harbor I can see that this stage is pretty near maxing, so not only will it be hard to find new cuts, but they also won't save you that much time. I sincerely hope you can finish your goal there and join us in the Final Chase one, which has most probably more potential than Final Rush. Maybe even the time will come when we find out the secret behind these tubes..
And 3 people are always better than 2 ;)
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I gave a shot at Final Chase today and got 2:34, to me it's an awesome time, since it beats my previous one by 9 secs. About Metal Harbor, my new route works but it saves no more than 1 tenth and is very very very difficult to do :/, but it's ok.
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I've got 2 new records!!! I've got my friend's camera yesterday and put all of my effort in taping good runs, and I did it, I taped 3 runs my 2 mission 3 records and a Green Hill run 'cause I really like this stage, and I've taped another thing, a very fast way to get 99 lives, it's the same method SM used but I've found a way to die a lot faster, without needing to wait for the beetle to attack you, it takes no more than a minute to do. See yall o/
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Awesome new times, Brian! I guess sub1 is possible on Radical Highway.
Also your first try at FC with 2:34 is really good as well, you could easily go sub2:30 if you wanted.
I'm not sure if we have the same way to do the 99 lives trick, but I pretty much get 99 lives in 35 seconds or so..
And you're not the only one with a record :D
Even though I've got some small headache, I was able to beat F-Man's m3 record in FC after almost 4 hours of straight playing. New record is: 2:36.20
I must say that it was really really hard to beat the last tube, and also really hard to skip the last pull thing and directly jump to the platform...
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Thx Final, yeah I think it's possible, but surely it's a very hard task. Congrats!!! That last tube is really tough, I always get a hit in it :/
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Yeah, I also took one hit. It's almost impossible without.
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Yeah! My new vids are up :D, they're at the videos page, tell me what both of you think of them. I won't be able to play with you :(, my bro got the GC back, I'll only be able to get it again in some weeks, but I'm happy with what I did in only one morning.
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those are all great new times Brian!
do you have any on video? I am most interested in how you did radical highway mission 5.
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No, none of them were taped :/ but I'll get my friend's cam this week and I'll tape them, I'm sure I can beat the RH mission 1 and 5 times, but I'm not so sure if I can do the mission 5 without checks due to my ending trick, which is a little hard to do, but mission 1 is easy, CG is very hard too, I'll do my best to get a no checks speedrun, but my route has some hard little touchups xD. After I tape them my next goal is CG mission 5. See ya o/
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For RH5 are you talking about doing a perfect jump and homing attack to the spring, so you don't have to waste 2-3 seconds breaking the boxes? I could never get that right in a run, I figured 1:45 is possible with it. That is why I was most interested in the RH5 video to see if you did that or not.
Sounds good, hope you get some videos of your upcoming great times! 1:43 on RH1 would be cool.
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No, that's not the case, but this would be cool, I do a spindash jump from the beginning of the loop and fall in the floor where the the boxes are or directly in the horizontal bar and from there I just swing to the top, but it's very hard to do in the first try, expecially due to the force that makes you go up the loops in the game, it keeps trying to push me up :/
Well... that's it, but mission 1 will be easy to beat and tape, I'll get my friend's camera today and I'll start to tape today too, maybe tomorrow I'll get this ^_~
See ya o/
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sounds great, hope you can do it!
1:43 really does need to happen!
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New record!!! With video!!! But with 2 checks :(
Upload soon
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Congrats man! You beat me by a whole second :o
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crazy man... I have no idea how you can take it so low with 2 checks, but the lower the better! I guess 1:42 can be done?
i wanna see the video real bad!
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100 posts :D! I haven't noticed.
Thanks dudes ^_^
I have exciting news! Before the news an explanation: Unfortunately RH has 2 checks where you don't lose even a tenth of second, the first and the second checks, the last one makes you lose a lot of time, even with the steer in front of you, I've used it, and the second check too, what make me want to beat the mission 3 record with a checkpoint free run.
Now, to the news, this record was beaten, the camera's battery was low then I've taped the 1:43 run with checks, then it turned off, after this I beat it, I won't tell you what was my time 'cause I could stay with the camera one more day, so tomorrow I'll try to tape again, if I beat it, I'll upload it instead of the 1:43 run, but if not, then I'll upload this one until I tape a better run :/.
See yall o/
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Look at the news page! With the middle check :/
The video will be uploaded today, after I get out of my job :D
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are you kidding me?!? 1:41??? you better upload the video the instant you walk through your front door! What an incredible time! If you did not have a reputable name I would say you cheated to get that time!
You said the middle check wastes no time, right? of course either way it does not really matter, you are far from 1:40 anyway.
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Hahahaha, I'll upload it today, then I'll put the link here. I don't have a great reputation as you and jawzun, yoshifan, SM and so many other awesome players have, but I'm happy for being known as a trusted person :), and this reminds me to say thank you for believe me when I first got the Green Forest record :D
Yeah, the first and the middle checks wastes "no time" 'cause you can do a homing attack to get more speed on the descent, then you'll match the time you would have if you haven't used it. It's too hard to talk about a 1:40 run now, but I'll work to build a way to do this ^_~
See you \o/
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Hahahaha, I'll upload it today, then I'll put the link here. I don't have a great reputation as you and jawzun, yoshifan...
What? Me? reputation?
I was probably a good player in SA2, but you're being awesome (the best I'd say) lately ;)
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Hahahaha, I'll upload it today, then I'll put the link here. I don't have a great reputation as you and jawzun, yoshifan, SM and so many other awesome players have, but I'm happy for being known as a trusted person :), and this reminds me to say thank you for believe me when I first got the Green Forest record :D
you're very welcome, I always found it easy to believe you even before you showed the pictures of your 1:28 green forest record. Just looking at your stats and reading the comments you wrote I had that certain feeling that this guy was for real, and then you turned out to be probably the best thing that has ever happened to SA2B in a long time, with the excellent potential to be the best in a lot of things just like I told you a long time ago! Course some idiot instantly made a topic saying your 1:28 is completely fake, but forget him, he just has sucky judgment of some people and doesn't even give them a chance before throwing accusations. As for reputation I will say you are up there with the best already. you have exceptional skill, excellent shortcuts and tricks, trustworthy.. that is more than enough reason!
I totally agree with Jawzun that you are the very best player for fast times in SA2B at the moment, you have taken down many of my tough sonic records, but the most important reason is.. you also manage to take down records on the shooting stages and the hunting stages! Such skill at all 3(I was only good at 1) definitely makes you the best right now. yoshifan may have more records than you, but I can tell your potential skill is twice as much as his or even more.
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he just has sucky judgment of some people
Thats called trolling. You're completely f*cked if you give them the reaction they want.
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Hmm, coming back from some busy weeks only to find out that there's been lots of posts and some records have been literally smashed!
Amazing job, Brian!!!!
You're definitely a top player and the best thing to happen to SA2 since sliced bread.
Can't wait for the vid, especially since my interest in RH seems to be growing.
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Brother, that video is amazing!!! your skills are incredibles!!! Congratulations
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Guys... I can't convert to words what I felt reading what you guys wrote, I'm so happy to have found all of you here on TSC, it's so amazing to have friends like you all, why we need to live so far away from the others :/.
Jawzun, you have a great reputation, you're one of the best players of this whole site, you're the master of SADX, and owns in SSBM :D, so never think of you like a normal player, 'cause you all are awesome, and we all together are even better, see what PoT and Paragod did on Final Rush, look back in the time and see what you and me did with Green Forest mission 1 and 3.
Now to the good news, the mission 1 and 5 are up, I've uploaded a Green Hill run too but it's not so important(I haven't got sub 25 :P), and a check abused Crazy Gadget mission 3 run only to show some little touchups.
Hope you like them :)
See ya'll \o/
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Wow Brian. Truly amazing. Whenever i see your records pop up on the chat i am like.. WOW.. Very talented player. You never know one day, you could be in the top 5. I had a look at SA2B when i first got to the site but, instantly, from looking at the ammount of players, the records, and the times i already had on the game, i knew i wouldn't have a chance at all. keep up the good work! Keep smashing records!
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Thanks Werey :), you're awesome on SU, and you're a very fun guy xD.
Guys, I've never screamed when I've beat a record, but when I've seen the counter stopped at 50:29 I started to scream "OMG I can't believe!!! I can't believe!!!" xD. Great time, expecially 'cause I've used the second check once. I'll try to tape it whenever I can get a camera again.
See ya'll \o/
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What? you abused a check? :o
Then sub 50 is more than possible ;)
gonna try get it?
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I'll try it but I don't think it'll be easy, in this run I got to the check in 35.2x sec, it's my best second check ever, then I died but I wasn't trying to beat the record, so I used the check, when I took control of sonic again I did a homing attack then charged a spindash and started the decent, I hitted the springs at low 41, but the main cause that made this run be so fast was my ending, my scream was because of this more than anything else xD, my ending was too fast, since I simply can't do the ending right with blasest's strat, I tried with my old one, from my 51:47 run, but this time I did it perfectly.
I don't know when I'll get a camera again but be sure I'll at least beat your time in video, 'cause after this run I tried again and got 50:40.
One more thing, I've discovered 2 new little shortcuts on Green Forest: the first one is use the gravity control in the first loop skip instead of just do a homing attack, and the second one is in the beginning of the part where you go up the tree, when you hit the first spring, try to get the light dash in the middle of the way, stay holding the "B" button down and charge a spindash, now for the hard part, with the spindash charged aim to the wall in front of you and do a superbounce then immediately when you see the spring do a homing attack on it,if you done it fast and right you'll save at least half of a second.
Obviously it's hard to do in a great run, where you'll probaly be nervous at this point of the stage, but with this I got 1:30:99 in GC, could be lower if I don't screwed up my ending and used the third and the last checks :P
See ya'll dudes ;)
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Amazing records, Brian! I totally didn't expect that Radical Highway would go so low. Really liked your strategy after the last checkpoint. You're showing so much skill and creativity lately, especially in the Sonic/Shadow levels.
I agree with Jawzun; there's a great chance that you're the best at this game lately. And since you're a good guy, I wouldn't mind seeing you at the top of the rankings - you would definitely deserve it. I'll keep playing, though, and keep it competitive for as long as I can.
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Thanks yoshi, it's good to see you posting here :D. I'll do my best to get as far as I can, I know how good you are, so I know it'll not be easy to get close or surpass you. If I could play at least 2 days per week, I would get a lot of new times, even if they are not so much better, especially the hunting missions :P
Wow!!! You have beaten the records that I really want to see in video, the mission 3 time is an incredible record! You recorded them right? I'll pray to your answer be "YES!"
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Unfortunately, no - I'm having problems with my DVD recorder, as I can't get it to display on my TV anymore. Might have to get a new recorder, but I hope not. But yeah, once this is resolved, I want to record a CW3 run at least.
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Oh... :( ok, I hope you get a new recorder soon, I really want to see a mission 3 video :D
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Hmm why is it that I only recently noticed how awesome Crazy Gadget really is? Sub1:50 shouldn't be hard at all, and from then, it's just about how good I can copy Paragod's vid (need to find that again) until I discover some own little tricks.
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Hey Pot, what mid-check did you have again on your 2:25 Final chase WR? yoshifan just had a 1:14 and got 2:28!
maybe he will give you some competition :)
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Yeah, I just saw his 2:28, and IIRC, my mid-check time was 1:16.
I've never had a run that felt even close to perfect in this part of the level, and he said himself that the first half was really intense. I got the 1:16 check with a high 0:39 first check, so it would be highly interesting what his first check time was.
Not too sure if he's gonna give me some competition because at least to me it just seems as if he is only improving on his current records. We'll see. I wouldn't be really surprised if he took the record though.
That being said, I haven't heard much of you lately, Paragod. Wassup?
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Yeah, my goal was to get a nice check-free run, and I think I'll stop here with 2:28. The video is up now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImZYpTBmQw8
I also passed the first check at high 0:39. The 1:14 second check could still be a bit better, but my second best effort there is 1:18, so I'm very satisfied with that. I think most of my time lost was at the end: the tube before the rocket was average, and I used the rocket to be safe. (Actually, I haven't gotten any rocket-skipping method to work decently... PoT, how often do you get your ending strategy to work?)
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Very nice run. I see you use a quite different route than me, which seems to be every slightly faster than mine.
You lost a lot of time in the end. The spring and rocket skip you give you like a 4+ seconds advantage. You really should have use the last check to get a better time in the end. Definitely the best checkpointfree FC run I've seen, by far.
I can get the spring skip down almost every second try, and the rocket spring works decently every 5th time. Though in my 2:25 run, the rocket spring was perfect, I didn't even touch the last tube, so yeah..
Potentially, there's still a lot of time to be saved in this stage.
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Hi, long time no see guys, your beginning strategy is great yoshifan, but surely you lost so many seconds on the end, I liked your ending :D I never though it was possible to fall right on the goal rings from there.
Man your Cosmic wall videos are great! That final strategy on the mission 3 was amazing, such a little thing that no one ever noticed xD, and I still don't know how to get out of the ceiling :/
PoT, you have another player on the competition for the final chase record now, keep the great job guys.
See you all soon o/
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I can see sub 2:20 FC.. as insane as it may be :P Probably won't happen, but who knows if somebody sparks up some competition ;)
Brian, just wanted to say you did a great job on getting into the top 10 overall rankings for SA2B! As well as getting into the 80% red zone overall. Are you going to go for the championship? you're definitely the time attack champion by far, but doing rings scores and bosses will be tough.
That being said, I haven't heard much of you lately, Paragod. Wassup?
heya fr7...not a whole lot going on, been doing some real life stuff for once, I keep trying to get good at SA2B but I just can't stand the game much anymore, all I do is get frustrated at my stupid mistakes, I think the days of me playing and playing til I get a crazy time are done. At least we got Brian to take my place :P yes, he will eventually even get Green Hill and City Escape...,well probably...maybe not?..probably...most likely.
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Yeah, you're not crazy, I can see it too when looking at yoshifan's and my vid. It can even be done with checkpoints, as long as it's the 0:39 or the 1:xx (man, forgot the time I had there <_< - the one where there's a light dash path right after, so by pressing B you don't lose much time at all).
I haven't really followed Brian's progress in SA2, but now that I took a look at his profile, I can only say that he did in fact a great job. He might be much higher if it wasn't for him not having that much time to play due to his work, but it's also good to hear that he manages to do both.
As for you Paragod, I sincerely hope you find your motivation and feel for this game again. I also had that point in my life where I lost pretty much all desire for gaming and just sucked at every game I touched. I don't know how or why that happened, nor how it went away, but I'm glad it did.
Getting frustrated at mistakes is perfectly normal, though if it happens often to me, I just take a break for said game for like a few days/weeks and see how stuff works out when I start to play again.
Also, someone taking City Escape from you? By all damned means, I, for my life, just can't imagine that.
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Brian, just wanted to say you did a great job on getting into the top 10 overall rankings for SA2B! As well as getting into the 80% red zone overall. Are you going to go for the championship? you're definitely the time attack champion by far, but doing rings scores and bosses will be tough.
That being said, I haven't heard much of you lately, Paragod. Wassup?
heya fr7...not a whole lot going on, been doing some real life stuff for once, I keep trying to get good at SA2B but I just can't stand the game much anymore, all I do is get frustrated at my stupid mistakes, I think the days of me playing and playing til I get a crazy time are done. At least we got Brian to take my place :P yes, he will eventually even get Green Hill and City Escape...,well probably...maybe not?..probably...most likely.
Thanks Paragod :D. Yeah, some rings attacks will be really tough, Sky rail was hell to do xD but I'll do my best to get the most RAs as possible, and I know how to get the CG's mission 5 RA record, but it's with a crazy strategy :). I won't say I'll go for the championship, but I'll get as far as my ability can get me, if I get the championship... great!!!
Don't feel like if your ability has gone, this sometimes happens, when you simply don't stay 1 hour playing something, but you'll get it again later :D, but I don't even think of getting records, they're awesome!!!
I haven't really followed Brian's progress in SA2, but now that I took a look at his profile, I can only say that he did in fact a great job. He might be much higher if it wasn't for him not having that much time to play due to his work, but it's also good to hear that he manages to do both.
Thanks Final, you're an awesome player, you'll get high on the rankings if you want to, your CG mission 1 time is great!!! You'll get a lot of the records of sonic and shadow when you stay playing these stages :D, you're great at finding new strats, and use them xD.
See you guys later o/
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1:45 on CG.. you're getting there!
I really wish I had taped my 1:39, cause I used a new trick which saves about a second which is how I got sub 1:40, plus the run was so nice.. pretty much flawless, but 1:38 could happen with perfection, or maybe even 1:37 if somebody plays the level as much as I played CE. Or maybe Brian will find a new trick and easily get a 1:37 with 1:34 being possible. That is completely probable :P
The new trick I used(you may already do so) is once I spindash-jump-bounce onto the rail at about 26 seconds game time, I jump off the rail and do a bounce ball, and time the homing attack just right and it puts you RIGHT in front of the gravity lever so you can instantly hit B, saving a lot of time compared to how I did it in my 1:41 run.
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That's what I do in the m3 video, I though about this when I first saw your 1:41 run, it saves so much time :).
PoT is really loving CG, he'll be the one who will take your record Paragod :D
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I think it's worth looking into Final Rush again, now that it's known possible to get gravity control from any vertical rail frame in the level.
The new location (from the no-A run) starts the huge bounce earlier, and takes it further in. I would imagine it's possible to start the bounce by 12 seconds, which would be on pace for a 1:09 at the blue walkway under the 5-5-10-5-5 boxes. How does this compare to what you're getting normally? Throw in the fact that there was necessarily no A pressing involved in that bounce--where might the optimal location for a homing attack be to potentially make it a timesaver at last?
Even if it only ends up being about 1 second, I'd be very surprised if gravity control bounces fail to cut off any time anywhere in FR.
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Thanks Brian, you're right, I love this stage. Even if it frustrates me a lot because sometimes (very often actually) the tubes that suck you in just take half a second longer. I'm not sure why this happens, it probably depends on you position after you've broken the shield.
About your new "cut" Paragod, I was actually doing that the whole time, but it's really difficult to time it right. And the camera not being the greatest doesn't help it too much.
I've also found a new cut, or at least one you haven't used in your 1:41 run. Pretty difficult to explain, I'll just do a quick vid of it later today.
In my 1:45 run, I did pretty much everything you do in your 1:41 run, so I guess it's all about practice now. I've also found quite a few ways of breaking out of the level, but none of them have been of any use.
SM, to be honest, I can't pull your new trick off. The camera gives me such huge problems that I had to give up after 50 lives have been lost. I'll get into it again later, because there's the possibility of it saving some time. I know the best check time at check 5 is 1:20.1 by Paragod, so a landing at 1:09 would have some impact I would guess. I'll see how fast you can cross the space between your landing point and the 5th check.
--> EDIT: Alright, I tried how fast I can cross the distance between SM's landing point and the 5th check. My fastest time was around 13 seconds, so landing at 1:09 and hitting the check at 1:22 would actually result in a loss of time.
But SM, have you tried using that jump at the other side of the big building that has the invisible wall? You're quite a bit higher now, so you might go over the invisible wall or to the right of it.
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Going around the other side of the tower is still no good from this launching point. Doing it this way has the camera facing the wrong way after a while, so it can be harder to see where you're going, but it also means I get to see the tower behind me as I go by, and see clearly that I'm nowhere close to the bottom at time of death. It's definitely a vertical kill plane at the edge of that magenta zone on the map, and clearly getting there any higher isn't tenable at all, so no worries about me submitting a 1:00 out of nowhere.
On the other hand, I was able to start the bounce at a mid-10, and touch down prior to 1:08. Additionally, with the help of a homing attack I was able to maneuver my landing point to be right smack on the vertical rail at the right end of that platform.
However this works out, it's going to be ridiculously close in time. Imagine if it turns out to be a choice between "56.5 seconds the ridiculously hard way" or "57 seconds the really easy way".
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Well, it wouldn't be too hard of a choice. People who go for a good time take the 57 seconds that are easy, and people who go for the record take the hard way.
I still wasn't able to pull it off, the camera always changes right after my jump or when I'm about to pass the big building...
Also, Paragod, this was the shortcut I meant. From 0:03 on, that jump right to the ring line <_<
Also, o_O @ 2:28 FC5 from yoshi!
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Thanks, I'm very happy with the FC5 time. I think mission 5 has almost as much potential as mission 1 overall, but some parts are trickier, so it definitely was great to beat my mission 1 time. As for the m5 run, the part between checks 1 and 2 can be improved, but I had a better ending this time. I went for the rocket skip because taking the rocket is much slower in mission 5.
Also, good luck with Crazy Gadget, looks like you're getting pretty close there.
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Great work guys. I really came here to find out about this Glitch or some sort i used to do all the time. I mentioned it in IRC but i didnt get any sort of response. So i used to play city escape alot, especially mission 3, and since the game was a Copy type game, i couldnt get past green forest and get the bounce or the Mystic Melody. So When i was running down the building, i would jump off and push to the right side, and somehow, i would push through the wall and get to the chao. Can anyone explain this?
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yoshi that new 2:28 was a freaking crazy, awesome, insanely good run. Beating F-Man by 12 seconds and FR7 by 7! and my favorite part, you did it skillfully with no checks! wow! FR7 finally has some FC competition, if he's up to it, since alotta people don't care about mission 5 as much.
you are down to CG 1:43 and falling! keep on going.. the sub 1:40 barrier and my gold trophy are waiting for you!
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True, even though FC5 has quite some differences to m1, none of them really affect the speedrunning too much. I knew my 2:35 wasn't that good, but beating it by 7 seconds sure is a big deal.
Great work guys. I really came here to find out about this Glitch or some sort i used to do all the time. I mentioned it in IRC but i didnt get any sort of response. So i used to play city escape alot, especially mission 3, and since the game was a Copy type game, i couldnt get past green forest and get the bounce or the Mystic Melody. So When i was running down the building, i would jump off and push to the right side, and somehow, i would push through the wall and get to the chao. Can anyone explain this?
Yeah, I know about that. I haven't been able to pull it off, but apparently the invisible wall to the right of the loop has a small whole where you can fall through. As I said, I wasn't able to do it, maybe because I'm playing the GC version? No idea... But that trick is used for speedrunning m3.
I'll try to see if I can bring CG1 and FC5 lower (I'm sure I can), but I'll really soon (4-5 days) be on a vacation for a month or so, so yeah.. I hope I'll quickly into SA2 again after that month.
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it was on the DC and it happened years ago. Im not talking about the trick ON the loop. Im tslking as you FALL DOWN the building, you can skip to the side and hit the chao
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Thanks, I'm very happy with the FC5 time.
Just seen this. Great run.
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Excellent run yoshifan :D, I hope you guys get this stage down to sub 2:25.
You'll surpass me in CG soon FR7, but I'll do my best to beat you back :), now you have 2 competitions to win.
Also werey, this glitch you talked about seems great! Maybe it can be used to beat the current record for mission 3, and talking about your copy of SA2, if you put the chars to talk in japanese, you can play the game normally.
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What do you mean by Normally?
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I mean: like if the game is on it's normal state(no crashing)
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Tbh, I just couldn't concentrate on Crazy Gadget while still having Final Chase in my mind, so I decided to give it a try today.
I was practicing a bit to get into the level again, and then on life #12 I just had this feeling like THIS was gonna be my run even though I was still on the first rail (xD). And out of nowhere, it happened. No checkpoints, all tubes did a good to perfect job, and the last spring skip also worked quite well.
Checkpoints were: mid 0:40, probably high 1:14 (!). I didn't hit the last check, I jumped right before it.
Who would have thought..? I certainly wouldn't.
Now let's see what I can get out of CC.
On a side note: Getting sub2:00 on m5 CE is really hard for me <_<
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there's nothing more I can say to congratulate you more than I have in the past, and honestly I don't really need to.. you already know how good you are!
so lets keep it simple.. good job, great record(28 seconds faster than me!)
you are really close to your M1 time, who would of guessed that was possible back when the record gap was 2:31/2:40
you're going to work on cannon's core now? or do you mean CG?
and yeah CE M5 is really hard compared to the first mission, for me sub 1:40 was too hard so I left it alone. read my new M5 comment and you'll see what I mean. Sub 2 is a fine goal there though. Did you notice how many people have 1:55? its kinda odd, so many 1:55's and no 54's or as many 57's and stuff.
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Ah, yes, I meant CG obviously.. <_<
Thanks, Paragod! Even though M5 is much harder than M1, the speedrun route hasn't changed by much, and the tubes seem to be a lot more forgiving than in M1...
I'm sure I'll get sub2 soon in M5CE, but I guess I'll have to abuse the last checkpoint there.
I've read your new comment on you time, and 1:42 is almost as amazing as the 1:36 on M1.
I've also recently watched your 1:36 run again and every time I watch it it amazes me more, it's just so damn perfect.
But what am I telling you, you know that already. Nobody's even come close to your time, even though CE has some really good check abuse possibilities.
Btw have you seen Brian's new FRM2 vid? It's really good!
I also need to try myself at M3 and 5 of FR, but I'm not sure if I have enough motivation to drive me.. -__-
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oh, that sounds more fun cause cannon's core sucks. Go for the great sub 1:40 barrier!
Can you explain what you mean by checkpoint possibilities on CE? As far as I can tell all of them waste time, probably too much to make up for the very few flaws my run had.
I haven't seen Brian's video yet but I saw the time and I would expect nothing less from master Brian. I can see myself getting sub-40(my best time is actually something like 40.0x, never submitted it) but I doubt I could take it all the way down to 39.4 without some new route alterations. I wonder why he hasn't taken metal harbor M2, it should be easy if he can take M3 all the way down to 23.29 with the insane new beginning.
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I'm going for the sub1:40 barrier, but I still need to improve a lot.
What I meant with check abuse possibilities is that CE has the first and last check in a place where you, when being restored from a death, only need a sommersault in order to be back on track with full speed seeing as there are speed pads right in front of you. You don't lose nearly as much time as you would if you had to charge a spindash afterwards for example.
And Jawzun, the second best on CE is still 8 seconds (!) away from you, which is quite a lot, especially as SA2 is the most played game here and CE is the most played level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7X0rXI17Ik
^That's the vid. Idk why, but for some reason this route seems to be quite easy. I'll be giving it a try later today.
Btw, I just finished school (and that with much better grades than I had expected), and now I've got holidays and then I'll be working for a year. Working = no homework or studying = much more time to play ^_^
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goodluck :) I got mine relatively effortlessly, it just kind of popped up after an hour or so on a great run once I discovered that great time saver I talked about earlier. if you're curious, I would say I spent a grand total of 15-20 hours on crazy gadget (way less than CE..)
well, the first check on CE yeah you can roll and probably only lose about a tenth, but the last check you have to walk for a while before you can roll, so you still lose half a second there. Plus beating my run with checks is stupid, I did my checkpoint-free run on purpose, and therefore took me many restarts. I think anybody that beats me should considerate and skillful enough to do the same, y'know?
Great video, he pretty much used my route(easier than yoshi's) with a slight difference near the beginning.
that is cool to hear that you did exceptionally well, how good of a job are you getting? are you done with school for good or do you still have a year or two to go?
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Ok, so i mentioned this to TSC before and nothing was made of it. I asked PoT if he could experiment and he did. The outcome was great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu3azxXQsFQ Going through the second key door in pyramid cave! So this should help the TA of the level if you can perform it in your first or second shot. It can save quite alot of time.
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That was just awesome! But I think, I'll never be able to do that in my first try xD
Edit: Man! Paragod is very fast :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU8dB77iIR0
Uploaded it myself now. Awesomeness right there guys, we are once again taking a level to the next level (lol, pun <_<)
It's getting easier and easier to do for me, and if it wasn't for Paragod, I'd have all the records by the end of the week probably :D
Oh well, he deserves it much more than I do anyway, seeing as he was 15 seconds faster to begin with.
I timed it and it comes out this checkpoint saves pretty much 20 seconds of time!
Oh and I noticed I didn't answer two of Para's questions, so:
how good of a job are you getting?
A really awesome job I can assure you. For someone at my age, the salary is very high, though I do have to work 8.4 hours a day, which is really tiring at the end.
are you done with school for good or do you still have a year or two to go?
For now, I'm done. But I might go study something like marketing or PR management next year, you never know.
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Wow. I see paragod has got a nice new time :o
It should be able to go a lil lower i should hope.
Great Job.
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finally my first record in SA2B! hehehe can be beaten! but it will be a great contest!
I spent over 2 hours to get that record! good for what I remember my, I have spent more than 400 lives! Started it was 2:30am until 4:20am! when it was around 4:35am, I was able to dominate the stage and finally make that time! well, I'm happy about that, but I believe that this can be beaten.
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a news report about this new "GLITCH"! everyone who watched the video, saw that the glitch is done in the "left side"! well I tried to do the "right side" and did it! good is hard to do the "right side", but when it could run it becomes a little easier! I tried and succeeded, but I recommend everyone reading this to do the "left side"!"the right side" does not guarantee 100%! however, who could run it the "RIGHT SIDE" PLEASE POST
EDIT: i'll try do a video about this! :D
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Thats exactly what i did the first time i ever did it. Also i seem to find the left side is way easier because of the camera angle being ok. Nice found though :)
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Oh and I noticed I didn't answer two of Para's questions, so:
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how good of a job are you getting?
A really awesome job I can assure you. For someone at my age, the salary is very high, though I do have to work 8.4 hours a day, which is really tiring at the end.
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are you done with school for good or do you still have a year or two to go?
For now, I'm done. But I might go study something like marketing or PR management next year, you never know.
wow, sounds really awesome man. I am very happy for you! The 8 hours is a lot but still worth it, you can buy lots of cool stuff if you earn a lot! And you can retire faster!
I hope it you can continue to earn a great amount with a fun job, around here no matter how smart you are odds are you still won't get one cause almost nobody can afford to hire.
About Pyramid Cave, Werey, you want lower huh??? Just wait til I get the door to work on the first try... I'll have 1:35 or better! Is that crazy enough? :P
I'll try doing the trick to the right, but odds are the ghost and camera will be an issue.
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well i mainly get through every 3rd try now and some runs like 20 lol. 1:35 would be a really awesome time. I find the left is the best because the camera sometimes follows sonic so you can hit the timer easier.
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Lol Para, your quote got messed up <_<
Well I'm not getting enough to even THINK about retiring, but it's coll that there's no homework or studying anymore, so wheneven I'm still fit after work, I can spend time on SA2:B.
I can also highly recommend going through the left side. When going through:
hold A for having a long jump length and time, and as soon as the camera starts to move, you can hit A again as the camera moving is a sign that you are very near the sand clock (or whatever it's called in English <_<).
Then, after you've hit the clock, the ghosts should be pretty near you, so try to land on the right side and do a quick homing attack to ensure you have enough time to load a decent spindash, and you're back on your path. ^_^
At least that's what I do, you may have a better routine, but I know that mine works quite well for me!
And Para, you'd really need a first try SKD (Skip Key Door - abbreviations ftw) to get a time as crazy as 1:35 :D
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News about the glitch!
is possible to pass the first key before the line! but do not recommend that anyone do that! is very complicated! so I could run it 2 times (and was lucky it) I were made in hard mode! Well, I could not get a camera you can show this as I do the glitch, but as soon as I can I'll do a video and upload to YouTube! thanks TSCers
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Cort do you mean you went through the first key door like the second? I have done that multiple timees. all by accident whilst trying to super bounce. is this what you mean?
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Cort do you mean you went through the first key door like the second? I have done that multiple timees. all by accident whilst trying to super bounce. is this what you mean?
yeah! I got to do the glitch in the first key before the rail! but it was by accident! in my opinion I think it is possible to do ese glitch that first door too. is not 100% guaranteed, but does not hurt to try
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If you can do the SKD1 (1 = first door <_<) on the first try then that would save another 2-3 seconds, wouldn't it!?
PEOPLE, WE ARE BREAKING PYRAMID CAVE, DO YOU KNOW THAT?
COOKIES FOR EVERYONE!!
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Anybody that considers skipping the first door is just crazy! It wouldn't save too much time, probably 2 or 3 seconds. Plus I am not sure if you'd be able to hit the checkpoint or not, meaning you'd have to do that skip first try to save time, then do the second skip on your first try too. Personally I am just going to aim for doing the second door first try.
Plus who knows how the camera would react, you may have a hard time hitting the rail since you can't see if the camera decides to act stupid
anyway, my new time is..decent I guess, but this a shame for it to be the record
I am getting REALLY good at skipping the door, Usually I can get it within 5 attempts every time, I bet if I played for an hour more I'd nail a first try skip, but I am sick of jumping into it tonight so I will probably get it tomorrow!
Left door definitely is the best, right is useless with the camera.
edit: 1:38 now.. Second try, lost about 4 seconds probably. I will definitely do it first try tomorrow! I can get through with about a 25% success rate now which is ridiculously high!
Even though it was second try on the door... I did not restart at any checkpoints! Nailed a nice clean ending too.
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Why would it be crazy? 2 seconds of saved time is definitely a lot!
In a run where checks are used, one could easily go through the first door and hit the check, even if he has to backtrack a slight bit. It still saves time as you can spindash jump bounce on the rail right after being respawned again.
How the hell can you do that every 5th time now? I decided I should practice a bit yesterday and I first nailed the trick after 17 minutes!!!
Oh well, good luck in getting an awesome run with a first try SKD!
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I am just starting to learn exactly how you must do it, lining it up properly and nailing it :P
Seriously, I can pretty much get through the door within 4 tries 90% of the time..which is awesome!
Skipping the first door is crazy cause well..it only saves a few seconds and it would be really hard to do both(assuming the first is just as hard)but I guess once we get runs going with a perfect second door the first may be considered.
I am going to get through the door first try today.. I can feel it! maybe I will be able to make a video if I get a cool no-checks run as well.
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Awesome
and never forget: "PARAGOD NEVER STOPS!!"
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Haha, yeah :P as long as I feel something is within my reach I can get it, no matter how much time or effort it takes.
by the way how come you haven't managed a sub 1:50 time yet? or even sub 2? you said you were going to at least beat my 1:52 with the trick a few days back.
I hope I did not kill your desire to play by getting sub 1:40 already..
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No way, you getting awesome times never distracted me, it's just that the last few days have been really tiring, so even if I get some time to play, there's no concentration behind it.
sub1:50 is definitely coming from me, I know I can do much better than a sloppy 2:07 without the trick anyway!
And in the half of an hour I played it yesterday, I couldn't nail the trick even if my life depended on it!!!
I can't wait to see to get a nice video up!
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The first door is really not worth trying to get through. The camera followed me and i landed on the rail first time but the other times the camera went mad. I dont recommend this. Also PoT i dont see why you have so much trouble getting through :( i nail it every 5ish trys now, my best is 3 but it seems really easy now. Good luck on a epic time Paragod ^_^
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Thanks for the encouragement Werey, and of course Mr. Final. I will not let you guys down!
That is what I was thinking about the first door, just too hard to be worth the little gain. But again who knows we'll probably end up skipping that too when the second is perfected.
I got everything hooked up and ready to record, so I will be playing for an hour or two very soon to get something great!
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1:36 so far after 25 minutes. Fairly clean run no checkpoints used with 1 mistake, and second try on the door which perhaps cost up to 2 seconds maximum. If I don't get anything better I may upload this for the time being if anybody wants to see it.
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Just upload whatever comes out best when you're finished for the day.
And it'd be pretty cool if you could upload something within the next two hours though, so I can see it before going off.
Good luck!
EDIT: Just played some FR3, I can see 1:43 happening there for sure! Yes! I promise you, (and no, not REVENGE) this will be the weekend of me getting the FR3 record. And I'll get a much better time on PC1 at least.
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I don't know why it just won't go through on the first try...with a 25% success rate in theory I should be doing it every 1 in 4 runs, but after about 100 tries I never got through the first try, I did get through on the second several times though :/
Even though 1:36 is pretty good.. I am not satisfied and I am sure ya'll are not either! I am going to say 1:34 is possible for me, with perhaps 1:32-1:33 being possibilities as well, but those are definitely beyond my skill.
About skipping the first door again, I am starting to think you'd lose time, because really it only takes about 2 seconds to grab the key and throw it. you'd spend probably about that much time lining up for the side of the door(since the key platform is in the way) and then you'd be dealing with more luck and the camera...I just don't think it is going to happen.
btw FR, I just watched frame-by-frame how I did my door skip in the 1:36 run, hopefully it will help you understand how to do it exactly, there is no reason you can't have a 20-25% success rate like us.
Ok, using the floor pattern to determine how far away you should be, I started the spindash on the top line of the fifth brick, so you should be 4 whole bricks away from the door. Horizontally, I was half a brick away from the key platform, right on that line as well. I charged a fairly strong spindash, and I made the jump when I was exactly 1 and a half bricks from hitting the door. I was lined up right with the whole left grey border of the door and sonic went right through.
maybe this will help me and everybody else too, cause this is the first time I watched it in slowmotion to fully understand every detail.
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Interesting paragod.. GO FOR 1:32!
as for where i stand when spindashing.. I found getting too close so you have only a little amount of time to hump is not good. As in getting just infront of the key table things. Im normally in the middle of it. Sometimes when i fail a try it goes too fart to the elft so i dont have a chance of getting through. You need to be more or less right in the middle of the edge and the door to get through.
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1:32 is crazy man, but possibly 1:33 if the door ever decides to work out.
down to 1:35 now.. great improvement considering it was a second try door, which as far as I can tell from slow motion cost me about 1.60 sec.
I think i'll upload this one, then go for insanity!
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I'm not posting so much but I read every reply you guys post here, I'm very happy you guys are getting so awesome times :D, especially you Paragod, I really wanted to see a video of Pyramid Cave mission 1.
I have some news: I've noticed something else about this glitch: Since we can pass through this door now, it's possible to get 10-10-20 from the checks, of course it'll be hard to do, I personally think that both mission 1 and 5 RA are harder than any other in this game when we are talking about backtrack, but I'm sure someone will get this one day.
See you guys :D
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Maybe the cut back through the door will work like the one you use to backtrack for the torches if you getme. I had a nice run earlier and then i messed up. i get to the door around 55 seconds and then tske like 20 to get through. I need a video to see how you got 1:52 in the firsty place cause my best was 2:27 without doors
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It indeed work, and it's easier to do than the one after the second check, I can get back from the 3rd check with no problem but I simply can't pass through the door before the second check, and if I do it someday I'll probably lose my rings or die trying to do the last part of the backtrack :(
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1:52 is just playing the level regularly, without skipping any doors, and highly optimized playing! I had it on tape, but I think I taped over it before I could ever upload :/
If you're curious about target times for 1:35, I hit the second check at 37, get to the door at around 41, jump through at about 45(would be 43 if pulled off on my first try)hit the last check at 59, hit the goal ring at 1:35.
I am going to upload the 1:35 since the door just refuses to work first try, hopefully it will be here later today!
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How the hell do you do that! I get to the bit where you bounce over door one at 40 ish :O
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If anyone has trouble backtracking through the first first key door, I have an awesome solution to offer. I found out how to not let the first door close itself.
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o.O, I can't believe! You just saved my life xD, tell me please Mr Final, fast, faster, even faster, in no time :D
Edit: I know how it's done :D, what an easy thing, just put the key on the altar then use the super bounce to pass over the wall. I never though about that, thanks man :D
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Alright, so you know how the door closes immediately once you went through it, right?
Now, in the room with the key and the key stone are fences on both sides. Wallbounce up to them and you will see that there's a thin ground where you basically stand on the fence. Now face the wall with the keydoor and wallbounce up that wall which will get you so high, you will probably see the background of Pyramid Cave.
Ok, so at the moment, you're really high in the air. What you have to do now is to make sure you land on the rail to the left (I always use the right fence, to the rail is to the left of me. If you use the left fence, the rail is practically in front of you). Once landed on the rail, jump off and slowly backtrack to hit the checkpoint for the rings you want. Basically, in order for the door not to close itself, you just need to go over its "closing planes".
If you get too close to the door on the other side, it will close itself as soon as you try to walk away from it.
If that was too complicated, I could make a quick video of it.
Just keep in mind I can't upload to YouTube from home, so I'd have to send it to you per MSN or email.
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Hmm, so I finally did it in a speed run, even though there wasn't much speed there <_<
1:53:25
After 5 tries and a ghost (the ghost usually gets me after I fail the SKD once or twice), I got through. Took the camera a long time to reposition itself...
Hit the first check at 41:02, could've easily been a 0:39 one.
Had around 4-5 seconds of mistake in there as well.
I don't know how much the 4 tries and the ghost cost me, I'd guess around 6-7 seconds?
I guess my aim will be sub1:44? Sounds reasonable to me...
Also, Paragod, you should probably upload a video sometime soon, because even if it isn't perfect, there aren't any other good PC speedruns out there to my knowledge, so that would help us all. That'd be nice!
EDIT:
1:49:69
Up to the first check, everything went really good! Idk what my time was, but I think somewhere high 39 or low 40.
After failing once and being held by the ghost, I got through the door on my second try - and that's where I had some really AWFUL mistakes, hence the improvement of only 4 seconds.
-> still, this run was checkpoint-free!
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looking good, sounds like you are getting a hang of that door. I like no checks too(as if you didn't know)
did my slow-motion explanation of exactly how I got through the door help out a little? Or are you figuring it out by yourself?
you'll see my 1:35 soon I hope, I'd of made it yesterday but the dvd recorder was really busy with other people yesterday so I couldn't copy my run over :(
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Im still not getting how you get to the second check (first key door) in 40 odd seconds? I hit the first one at around 13: hit the dash ramp at around 25-30 and get to the door 1 by about 43. What am i missing
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Optimization I'd guess, werey.
And to Paragod, your explanation did help a bit, I now know where to stand, roughly.
Also, what a shock, I always thought you loved abusing checkpoints and entering levels with 99 lives! :P
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Checks AND 99 lives? I thought you knew me way better than that man :P
Werey..I am sure it is just optimization, whether it be skill or my strategy. I failed again to upload the video thanks to the fact that I failed to find an empty dvd.. I will hopefully get one tomorrow. Sorry for an excuse every single night(Makes me feel like somebody who fakes their times, hehe)but once the video is up it will explain better than words how I play.
I have some pretty cool news too.. I found a new time saving shortcut! It seems really hard at first, but with practice I can see it working its way into a no-checks run. It saves around..................(suspense)..... 1.20 seconds! Not bad for something so simple I always overlooked! Well actually I knew about it, but just tonight I found a way to actually execute it quickly and save time. When I upload the 1:35, I will also include a video of the new cut.
So as for the max time now, I can see 1:31 being reasonably possible. By reasonably possible I mean, lets just say getting 1:30 would be as pixel perfect as 1:35 CE1 or 2:06 FR1 :P Way too hard to be worth trying for unless you have ten thousand hours of free time.
How do I figure this? My time is 1:35.27, I lose 1.60 by not getting through the door first try. That is 1:33.67. I did not use my new shortcut on the run, so that is another 1.20 and we're down to 1:32.47. On my 1:35 the only bad time loss was about 0.5 in the first twisty corridor, so with a crazy play the time can go to a high 1:31.
I will be aiming for 1:32, because getting a first try door and then not screwing up at all will be very hard once you get nervous. Plus, after getting through the door 2nd try at least a hundred times, I still have yet to EVER get through the first try.. almost as if its impossible or something, I don't know...Fortunately 1:33 can still be done with a second try door. I also hit a new landmark for the second check tonight... sub 37! 36.95 to be exact, too bad I didn't make it through the door :(
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Wow. I just had a pretty nice run. I got through the door in one try but the time was 1:59. Really awesome for me.
I still cant get very fast.. I had a few runs where i got through the door in 2 but got hit by 2 ghosts in the second tunnel. But anyway, im happy with this and im not gonna try anymore till i see the video.
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I am going to upload a different 1:35 (1:35.59) because I used the new shortcut in the video and pulled it off excellently. I would of had a new record and a low 1:34 on this very run, but guess what... the camera just had to be stupid after I skipped the door, so I ended up wasting over a second by not hitting the hourglass.
So even though the video is a little slower than the record, consider it a 1:34 anyway that I got cheated out of :P
hopefully it goes up today within 10 hours of this post, or else I gotta make a new excuse.
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I guess I'm going to have to break my promise. I just didn't feel like playing Final Rush AT ALL today. <_<
I improved some other stats and went into the top100 though..
But I'm still positive I can get the record in the near future!
EDIT: God, my M3 time SUCKS!
-> Good thing though, I'm getting consistent at skipping the door.
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I'm a bit slow to reply here, but... wow, that's a really significant shortcut in Pyramid Cave. It looks really hard, but it's kind of cool that it skips the slowest part of the level. Great work to all involved in discovering and polishing this.
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Yeah Pot m3 is still my worst spot. The getting the chao part buggers my run up. I had a nice run in M3 where i got through the door at 1:01 which would of been awesome for M1 :(
Also Thanks yoshi :)
Edit: Just after this post i got through the door around 55 seconds (2nd try) and got 1:53.
I am really happy with this :)
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M3 isn't too bad for me but my problem is I always have to swing twice on each bar cause I cannot react to the first one in time, which wastes a fair amount of time. I could do each on the first swing once I memorize them, but I haven't bothered yet since I am still #1!
yoshi, it was a little tough at first for me, but we all know how much I suck at going through wall/door glitches. You're really good at them, so you should nail it much easier!
Join in with us if you wish, I bet you'd have a fair chance at beating me if you can get through on the very first try.
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Who wants some exciting news!!
I had excuse after excuse thanks to sucky technicalities, but its finally here!
The thing everybody wants to see...
Pyramid Cave M1 Video!!!
You can find it Here! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq9bX-G3qzc)
Remember, this may be a few tenths off my record but this SHOULD be a 1:34.. not my fault the stupid camera made me lose over a second by making miss the hourglass :(
hopefully the wait was worth it to everybody! and now werey can find out what I did to get to the door so fast.
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unbelievable, great video Paragod. I will try to do sub 1:38.
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thanks, and goodluck, young CORT!
why sub 1:38 though? such an odd number..how about sub 1:35 to push this level further forward!
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Awesome run Paragod!!!!!
AWESOME!!
!!!!!!!!!
That looked really nice, screw the damn camera that made you lose a second. I really liked the new shortcut you used, I didn't know about it yet.
That leaves only one question, is a door skip on the first try even possible? <_< I've never done it before, nor has anyone here as far as I know.... There's no explanation as to why it would be impossible, but oh well...
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thanks master final!!!!!!! I couldn't wait to see what you had to say about it. I had a feeling you'd really like it :)
I like the shortcut too. It's not new to me, but I could never save time with it because it took so long to jump up on the ledge. What I figured out a few days ago was that you could hit the very left edge of the jump ramp, land on the ledge and BANG, you save 1.20 sec!
I really don't know, based on theoretical probability it seems impossible, because like I said I was getting the door every 1 in 4 jumps on average. Yet.... lets say out of 100 attempts, I'd get through on the second try probably 20-30 times, but none on the first. Based on my success rate I should have gotten through on the first try 25 out of 100 times.
Wow. I just had a pretty nice run. I got through the door in one try but the time was 1:59. Really awesome for me.
Sounds like Werey has done it, but who knows how, he may have spent a lot of time setting it up which would be slower than 2 quick attempts. Hopefully he can fill us in on how he did it, and if he did it fast (ie a second quiicker than me)
Either way a high 1:33 is still standing as a possibility with 2 jumps and an incredibly flawless run, I think my run would have been 1:34.39 without the BS, so its really close!
Estimated Perfection:
2 Jumps = 1:33.9
1 jump = 1:31.8
OLD REGULAR STRAT: a very high 1:50 is now possible with my new time saver!
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Ok, i had a run yesterday and i got to the door by 49 second and through by 55. Is getting to the door that fast any good?
Paragod: I sometimes lose concentration if the ghost is there so i let him get me sometimes then i just go for the door. I got through on my first try. Sometimes from the rail i go straight to get through the door, home attack the ghost, then try again. But really i just hit the ghost and went straight for the door.. Yes i'm crap at explaining things but you should get what im saying heh.
Also: EPIC VIDEO :O
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Awesome video Paragod :D, and that shortcut... just epic, finally a great video of Pyramid Cave's first mission. I'm sure you can get a sub 1:35 there, you simply don't give up when you know you can do better :)
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Ok, i had a run yesterday and i got to the door by 49 second and through by 55. Is getting to the door that fast any good?
as you can see I got to the door at 42 and made it through at 45, with 2 jumps, so I guess you took a lot of time carefully doing 1 jump.
Don't worry Brian, I am definitely not done with Pyramid Cave yet. If I ever manage to get through the door first try I will go for 1:32(nearly perfect) but if it refuses to let me through even after hundreds of tries I will forget trying for it and just go for a perfect 1:33 with 2 jumps.
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No i dont, i just suck at the first half of the level.
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Hi guys, I have some news, I've finally got a video capture card, so I won't need someone's camera anymore :D, and since we are talking about glitches, I have one to show you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6vdZvRyx6M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6vdZvRyx6M)
See ya'll later o/
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thanks master final!!!!!!! I couldn't wait to see what you had to say about it. I had a feeling you'd really like it :)
Lol, how could I possibly not like such an awesome run. How could I not like ANY of your runs? You're known for pushing a record to its possible perfection or somewhere near that, so pretty much all of your vids are instantly awesome :D
Ok, i had a run yesterday and i got to the door by 49 second and through by 55. Is getting to the door that fast any good?
That's about my speed, but it takes me a little longer to go through the door (usually at around 1:00) because I usually nail it on the 3rd or 4th try.
since we are talking about glitches, I have one to show you
That surely is awesome. Only bad thing is that I was hoping for another awesome Sonic/Shadow glitch. :D <_<
But that's a really nice discovery nonetheless, Brian! *thumbs up*
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That surely is awesome. Only bad thing is that I was hoping for another awesome Sonic/Shadow glitch. :D <_<
But that's a really nice discovery nonetheless, Brian! *thumbs up*
Thx Final :D, yeah unfortunately it's not a Sonic/Shadow trick :P
Also Paragod, can you upload your Final Rush mission 5 video? I really want to see it, my time is very bad :/
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Sorry Brian, but I never recorded any FR runs, 2:12 M5 or 2:07 M1. FR7 didn't record his 2:07 either, quite a shame neither of us did :( At least everyone believes our times and aren't forcing us to produce a video :P
I really suck at FR now, I played M1 and I could only get 2:13. I could probably easily get into sub 2:10 range once I get used to it again, but I don't really feel like it.
Do you want to know what shortcuts and tricks I used or do you just want to see a flawless run for entertainment? If you only want a shortcut video, I could maybe sometime in the future throw together a sucky 2:20 run or something showing what I did, but if you want a perfect run I doubt I will be playing that level for a while, if ever. Sorry :(
You're known for pushing a record to its possible perfection or somewhere near that, so pretty much all of your vids are instantly awesome :D
I try, but I swear every video I make theres always a little mistake that costs maybe a tenth of a second or so and it always bugs me.. The only "perfect" runs I've ever been satisfied with are Green Hill (24.37 and 21.89) and metal harbor Mission 1 (1:13.67) and M2 (29.84) Actually I guess my FR 2:07 was satisfyingly perfect too. My building drop on CE1 used to bug me, but I guess really its no big deal, I bet your average person doesn't even see the flaw :P
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I wasn't talking about the 2:12 run, I know you don't taped it :P, I wanted to see the 2:13 run, in your comment you said you taped it. Even knowing the shortcuts I can't get close to your time :/, I'm more capable to at least try to beat things when I see a video than when I just know how it's done :(
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ohh, heck man odds are I have taped over that by now, I am pretty sure when I got that time I was determined to get something better like 2:11 or 2:10 so I never bothered to upload anything, so I just taped over it with other levels probably thinking i'd eventually get what I want.
I will check all my tapes though, there is a chance it is on a tape I stopped using and therefore still exists. Odds are its gone though, sorry Brian :(
Maybe i'll try the level and see if I can get anywhere near 2:12, just for you since you're awesome at SA2 and you've helped us all so much with so many crazy techniques and tricks..even glitches.
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Oh... ok then :), thx so much man, you're surely awesome at this game, I'm still trying to get sub 1:40 in CE(I'm at 1:41 right now, but I haven't submitted it) while you got 1:36 years ago :D, btw I've taped a horrible, full of big mistakes CE run, did you see it?
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Unrelatedly this topic needs a name change. So badly.
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1:41 is getting close, if you keep playing you'll take my most popular, most worked-for record and shock everybody :P I guess you could say 1:36 is awesome for 2007, but I was the only one trying back then so of course no one's came close yet.
I did see the 1:47 video, you pretty much play as good as me with some mistakes mixed in only because you haven't played as much yet. I like how you held back after the big pit jump to stop the robot from appearing, I tried that a long time ago too. I don't think its faster, but it does give you a nice straight jump for that rail. Doing a bounce over the fence before the building may be a little faster than me, smoother-looking if nothing else.
Also I doubt you will want to try it(as its just a little too hard to pull off consistently)but right before the truck chase, you can jump from the third of the long rails and bounce ball the little tiny rail before the check and save lots of time compared to running and jumping up the stairs. I could pull it off very rarely, definitely not often enough to put it into a run unfortunately. Maybe you can do better!
The topic does need a update I guess, but why not keep the title anyway since its classic? If you had it changed you'd have to call it something like "The SA2B everything topic" because you never know what we talk about in here..that makes it cool! First we talked about how much time you lose from a checkpoint, then we helped each other with final rush, Brian explained a few of his tricks, we talked about Pyramid Cave and some more Brian stuff.. so really we'll leave it up to FR7 if he wants to change it.
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At least everyone believes our times and aren't forcing us to produce a video :P
No, I don't believe you, you cheater! I also know you sped your CE1 video up!! <____< *fails*
I really suck at FR now, I played M1 and I could only get 2:13. I could probably easily get into sub 2:10 range once I get used to it again, but I don't really feel like it.
This. I can get the occasional 2:12 run in FR almost every time, but as soon as I'm going for the small hard tricks that doesn't save that much time but are necessary for a perfect run, I fail.
Though a few days ago I was able to get 2:09:82 on my second file, but I guess I was just lucky.
Final Rush isn't what it was once for me.... Not to mention I can't even get sub2:20 on M5 (though I haven't been really trying too hard either)
Also, GO BRIAN! You'll be the second guy ever to take CE1 under 1:40! I'm positive you can do it, even if it is really hard.
And I'll leave this topic's name as it is if that's ok with you guys...? I'm a bit of a nostalgia type, and this topic is already a year old or so. XD
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No, I don't believe you, you cheater! I also know you sped your CE1 video up!! <____< *fails*
oh yeah? at least I have never had my name come up in the leaderboard disputes forum, so I must be a way better cheater than you if I didn't get caught or even questioned! You definitely used a code to have double speed on the rails to be able to beat my final rush M1 time, 2:07.69 is unbeatable by anybody cause I am so good! Just admit it, you can never beat me playing without your codes. I'd get way below sub 2 if I used your codes, so obviously you suck very much! I did cheat on CE, I programmed a robot to run the level just right because of course I could never do it, but at least I was smart enough to not over do it and get something humanly impossible like 1:33.. I programmed it to play at a realistic skill level that a person could pull off, if they are crazy. I never even got accused once of cheating!
Okay enough of that I got carried away there.
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I was able to get 2:09:82 on my second file
well, that is way better than 2:13 at least. You must retain your skills better than I do after leaving a level for a long time. On M5 I am assuming you use the jump to skip the boxes at the very end, I remember telling you about it but I am not sure if you fully understood it. It saves over 5 seconds, which is why I made such a jump from 2:20 or so, or whatever I had.
And I'll leave this topic's name as it is if that's ok with you guys...? I'm a bit of a nostalgia type, and this topic is already a year old or so. XD
yeah I would really prefer you left it as is. its cool, its classic, and still going strong! who cares if we strayed off topic, it happens that way sometimes. PLUS when somebody first sees the topic, they will be thinking WHY THE F ARE THERE SO MANY REPLIES TO SUCH A SIMPLE QUESTION?!?!? which is funny :P they'd initially think it was still being debated or something.
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oh yeah? at least I have never had my name come up in the leaderboard disputes forum, so I must be a way better cheater than you if I didn't get caught or even questioned! You definitely used a code to have double speed on the rails to be able to beat my final rush M1 time, 2:07.69 is unbeatable by anybody cause I am so good! Just admit it, you can never beat me playing without your codes. I'd get way below sub 2 if I used your codes, so obviously you suck very much! I did cheat on CE, I programmed a robot to run the level just right because of course I could never do it, but at least I was smart enough to not over do it and get something humanly impossible like 1:33.. I programmed it to play at a realistic skill level that a person could pull off, if they are crazy. I never even got accused once of cheating!
Yeah, I knew you programmed a robot. It was so obvious, because a normal player could never even get sub1:40 on CE. For Final Rush, I used the double speed shoe trick along with a cheat that doubles your speed on rails and when falling. I also played the level frame by frame with saves stats. I intentionally didn't get a 2:06 because that would seem so suspicious. My 2:09 video has intentional bad quality so you can't really see what's going on, and all my pics are photoshop'd.
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Yes, I do use the trick at the wall at the end. We named it the CWS, IIRC. Cross-wall spindash? Oh well. I didn't even get to use it that much because it is at the end of the level and my runs fail after less than a minute, especially since I'm going with no-check runs from the start this time.
yeah I would really prefer you left it as is. its cool, its classic, and still going strong! who cares if we strayed off topic, it happens that way sometimes. PLUS when somebody first sees the topic, they will be thinking WHY THE F ARE THERE SO MANY REPLIES TO SUCH A SIMPLE QUESTION?!?!? which is funny :P they'd initially think it was still being debated or something.
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's like we are:
X - You lose 0.6 seconds!
Y - No, you lose 0.8 seconds!
X - No
Y - Yes
X - No
Y - Yes
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I always knew better than to trust sucky quality videos... people always hide their slight time-saving cheats that way.
I'm going with no-check runs from the start this time.
Have I inspired you to go for check-free WR runs? Or is it something you'd of done if I never existed? I am curious :P
Yeah, I think it was called the CWS, something like that. Whatever its called, its that trick that pretty much saves no time on M1, but tons on M5.
X - You lose 0.6 seconds!
Y - No, you lose 0.8 seconds!
X - No
Y - Yes
X - No
Y - Yes
hehe, fortunately we know both Y and x are wrong! its all about which checks you use, and what strategy you use to get yourself back up to speed. Some may cost half a second, some a tenth, some almost none(Brian's radical highway)and some probably a second or more(FR's mid check)
Maybe soon somebody will click the topic, not notice that there are over 400 replies and then explain to us how much he thinks checks lose..that'd be funny, about as funny as somebody thinking we're still arguing :P
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Have I inspired you to go for check-free WR runs? Or is it something you'd of done if I never existed? I am curious :P
Yeah, it was you, or better yet, your runs.
I always used to think that I could improve and do perfect segments of Final Rush which would then be divided by checkpoints, but once you broke my 2:09:92, I noticed that I could no longer rely on them. This 2:09 time felt perfect to me (just look at the comment of it <_<), and I could only imagine you beating it by doing exactly the same thing without checkpoints.
At that time, I would've laughed really hard if you were to tell me that 2:07:69 was possible with an 1:20.8 check.
Of course, you didn't cease to surprise me and got that time, not only forcing me to go on without any checkpoints in FR, but also questioning myself because even if I were to do my 2:09 run without checks, it would still result in 2:08.3 or so. This definitely gave me some bad weeks where I didn't really manage to put up a good run, and I kept thinking about your time and asking myself if maybe you were not just a little bit too good for me. So mentally, I wasn't even close to my best.
I don't exactly know what happened to make that feeling go away, but I'm happy it disappeared. It sorta gave me the drive to give it all again, and voilà , I made it to a 2:08.xx that didn't feel perfect at all. It was then when I realized I still had a chance at beating you, and I also kept reading all your posts over and over to make sure I didn't miss the slightest cut.
And here we are now, with M1 long behind us....
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Woa! You guys talked a lot while I was sleeping xD.
Yeah, I think it's better to keep the original title of the topic, it makes it look awesome as you guys said, and it was mainly Paragod's fault, 'cause in my LD topic, he was one of the first ones to reply, and after this we and Jawzun started to talk about the stage and post our results there, these were good days for sure :D.
Yeah, it's called CWS, it was a great found :), it helps a lot in mission 5, since I don't need to waste time there, but instead of doing a spindash jump, I just hold the "A" button while charging and keep holding it until I reach that last place.
Hahahahahaha, thx guys for your help, I'll do my best to get sub 1:40, but I don't think your record is beatable, at least by me :/, even if I could, I probably wouldn't try to do it, since CE(and GH, but I can choose only one) is your signature stage, as EC is for Jawzun. And about the big pit jump, I did that 'cause I haven't put the usual method to work right, and jumping on that final rail happened to me only one time during a speedrun, but I've though about it earlier.
Hey Final, will you play FR again? If so GL dude :D, and don't forget to tape it, we need another awesome video from you :)
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So CWS is it!
But I have to add that CWS might not be the first choice for me, even if I discovered it. I've noticed that with a quick wall jump (and not the springs), and then a quick B+A plus another jump and B+A can get you through the boxes in the ground without that giant weight thingy crushing you. I've done it a few times, but I didn't test yet if it's indeed faster.
I'm playing M5 atm, and getting sub2:20 is already difficult.... My best time is 2:18 now, which was made a year ago...
It all depends on how quickly I can readapt to all the stage's differences from M1, as I can now literally play M1 with me eyes closed.
As soon as I am in the 2:15 area, I'll make a vid.
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Ahh. I was trying to get the 2nd spot of CE1, but brian's got 1:41 :(. Looks like i need to practice more to beat it
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Ahh. I was trying to get the 2nd spot of CE1, but brian's got 1:41 :(. Looks like i need to practice more to beat it
Hmmm... looks like I'll have some more competition now, let's see who will be the 2nd best player in CE: Me, you or jawzun :D
Good luck PoT, I hope you can do it soon :), I'm still wanting to sub 2:25 in this mission, my mission 1 time is satisfying for me, 2:13 is something I've never though being possible for me :/, but 2:27(my new mission 5 time) is very bad IMO, the CWS really helps a lot in mission 5, I don't even remember how to do the ending without it xD.
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Damn I never thought that i would be competing against brian. So, i'm trying now, and the best i got was 1:45 without checkpoint abuse.
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Hey dude, this is an awesome time! And without checks! I think you'll get sub 1:40 soon, I'm working a lot these days, and I couldn't play since the day I uploaded my last videos, but I'll try to do 2 things that can make a sub 1:40 run be "easier" than before, of course they're hard to do:
1. Get the last rail instead of doing the jump and B+A just before you enter in the truck chase, this is very hard to do in a good run, since at least with me, these moments make me shake a lot and increase my chance of making a mistake.
2. Do another spindash just before the first curve in the truck part without touching the speed pad, this will make me retain the speed I got in the first part of the chase instead of limiting myself with the speed pad's speed, this is easier than the first trick, and will make me save some time, for now I can't see this being done in the second part, since it's a 180º turn, which makes it so much harder than the first one :/.
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Hmm, ok, thanks for the tips. I have tried to hit that rail at the end, but always mess up on a good run, but never on a bad run. Once i got there at 1:19, then aimed for the rail and went too far right and died. The non-check run, i made a massive mistake by overshooting the green ramp. But i made up for it by bouncing over the fence, so i lost around 5 seconds, which makes me think that i could sub 1:40. I kinda understand the second trick, but do i need to avoid the speed pads or can i hit them?
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Goodluck you two! Sub 1:40 on CE is an INCREDIBLE time, ya'll can do it!
I shouldn't be happy though..once someone breaks 1:40, they'll realize they can beat me :(
I don't exactly know what happened to make that feeling go away, but I'm happy it disappeared. It sorta gave me the drive to give it all again, and voilà , I made it to a 2:08.xx that didn't feel perfect at all. It was then when I realized I still had a chance at beating you, and I also kept reading all your posts over and over to make sure I didn't miss the slightest cut.
And here we are now, with M1 long behind us....
yup, man we sure did enjoy ourselves with the competition.. it was just awesome :)
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Yeah talon, you can't touch them 'cause if you do it, you'll lose the speed you got from all spindashes, this way you'll have the speed the pad gave you, which is slower than your current speed :)
Also Paragod and PoT, I really felt so incomplete for not being able to write a chapter of Final Rush with you both :(, but I'm very happy for being a friend of yours :D, something that couldn't ever happen if I haven't been called out, and you asked this question PoT.
I'm sure you can reach the top too talon, you're so good, even knowing you're a newcomer you can get this sub 1:40, maybe faster than me :)
Who would say that a topic that was made to answer a simple question would make us grow up so much?
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yup, man we sure did enjoy ourselves with the competition.. it was just awesome :)
Definitely! I don't really know what else to say, but it was definitely just awesome. I remember always coming here before I went to sleep to see if you got another awesome and on-the-first-sight unbeatable seeming time or maybe discovered a new cut, or just looking at your response when I discovered something.
Also Paragod and PoT, I really felt so incomplete for not being able to write a chapter of Final Rush with you both :(
Don't feel that way, you contributed to the topic as well!!
but I'm very happy for being a friend of yours :D
I feel the same. In this society of different people, it's cool to have a few guys you know really well and can get along with. Even better for me, you both are absolute top players on SA2! :D
something that couldn't ever happen if I haven't been called out, and you asked this question PoT.
Yeah? I don't even remember that anymore... Do you know that topic's name by any chance? :D
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I was talking about this topic xD
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LOL xD <_<
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Thanks brian_pso. I'm playing now, and just practising between the 1st and 3rd checkpoint since i always screw up somewhere there. After (If) I sub 1 40. I'll start playing final rush even though i'm not that good at it. And try to solve 2 20
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In pyramid cave, how exactly do you perform the glitch at the 2nd key door?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU8dB77iIR0
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/me doesn't feel like playing pyramid cave until his records have competition
Brian, FR7 (maybe cort?) that means YOU!
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NO!!!
I'm not torturing myself through a stage I never liked too much!
Not to mention that my max would be around 1:42, whereas you are miles away with a 1:35! Brain could give you some competition since he was originally only 6 seconds away.
One question though, how did you skip the first AC that's blocking the rails (around 0:14 in) in Final Rush 5?`
I lose like 2 seconds there compared to Mission 1. <_<
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I can't play right now due to my job, we are changing some things, and this is taking all of my time :/, I haven't got the Ring record yet too, but don't worry I'll give it a try when I have sometime :)
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NO!!!
I'm not torturing myself through a stage I never liked too much!
Now you know how I feel about that sub 1 min thing on Emerald Coast xD
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And that's how I would feel about CE if ya'll made me play for 1:35 M1 :P Or 1:39 M5 for that matter..
Sorry FR Master, it completely slipped my mind that you only like the final levels enough to play them so hard to get the record. Sorry. Pyramid Cave is definitely not a final level.
sounds good Brian, play when you can if you feel like it. We all know the job is much more important!
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Now you know how I feel about that sub 1 min thing on Emerald Coast xD
Oh, I didn't know you felt this way.. Well, I'm not too familiar with SA1's records, but from what I've heard, you're record won't be broken at any time soon.
And a minute looks just better than 59 seconds <_< xD
You seriously don't have to play until insanity, Paragod xD
Who would even be so cruel to make you do that?
True, I would already have the record if the stage was called Final Cave XD But no, PC just isn't my type of level. Pyramids and castles and ruins were never my type of level (or level theme).
I also noticed yesterday that whenever I play FR, I have all these little segment times in my head (like hitting the spiral rail at 17.1, the camera change at 22.8 or hitting the long shortcut-rail at 29.6) which are driving me crazy because I can't ignore them for some reason and it's pissing me off that I can't get these times too often anymore (like 1 out of 10 runs).. <_<
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I'm having a little trouble with a good CE2 strat, I managed 38:86 with my own strat. But i don't see anyone getting 33-34 with it.
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yeah FR I always have tons of little checkpoints in my head too, they may drive you crazy at times but really they are for the best, its just one of our ways to make sure we're performing up to par for a new record, otherwise why keep playing?
talon, have you ever played the DC version of CE2? You know the 10-ring container on the wall right after the boarding part? On the DC version, its a 20 ring container, which enables for much faster times. Yoshifan did 35.9 on GC(which is very good, my best was 36.32) so go for 35 GC, 33 if you have a DC.
You seriously don't have to play until insanity, Paragod xD
Who would even be so cruel to make you do that?
I was hoping not.. just thought someone may want me to try for absolute perfection, which I know I cannot do. Determination only goes far.. I'm unable to be determinated for something I feel is beyond my ability!
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Very true, Paragod. But I still don't know why I can't just turn them off. <_<
Even when I was recording my 2 rail and all-rail runs of FR, I always had them in my mind. It's not only that, but my brain automatically calculates and tells me how many seconds i'm behind if this was a record run.
BAWWWWWWWWWW
I agree, reching beyond one's limits may be good in some things, but in gaming it is not. Instead, you should just concentrate on other goals. Metal Harbor? Or CG5 (there's 5 seconds of possible cutting according to you)?
I especially like how you were saying for months that you stopped playing seriously, and as soon as I made it possible to go through the key door in PC, you had the record optimized quite well after only a few days. d<_<
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haha, honestly I was pretty rusty as I played pyramid cave, compared to when I was at my best. So its not an exceptional record, just a decent one. I watched those 2 runs, the "all rails" in FR was really awesome, from reading the video title I never imagined how challenging that would be until I watched it, and realized how many hard jumps you have to make. Cool, challenging, interesting challenge you accomplished! Whats the max possible time there? :P
My metal harbor is almost perfect, I would play for 1:12 GC but I am pretty sure 1:11 is DC only isn't it? I hate playing on DC. Kinda discourages me, but maybe I can get 1:12 anyway someday. Lots of time can be saved in CG5, 1:54 may be a little insane but at least 1:56 as a reasonable time. You never know what I'll do! just always check the new stats and you may be shocked one day.
but my brain automatically calculates and tells me how many seconds i'm behind if this was a record run.
Same here, I know exactly what goes through your mind :P it can be tantalizing when you keep ending up slow, and then when you have a run way better than expected you get.........REALLY nervous. Of course.
by the way what does bawwww mean??
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What is this "nervous" you speak of? *shot*
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You know, when your heart-rate speeds up.
It used to happen to me when I was about to beat my EC record every time I got near the capsule.
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This is what makes me lose a lot of good runs xD, I know what you're talking about PoT, whenever I play Metal Harbor again I keep looking at the clock, even if I'm only playing for fun, but this don't annoys me, unless I see I'm not playing as good as I've played before.
And talking about perfection, I keep torturing myself for not being able to do most of my record runs without checks :/, I really want to stay playing an entire day, only to be able to get a check free run in any stages I play for real.
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Thanks, I'm glad you liked my special FR runs ^_^
I watched my allrails run again, and maybe even the mission 4 limit of 5 minutes can be broken? I'm not sure, but I'll give it a try this weekend (pretty busy week <_<).
I wouldn't know why 1:11 would be DC-only. I just watched it and I didn't see anything like that..!? If it really is DC-only, then that's too bad. But if it isn't....you could try to take the record back. That will be difficult though, the 1:11 run has only very small flaws.
Same here, I know exactly what goes through your mind :P it can be tantalizing when you keep ending up slow, and then when you have a run way better than expected you get.........REALLY nervous. Of course.
Yeah, but what sucks is that it's pretty much impossible (at least for me) to do better than what I had in my record run, so equalizing it is the only thing I can do <_<
I still have big plans for SA2, but the busy days make me push my ambitions for the game further and further away. <_<
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I wouldn't know why 1:11 would be DC-only. I just watched it and I didn't see anything like that..!? If it really is DC-only, then that's too bad. But if it isn't....you could try to take the record back. That will be difficult though, the 1:11 run has only very small flaws.
watch his old 1:12.35 run. He gets to the last check at 40.0, and on my 1:13.67 run I got to that check at 40.5. He was exactly 0.1 sec slower than me jumping to the rocket. So at this point, his run should be 0.4 sec faster than mine. He did the boarding no better than me, and his jump to the goal ring was about the same, maybe even a little slower since it wasn't so smooth compared to mine. So He should only be 0.4 or even 0.3 faster than me.. thats about 1:13.37....where did a WHOLE second come from? (1.02) To me it looks like you start boarding faster on DC, that's the only explanation I can come up with. It seems to only happen on DC so DC has a 1 sec advantage :(
That kinda discourages me like I said, I know GC can probably do a low 1:12 with all the new gravity tricks Brian helped him find, but I can never get the record which makes me say screw it, my 1:13 was perfect for its time anyway! Maybe someday though i'll torture myself and play on DC.
I watched my allrails run again, and maybe even the mission 4 limit of 5 minutes can be broken? I'm not sure, but I'll give it a try this weekend (pretty busy week <_<).
you don't have to seriously speedrun them, I was just playing around :P
I can't wait to see what surprises you have for SA2..!
Yeah, but what sucks is that it's pretty much impossible (at least for me) to do better than what I had in my record run, so equalizing it is the only thing I can do <_<
yeah I know. For me though, sometimes I have an insane run that is waaaaay better than anything I've ever had in my life, and I really start to worry. In fact, my 1:36 CE was one of those runs, because I had crossed the fence at 54(usually 55) and landed from the building at 1:06.. man I started to get so nervous here... I go for the pit jump...easy...I go for the spindash jump/rail bounce by the robot..(I MADE IT!!) then I think... there's no way i'll roll under the cage to start the truck chase without flying in the air..sure enough I did. At this point it was feeling so intense I probably had the power to kick a door down without even trying..you can't see it in the movie, but I was SOOOOOO nervous doing the spindashes at each hill, hoping to god I don't mess them up, which is easy to do. I nailed the first 2 hills...lined up with the yellow line in the middle..yes!! JUST ONE MORE HILL! I nailed the final hill and i'm like.. DO NOT accidentally get stuck on the side of the road while lining up the goal ring!!!!! DON'T!!!!!(easy to do w/o practice) and I didn't........NAILED THE GOAL RING! INSANE RUN AND NO CHECKS! that's why I jumped from 1:38.10 to 1:36.89, it was just so perfect. I almost died of excitement, and I knew I would never top this :)
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I am shocked to reveal that you in fact start the boarding ~1.2 seconds faster on DC than on GC. That sucks!! I just did a slo-mo of both runs next to each other...and..yeah <_<
I really wish it were otherwise, and that no console would have an advantage. I'm sorry you can't get into this record now, Paragod..
I know, but speedrunning them would be a nice challenge. I'm currently looking for a few challenges, be it Final Rush or another stage.
I've been thinking about seriously (like, really seriously) starting to play CE to see if I can join the group of the top5, or maybe even sub1:45 some day. In my 1:49 run I had to abuse the first check (0.3 seconds lost), I got stuck on the fence in midair (lost 0.4) and I got shot off the last hill (damn that last hill in the truck chase, I always fail there) (lost 1 second?)
I know there's still lots of room to improve on CE, and I can even get a consistent 0:37 check (awesome for me), but Idk how much I want to spend on that.
However I promised you a sub1:47 at least and that will be done soon.
I know what you mean when you say dying of excitement, imagine how I felt when you had a 2:11:70 and I got a 2:11:64!!! Not to mention when I broke the 2:10 barrier! That was really awesome!! Getting the Final Chase record was cool, too, but nowhere near as great...
Maybe I'm a bit slow, but I just noticed Brian's 'Mr. Shortcut' nickname. I definitely like it, and it matches all his patents in his sig ^_^
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I really hate to lose good runs because of this feeling that take control of me :/, all of my sub 25 runs in GH were lost because of this, hahahahahahha if you see my 25:39 video you'll see what I'm talking about, I missed a stupid homing attack there, another example was my RH M5 run, when I'm about to reach the goal ring, I was shaking so much, and that made me miss the "A" button twice, then shadow did that single jump instead of a homing attack xD
Yeah when I first noticed the record in the index I was like: OMG!!! Someone did it, with video! When I watched the video I though: Most of the difference is on the boarding. Then Son1cGu1tar did it again, and another second was saved, but again due to a new amazing time saver. I'm sure his record is beatable(not for me, I can't play this stage past the mid check :P), 'cause in both runs he was really slow in different parts, in the first run his was slow after the mid check(mostly after the second loop, after the spindash jump), and in his second run, he was slow until he reached the mid check. And another thing comes on my mind, I really hated what happened to a guy, who got your record in February, he got 1:12:80 using basically the same strategy you used in your run, and playing in GC! And no one knew about it, 'cause Son1cGu1tar got your record. I've pasted the link to his video in that topic about TSC translations months ago, I really think he deserve some congratulations. That's why I think you can beat his record, even playing in GC, of course it would be very hard, but it's possible even with the 1 sec advantage :D
PoT I think you lose so much more than 1 second when you fly in the truck part of CE, I think it's something around 3 or more seconds, 'cause while you are in the air and slow, you could be in the street rolling at a very high speed, I'm sure it makes you lose a BIG amount of time, more than most of the tricks in this game :P. LOL do you liked my nickname? Yeah, I though about it due to my sig(what made me remember of naming some tricks I haven't put there), and my personal text was based on my Total Mission 3 ranking :D
Edit: I forgot to mention... if that guy have used Son1cGu1tar's tricks, that run could be a low 1:10 or high 1:09 for sure(In DC of course)
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I hate that feeling. That happened to me a few times on different levels of the game and on S1 as well. Once my hands got so sweaty that i dropped the controller (fail)
So i've been playing around on FR1 for an hour and got 2:32 (YAY!!!). Which i shall improve on, but i'm on to getting sub 1:40 on CE1 now. I can't seem to avoid the speed pads at the truck part, maybe Brian if you can make a video or something.
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I am shocked to reveal that you in fact start the boarding ~1.2 seconds faster on DC than on GC. That sucks!!
So it really is true. Wow! I had a feeling it was, but I was not 100% sure. Brian, yeah I did see the 1:12.80 GC run, it was pretty nice. I don't know why I never found it sooner though..plus the guy never submitted it. I can definitely see 1:10 like you said, but 1:09?? That would be just flat out crazy, that's 4 seconds faster than my "perfect" run and 7 seconds better than the old 1:16 which stood for a long time! If I ever get used to playing on DC(It sucks!)I may get 1:10, but I won't promise anything as of now.
On CE, trust me man you once you play enough to start being really consistent you'll easily get sub 1:45. Think of how hard Brian will have to play to get his sub 1:40..you can atleast take it under '45 ;) About bouncing the last hill..like Brian said definitely more than a second. anywhere from 2-4.. I don't know exactly, the last hill is the easiest of them all, because the ramp lets you know when to get ready.
I know what you mean when you say dying of excitement, imagine how I felt when you had a 2:11:70 and I got a 2:11:64!!! Not to mention when I broke the 2:10 barrier! That was really awesome!! Getting the Final Chase record was cool, too, but nowhere near as great...
Even more excited than when you beat my 2:07? I know 2:11 was the first time you beat me, but beating 2:07 was just flat out crazy! Sub 2:10 was a cool barrier to break too though!
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So pretty much fail at getting sub 1 40 on CE1 with my best today being 1 47 02. A reasonable time, but i need it to get better than this. The truck chase really screwed me over. I managed 1 23 at the last checkpoint and then missed the first hill by somersaulting in the middle. I thought that i should also go for CE5's second place seeing as it is 1 55 and paragod's record isn't even touched.
FR1 seems to be difficult for me to break 2:20. Maybe after CE1 i'll give it a shot. I can't even imagine of breaking the barrier of 2:10. How you guys managed that is beyond me.
MH1 i never really properly did a proper speed run on. I played it for a day's practice, was happy with my 1:20 and then stopped.
The loop trick on CE3 is giving me a headache. I only get it when i'm practising. Is there any way of getting 90-100% sure?
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heh yeah the record gap on CE5 is crazy, I have a 13 second lead, yet the level is, at least, 3 seconds from being perfect. CE1 is only about a second off of pixel-perfection yet the gap is only 8 seconds, well I guess 5 really since Brian has 1:41 now...shows how nobody cares about M5's.
1:23 on the last check is a potential 1:42, it's 19 seconds from check to goal if you do the chase as well as I do. 20 or 21 seconds if you die and restart from that check though, so the potential drops to about 1:44 if you can't do it all in 1 run.
I can't even imagine of breaking the barrier of 2:10. How you guys managed that is beyond me.
Looking back, it is beyond me too... but we did it! We were just crazy, whilst enjoying our competition :P
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Well, if I really lost more than just a second on that wasted hill, then that means I only have a bigger chance at sub1:45ing CE1. It's also cool that I'm pretty consistent in that "go under the left side of the fence to not be sent flying form the very first hill"-trick :D
I never really had a chance to play a DC game or hold its controller, so why does it suck so much? <_<
And it's really pissing me off that in the console comparison, GC's losing badly...
Yeah, I wish them both good luck at getting sub1:40 in CE! I can't possibly imagine myself doing something that crazy, but if I even manage a sub1:45, I'll be more than happy. After all, City Escape was my first Sonic level ever!
Man, beating your 2:07 was awesome as well, but it lacked something.. I think it was that I knew you were done with this level, and once I beat it out competition was over. I don't know why, but once I seriously started going for the record when your time was 2:07, I somehow lost the hope of finding even more cuts.
It was all just a procedure of doing a pretty much perfect run. I remember that countless time I went into the level with 99 lives just to practice the part from 0:44-1:20, because that was my weakest part...
Little did I know that 2:07 was even possible when I frst got my 2:09. Having gotten that time with 2 checks, I completely believed that my run was perfect aside from the checks, only to come back a few weeks later and to see you beating it by over 2 seconds.
It's pretty hard to explain how exactly sub2:10 can be gotten..I think it's something like when you see a top-speedrun. You're doing the same things he does, but you still can't get the same time. It's the very small errors you can only see and avoid when you've played a level for a very long time.
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Yup, time gained from very small optimizations that come naturally from playing the level hundreds of times really adds up. For example a tenth of a second doing this or that probably won't be noticed, but if there's 20 spots of it in the level, there's 2 seconds you can't see. Plus as none of us will ever be perfect every run will have variations. My 2:07 felt perfect, but I know I lost a few tiny bits of times that I can't even see, and FR was faster in some spots to beat me by a third. That's why 2:06 is possible, but it's almost down to luck to get that time, unless you somehow have robotic skills.
It's also cool that I'm pretty consistent in that "go under the left side of the fence to not be sent flying form the very first hill"-trick :D
Cool, that is a good trick to be able to pull off well. I was pretty proud of it when I found it, but man it's really hard to do w/o using the last checkpoint. I believe you can do it from the right side too, but obviously that's way harder and it wastes time.
I was done at 2:07, but that doesn't mean you should have stopped looking for new tricks..remember, my comment said I am only done if no new fairly big time savers are found! If you found something that saves a second or more, I'd of came back :P
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Paragod, I'm sure it's possible to get a high 1:09 in DC, but you'll need to adapt yourself to the DC joystick again, what's very boring to do, but I don't think it sucks, it's a very good controller, it gives you a lot of precision, so much more than the GC controller IMO, 'cause the GC's one have an octagonal shape, which makes go in straight line easier, but the DC's one have a circular shape, and this gives you more precision to change your direction or make turns.
Final Rush is one of the stages I have more problems to get everything right in one run, it took a while to get my 2:13, and I don't see myself getting something like this without a lot of pratice, I really really really hate that rail shortcut at 29 seconds, that's what make me don't play it so much :/
Yeah, while you keep training, you'll start to get the tricks to work, and eventually get sub 1:45. And about the loop trick in M3, there's a way to do it properly: when you reach the loop you just need to do a homing attack at that spot shown in the videos, but here's the knack, instead of push the control stick to the corner, you need to aim to the corner and release the control stick, this way sonic will push himself through the loop :), that's how I do and it never failed. Talking about M5, it was a real surprise to see myself in the 2nd place, 'cause I got that time while playing just to get to the red section, and when I submitted it, what?! 2nd place? o.O. I never touched it since this day :P. Oh, I almost forgot... I'll try to tape that turn trick on the truck part for you guys, and I finally can record the sound. I'll maybe do it this Sunday, I'll finally have a break from my job, so I'll tape it in the morning and in the evening I'll go to the Video Games Live Show!!! Woorray :D
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thanks brian. I've managed to cut my FR1 time down to 2:19 with no checkpoint abuse. I havent had time to do my CE5 run yet.
Hmm, i'll try CE1 again. I think i could get a sub 1:10 if i try really really hard, but before i never got the trick to work so my best is 1:36 which took me hours to do.
FR1 can get a bit annoying i'll point out the most annoying bits and see if there's any bits that you can help me with. At around 11-12. the spindash onto the rail is annoying since i usually miss it. The jump at around 29-30 seconds (As Brian pointed out) Is also annoying as well. The part at around 1:00 to make the jump from the first rail (Above the ring box and spring) and the second rail gets on my nerves as it messes up the run. The jump at around 1:11 - 1:12 to get to the platform with the artifical enemy i cant seem to do without a million tries. Near the end when you have to jump from the platform with the line of rings onto the rail, i always light dash even though i'm on the right. And at the last chase part, i can't get a smooth landing at the beginning. These are the main things that trouble me.
I shall try CE1 and hope to get sub 1:40 by the end of october. If not, i'll just try final rush until i break sub 2:10
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Brian, thanks for that explanation of the loop trick! I could only ever to get it to work on DC, and since I sucked at DC I could only get 1:09.. maybe I can get a great record on CE3 now, 1:07 or maybe even 1:06!
*plays CE3*
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At around 11-12. the spindash onto the rail is annoying since i usually miss it.
I never had trouble doing that. Is the camera causing you to miss it?
The jump at around 29-30 seconds
As soon as the rails start to curve to the left for the last time, press A (keep holding the joystick to the right), and then about 0.4-0.5 seconds after youv'e pressed A, press B. I can get it done 30% of the time with that.
The part at around 1:00 to make the jump from the first rail (Above the ring box and spring) and the second rail gets on my nerves as it messes up the run
I'm not exactly sure what's troubling you here, but most importantly you have to make sure that you have enough speed, or you won't make it.
The jump at around 1:11 - 1:12 to get to the platform with the artifical enemy i cant seem to do without a million tries
Well, that is really difficult and requires a lot of practice (and a bit of luck) :P
Near the end when you have to jump from the platform with the line of rings onto the rail, i always light dash even though i'm on the right
You can light dash the chain of rings. Doing so will make this part much easier for you, and you'll only lose about a quarter of a second.
And at the last chase part, i can't get a smooth landing at the beginning.
This comes from practice. Doing that part a lot of time will give you the feeling to know exactly when to release your bounce. And once you have that feeling, it won't go away. (I can do the smooth lading 100%)
I would of told you to not use some of these advanced tricks because their success rate is quite low, but if you're going for sub2:10, you will have no choice...
Side note: I haven't been able to do that loop trick in any mission in CE yet. Even with Brian's explanation... Damn, I sure suck. >_<
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thanks PoT. I shall try some of these and hope to sub 2:10. My best time right now is 2 19 which is pretty average for me. I know i could go lower but i'll try to focus on CE first
Thanks brian for the loop trick, now i can probably get the CE3 record before paragod (Yeah right). Or at least sub 1:10.
I was playing a bit of MH yesterday and found out how shit i am at it. I can barely even beat my old time of 1:20. I found a trick that is around a second slower than the rocket superbounce but is a LOT easier to pull off. I usually hit the spring at around 11-11:50. I get the 2nd checkpoint at 22, but get the last one at 44-45.
So, I managed a 1:11:65. this seems pretty bad, but i got a 37.8 checkpoint which i thought was crap. Looks like the loop trick worked, thanks brian. I shall try to sub 1:09 before paragod.
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I'll do my best to prevent you from taking my CE sweep!
What do you feel is your maximum potential for the mission? Mine is definitely 1:06 if I can tie my best first check time, which is 35.8.
As for the trick... I got it to work twice during practice without too much trouble, but then when I play for a record run of course it never works :( Hopefully soon...because 1:09 sucks so much!!
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1:06 holy crap. I think my complete and utter best would be a high 1:07 or low 1:08. But that's with no mistakes throughout the whole run. My best 1st checkpoint time is around 36.3 which isn't too good, but i don't use the rails at the stair parts, I use the stairs and can always manage a high 36 with no mistakes.
The trick works for me most times. It's just sometimes i jump too late and the loop pushes me back so i can't homing attack on the spot.
I feel the same way. So even if i make a few mistakes i keep going because sometimes it works. I shall try to sub 1:09 before you get back to your peek and completely own CE3
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No problem talon :), as I can see the competition has begun, so let's see who'll be the first of you to get sub 1:09, I don't think I'll be able to do so, but I'll give it a try whenever I can.
And PoT, I'm sure you just need some pratice to get this trick to work, I'll tape a partial run to show you exactly what I do, and to show how to do the turn trick at the truck part.
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ahhh, So far i have done no better than my 1:11. The most annoying thing was, i had around 1:09 XX. and i missed the chao (Secretly cries).
So after failing for a an hour I MISSED THE FUCKING CHAO AGAIN, and ended up with 1:11:25. I shall try again for 2moz. How's urs coming along paragod
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Oh... so you've done it Para :D, got any video? It's a great time, now you'll have a tough record to beat talon :)
Edit: Great time on M5! I really didn't saw that coming so fast :D
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Ahhh man. 1:08 without even landing on the chao, yeah im pretty much screwed unless i practice all day 2day. Right now i'll aim to beat you but if i can't, 2nd is good enough.
I was going to do a PC1 run, but i can't get the glitch to work, so i'll probably just do a clean run and aim to sub 2 minutes
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I'm gone for like 2 days and I only come back to see some heavy improvement in City Escape!!
Awesome times Paragod, even if they're not that perfect for you. I remember you saying 1:39 on CE5 would be as perfect as 1:36 on CE1, so if that still counts, you're pretty close!!
I played the game yesterday and I noticed I improved quite a bit. I got a 1:49:xx with a nice run and being sent off flying off 2 hills at the truck chase. Yeah, I can definitely smell a 1:45!!
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I really dont see how you can do it much faster than me. I copy EXACTLY what you do and im still getting 2:08 lol.
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So i had a go at CE1 again and the first time i tried i got 1:44 :). The only thing was that it is 1:44:52 which is not good enough to beat jawzun. 0.03 seconds slower. I got a 1:25 checkpoint at the end and had an awesome truck chase.
I still can't figure out how to get past the speed panels before the truck chase. When will the video be ready Brian cause i would really like to know
I shall try my PC1 time to be one of the fastest without the door glitch since i still can't get through it.
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Wow, thanks Brian, FR7, talon :) The M5 run was cool, I never expected an improvement in just 20 minutes of playing. I taped the run, perhaps we'll see an upload. I had a great building and truck chase unlike my old 1:44 video, but the biggest mistake was missing the long rail before the building drop, but I corrected that pretty quick. My first check was also only 34.9 (I believe) with my best being around 34.4. The run was good, but overall it looks rusty compared to how good I used to be. 1:39 would still be a crazy time! About as perfect as 1:36 M1 as I said. Also, I am ashamed to admit it but my old 1:42.00 CE5 was done with restarting at the last checkpoint... I should of never even submitted it. Doesn't matter now though, because my new time is checkpoint free, of course!
For CE3, I used the 35 sec checkpoint only cause the stupid loop trick rarely works, so I am pretty ashamed of this time :( Plus I don't like the time cause it was not even close to being perfect and missing the chao...On the bright side though, I had a 35.74 first check, a new record for me! I have no idea how low it can go, maybe 35.5. Remember that my 1:36 CE1 has a 36 check, so there's some improvment there further proving 1:35 is possible, but totally insane.
Call me crazy, but I want to improve CE1... :P Most likely not 1:35, but if I nailed that I think I'd die of shock and no one would know I got it...maybe I can get 1:36.5, but I really doubt it. The best I have managed last night was 1:39 or so, its really hard to get everything right for 1:36.
Yeah, I can definitely smell a 1:45!!
I can too!! Go FR MASTA!!!!!!!
I shall try my PC1 time to be one of the fastest without the door glitch since i still can't get through it.
That would be 1:52.92, which kinda sucks because I know how to get 1:50 now with my new trick, but nonetheless it will be a challenge! Sub 2 would be really good too, 1:59 was the record for a long time til I came about. Goodluck with that, as well as Sub 1:08 CE3..or second place. Whichever you can manage.
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1 52 92. Hmm, that seems like a far stretch from my 2:11, but your 1 35 video will help me get a sub 2 minutes. Can you see my SA2B times and see if there good, cause im not sure if they are.
I shall give CE a rest for now since 1 11 25 for CE3 and 1 44 52 for CE1 is good for now. My 2 11 on CE5 is pretty bad but i'll improve that after.
It looks like ur getting back to your old form rapidly, so you might beat your old record by the end of the year definetely. Never doubt yourself, you can do it.
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I checked out all your times, they're excellent for somebody that just started. CE is exceptionally good for a newcomer, 1:44 and 1:11 are top times! 3rd and 4th place.. I think that is quite good, you shouldn't need me to assure you of that :P
You have plenty of potential, I gladly look forward to see what kind of times you can obtain. Skillful players are always good to have around! :) That makes 4 of us now.. Brian, FR7, Me, and you! And to think that back when I was crazily good there was nobody else to challenge me.. too bad you guys weren't around back then, maybe i'd of been more competitive in taking the records back. For example I haven't had much interest in taking radical highway back, but back then I'd of probably been good enough to nail a 1:41 with Brian's great tricks.
thanks for the encouragement, I am definitely getting better but I played so much back then, it would take a few weeks of playing a hour or two everyday to regain all of my lost skill. As it is I've just been playing about a half an hour every few days, so for that I have been doing quite well for being rusty.
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Thanks. It's just i need to be assured by an elite player. I wouldn't exactly say your rusty, but rather something like your almost in your best shape.
I'm glad you think of me as a challenging player, i'm probably the worst out of brian PoT and you (Lol), but with a bit of practice i'll get there. When you were good, wasn't there yoshifan to compete with.
So, i'll start to play PC1 and FR1 for a little bit. Good luck with CE and the rest of your SA2B times
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I'm definitely rusty, but slowly I am starting to shine once again.
You're not the worst of us, just the least experienced. You said it yourself, "with practice i'll get there." The only way I would consider you worse than us is if once you're experienced with lots of practice, you still cannot perform as well as us. :P Based on that theory, Brian is definitely the best of all of us at the moment. He's been here for barely a year, and already he has beaten a lot of my times and has come up with more shortcuts and tricks than we'd of ever thought of.
Brian = SA2 times GOD
In my opinion, our elite 4:
1. Brian
2. Paragod
3. FR7
4. talon
FR7 could be #2, but he only puts full effort into the final levels which holds him back. And talon, is well on his way to moving up if he continues to improve himself at such a fast rate!
;)
Oh, yeah yoshifan was around back then, but he was more of an all-round player, while I was all about sonic and shadow levels so he wasn't really able to compete with me there since I was focusing so much time on just those. If he played them as much as me, he would have been great competition.
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Wow, i'm glad you think i'm in the elite group of players. I'm not fully experienced. Before i came to the site, i wasn't really good. My times would have barely been yellow apart from city escape and crazy gadget which i was pretty good at. I didn't even know how to do the most basic tricks until i watched yoshifan's videos. I always thought of him as my idol and i still do. I think he is awesome at anything that he tries. Not to down you and brian. You guys are a really close 2nd and 3rd and the tricks you guys find are awesome. I don't really find tricks, but i usually perform then really well like the loop trick, i can perform almost every single time or at the end of crazy gadget, i get to the goal 100% of the time, but i can never find a new trick.
I've seen that brian is really good. His GF1 time is awesome. How he did that is beyond me. I found it really close to call who is better. PoT's final rush time will be the best until the end of time (Until someone finds a glitch to demolish FR).
I think i am improving at a good pace, but i have trouble being consistent. Like it took me around 50 lives to get between 1:11-1:13 runs on CE3, but i'm sure that will come eventually. At the end of the year, I shall hold records for sonic and shadow. I have a few that i have spotted that i could possibly snatch eventually, but i can't really say before you guys improve it and basically leave me looking like a dick.
I have to start making videos, but my screen is messed up and my wii has some glitches on it which makes it useless. I think i'll start with a proof video showing my times so you actually know that i'm not BSing. But after that, i think i'll start with CE once i submit all my times. And get in the top 10 in the rankings for SA2B.
Anyways, I got a 2:02 on my PC1 run after around 30 minutes of playing it which i think is ok, but i made some horrible mistakes. Still cant get the door glitch to work, but i think i'll stick with just playing through it normally.
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I've been trying to get better lately. I've mainly been doing Hidden base and PC. I'm not that good, but I've been trying out different things and just using my basic knowledge.
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Thank you very much Paragod, but I don't think I'm a times GOD, you(at least in Sonic/Shadow stages) and yoshifan does, and you Talon surely is one of the players with better potential in SA2B, you're getting so great times, even though you're just a newcomer :D. And I agree with Talon Para, you're not rusty, if you can nail a 1:39 on CE, then you probably aren't rusty xD.
You're getting so good times in CE Talon, I think you should put all of your effort on it first, you try other stages later. Also, Paragod, I'm really excited too see your video, man... you simply OWNS at getting to the first check fast, in M1 I got a 36:22 check once, which is my best so far. I simply don't understand why you can't get the loop trick to work, maybe with a detailed video you'll get the knack easy :)
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Lol Para, didn't you also get the 2:13 or 2:12 in FR with only playing for a new minutes? And some other records as well? I think you should do more sessions like that XD
Yeah, imagine us 4 being here in 2006-2007, we would of smashed the records so hard, 99% of the people here wouldn't even dare to try themselves at it!!! Oh well, better we have met now (late 2008 onwards) than never, right? I'm happy with how it is now anyways.
I can too!! Go FR MASTA!!!!!!!
YES I CAN DO IT!!! FINARUSH NEVER STOPS!!!!
I agree with talon that Paragod is on his way back to the glory days of destroying everything that got in his hands, and hes's about 70-80% there?
Consistency in playing is the most important thing I believe... it is better for me to play half an hour daily than to play 3 hours straight during the weekend.
Thanks. It's just i need to be assured by an elite player.
I'm not exactly the elite player here, but I can definitely tell you that your times are very good for a newcomer.
Dare I say: NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHING!!
1. Brian
2. Paragod
3. FR7
4. talon
While I agree with this list, I think it should be said that there's drastical niveau difference between me and Paragod. <_<
Para and I are both Sonic/Shadow players, and when you compare our stats and times, he has a huge advantage.
Yoshifan is great anyways. There's no doubt about it. He's got the natural talent that enables him to get awesome times while most probably trying less than we have to. He's just recently proven that he can compete with us when he got some awesome times in Final Chase and I had to go back and reclaim my record. Now just imagine if he gave it his all....
Though yoshi's in the position of the champion of SA2 (something brian should go for at some point, paragod too, but I think he dislikes the hunting/shooting stages) so whether he is first or second place is a stat doesn't matter as much to him as it does to us, because it's just one point he's losing... And he's got a lot of records anyways.
I've been trying to get better lately. I've mainly been doing Hidden base and PC. I'm not that good, but I've been trying out different things and just using my basic knowledge.
Lol. Well, that came sorta out of nowhere, but competition is always kindly welcomed!
you simply OWNS at getting to the first check fast,
Not just that. He simply owns everyone and everything when it comes to City Escape. It's his trademark level, so he should be invincible there.
Just like Brian's Green forest. But I wonder why he still doesn't have the M5 record. If Paragod easily lost 5 seconds in his 1:37 run, and the record is at 1:34, then Brian should be able to get that.
I'd like to say that Final Rush is my trademark level, but I only have the M1 record. I'll give it my all this week to at least get the M3 one!!!
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Thanks PoT. It's been my gaming dream to compete with the best of the best at these games. So after school, i am going to go for CE1 and CE1 sub 1:40 and Sub 1:10. Then i need to get all orange times at least and hold at least 1 record. Most of my times i want to be in the top 10 but i really don't like the shooting levels since i think there too slow and boring IMO. The hunting stages are pretty fun and i shall try to get in the top 10 for them unless its a DC only glitch then i shall try to get in the red. The sonic and shadow levels i hope to be in the top 5 and maybe even get a record. I shall try to get all avadiable rings in the game and get ok scores. The bosses will be slightly annoying but i shall try.
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Yeah, imagine us 4 being here in 2006-2007, we would of smashed the records so hard, 99% of the people here wouldn't even dare to try themselves at it!!! Oh well, better we have met now (late 2008 onwards) than never, right? I'm happy with how it is now anyways.
Sure, it would be really awesome if we have met in 2007, most of the records would be ours xD.
Thanks. It's just i need to be assured by an elite player.
I'm not exactly the elite player here, but I can definitely tell you that your times are very good for a newcomer.
Dare I say: NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHING!!
I agree with PoT, when you said you wanted to get sub 1:40 in CE, you made me come back to the first post of this topic, you are acting like PoT when he got here his first time :), you're already a great player dude :D.
I've been trying to get better lately. I've mainly been doing Hidden base and PC. I'm not that good, but I've been trying out different things and just using my basic knowledge.
That's how you'll become a great player, even if you think you cannot get the "X" record, as the time passes you'll notice that you are getting closer to it, then you'll look back and think about what you said xD
Not just that. He simply owns everyone and everything when it comes to City Escape. It's his trademark level, so he should be invincible there.
Just like Brian's Green forest. But I wonder why he still doesn't have the M5 record. If Paragod easily lost 5 seconds in his 1:37 run, and the record is at 1:34, then Brian should be able to get that.
I'd like to say that Final Rush is my trademark level, but I only have the M1 record. I'll give it my all this week to at least get the M3 one!!!
Yeah, CE really is his signature stage, as you in FR and me in GF, each of us have a great history with these stages, Paragod really got this stage really close to perfection, leaving a 8 seconds gap between him and the 2nd place, you came here and said: Hey bro this level will be mine got it? And after a really amazing competition you got it :D, me... well GF was my first record here, and it made me go to the LD xD, and more than that, it made me know Para and Jawzun :D. Talking about GF, I haven't tried the mission 5 :p, at least not in DC, if I could get a DC again, I would get this record, with some new tricks and a better overall gameplay :), I only play GF for fun now, my only goal in this stage is get sub 1:30 in GC(I have low 1:30), if I got it I'll tape the run and put here for you guys :)
Then i need to get all orange times at least and hold at least 1 record. Most of my times i want to be in the top 10 but i really don't like the shooting levels since i think there too slow and boring IMO. The hunting stages are pretty fun and i shall try to get in the top 10 for them unless its a DC only glitch then i shall try to get in the red. The sonic and shadow levels i hope to be in the top 5 and maybe even get a record. I shall try to get all avadiable rings in the game and get ok scores. The bosses will be slightly annoying but i shall try.
Hahahahahahaa you reminded myself when I got here xD, I though the better I would get was a 9th place or so. But don't let any DC only glitch intimidates you, keep this in mind: I have only 2 times done in DC: My GF M1 record and my Meteor Herd M3 time. And a better example is yoshifan, he never played the DC version and is the CHAMPION!!! You can get to the top without playing in DC :)
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Wow, i've been improving today beating a few of my records. I decided to play MH for a while as well as WC. They're getting better and so am i.
What's the best way to provide proof since i don't want anyone to think that i'm cheating.
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Great man :) keep improving them, this way you'll get to the top 10 very fast. Also you can take photos of your times, it's a good way to prove your stats, but you don't need to do this right now, since we trust you enough, but a proof video will keep people away from you xD
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all proof can be faked (including videos) but video proof is the best way if somebody questions your ability. Pictures suck, not only are they easy for cheaters to fake, but if the person is legit we don't get the enjoyment of seeing their skill in action.. imagine if I only had a picture of 1:36 CE1, look at what you'd be missing! No awesome video to enjoy, and to use as a guide to improve yourself.
Personally, I trust you talon. I have great judgment and I can tell if a person is genuine or not just by reading what they have to say. From your posts on the forum and any other comments I've read from you, I have no problem believing all of the times you have claimed, and will claim in the future. If you want to make videos that is great, I highly suggest you do so. But do so for our enjoyment, not for the sake of proving yourself, because to me you have already proved yourself as a good guy.
Great new records by the way :) you will be at the top in no time at this rate. I've said this before to Brian and others, but click on my stat history and look at where I started..pretty low!
Anyway to reply to what FR/Brian said..man there's a lot to read and say!
Yeah it would be cool if we were all here in my best days.. but like FR said its okay that we were not, we're here now and we enjoy our little competition and our awesome topic!Plus my skill can definitely become again what it once was, to compete with Brian and maybe FR in the final levels :P. The 70-80% estimate is just about right, I am getting close!
Thank you very much Paragod, but I don't think I'm a times GOD, you(at least in Sonic/Shadow stages) and yoshifan does,
nah man you're as good as me at sonic/shadow, probably better. you just haven't put full effort into all the stages yet...once you do, you'll beat me in every one. and I still really think you're overall better than yoshifan at SA2B times, its just amazing how you're good at all 3 types of levels, and you've been here for so little time.. you've beaten yoshifan in lots of levels, and I know you could beat him in any that you pull full effort into. He may have more records than you now, but your potential allows you to have more than him once you put enough free time to put into it.
I simply don't understand why you can't get the loop trick to work, maybe with a detailed video you'll get the knack easy :)
I don't know either, I watch jawzun's video but it takes me probably 30 minutes to get through the loop once. It is really irritating, because I could get 1:06 within MINUTES if it was not for the damn trick not working!! A video in depth would be great. Also, if you could make that pyramid cave video showing shortcuts I did not use would be great too, I have been putting off improving pyramid cave because why waste time playing if there's time savers I don't know about?
By the way I got 1:37.7 on CE1 last night... I don't know what to think of the run, but everything was pretty good. I think I landed from the building drop faster than my 1:36, but something happened at the end to lose time but I can't tell what. Still cool because...well... it's my first and only 1:37 run of the level! Now I have 1:36, 1:37, 1:38, 1:39, 1:40... 1:41.. 1:42...and so on :P
YES I CAN DO IT!!! FINARUSH NEVER STOPS!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P This must be true, or else I'd of never lost FR1.....
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Thank you Para :)
Anyway to reply to what FR/Brian said..man there's a lot to read and say!
Hahahahahaha now you know what happens every time I wake up and see lots of posts of you guys xD
I don't know either, I watch jawzun's video but it takes me probably 30 minutes to get through the loop once. It is really irritating, because I could get 1:06 within MINUTES if it was not for the damn trick not working!! A video in depth would be great. Also, if you could make that pyramid cave video showing shortcuts I did not use would be great too, I have been putting off improving pyramid cave because why waste time playing if there's time savers I don't know about?
I'll tape them tomorrow, it's a promise :D
By the way I got 1:37.7 on CE1 last night... I don't know what to think of the run, but everything was pretty good. I think I landed from the building drop faster than my 1:36, but something happened at the end to lose time but I can't tell what. Still cool because...well... it's my first and only 1:37 run of the level! Now I have 1:36, 1:37, 1:38, 1:39, 1:40... 1:41.. 1:42...and so on :P
That's a great thing! This means our living legend is getting close to his better shape again ;)
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That means more for a challenge for us. Well, for me anyways. So i'll make a proof video of all my times, even though i know that it's just the screen. I haven't faked any of my times. I do have an action replay, but it broke and i put it in my attic.
I'm also thinking off making videos that aren't as fast as my times, but just good enough to stop people doubting my times. Is that good enough for the admins on the site?
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Hey bro this level will be mine got it? And after a really amazing competition you got it :D
I didn't say it exactly like that, but that's one of the best quotes I've ever heard!!
I agree with PoT, when you said you wanted to get sub 1:40 in CE, you made me come back to the first post of this topic, you are acting like PoT when he got here his first time
Yes, setting a goal, believing in it, and practicing like mad gets you said record/goal.
~~Never gonna give you up...~~ Why did rickroll come to my mind when I typed the sentence above? <_<
Sure, it would be really awesome if we have met in 2007, most of the records would be ours xD.
There's 121 single records in total in the time division, and out of these 121
Para has 14 records atm
Brian has 28 records atm
and I have 4
so we already have 46 together.
15 more and we (no, more accurately you two) will RULE!!
Anyway to reply to what FR/Brian said..man there's a lot to read and say!
That's actually really awesome. The first thing I think of when I turn on the PC at work is if and what you guys have been talking about while I was asleep!
That's a great thing! This means our living legend is getting close to his better shape again ;)
Yes! I'm smelling unstoppable-ness!
I'm also thinking off making videos that aren't as fast as my times, but just good enough to stop people doubting my times. Is that good enough for the admins on the site?
Not sure, but I think so.
Paragod is longtime very well known player here, and Brian's just so awesome, and I'm also known very slightly, so if these 3 people can tell them that you are not cheating, there's no way they're gonna doubt you. (Y)
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Hey bro this level will be mine got it? And after a really amazing competition you got it :D
I didn't say it exactly like that, but that's one of the best quotes I've ever heard!!
Yeah xD, I've putted it in Ghetto style
Sure, it would be really awesome if we have met in 2007, most of the records would be ours xD.
There's 121 single records in total in the time division, and out of these 121
Para has 14 records atm
Brian has 28 records atm
and I have 4
so we already have 46 together.
15 more and we (no, more accurately you two) will RULE!!
I haven't noticed this :O, it's a great amount of records in our hands :D, you have 4 'cause you don't stages other than the "final" ones xD
I'm also thinking off making videos that aren't as fast as my times, but just good enough to stop people doubting my times. Is that good enough for the admins on the site?
Not sure, but I think so.
Paragod is longtime very well known player here, and Brian's just so awesome, and I'm also known very slightly, so if these 3 people can tell them that you are not cheating, there's no way they're gonna doubt you. (Y)
Agreed
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you have 4 'cause you don't stages other than the "final" ones xD
Well I should actually have 8.. <_<
And yeah, I'd be the SA2:B time champion with 0 points if the stages were called:
Final Escape**
Final Canyon**
Final Lane**
Final Harbor
Final Forest**
Final Hill**
Final Street*
Final Mine
Final 101**
Final Base*
Final Cave
Final Chamber**
Final Engine*
Final Herd
Final Gadget
Final Rush*
Final Gate*
Final Lagoon**
Final Ocean
Final Highway*
Final Quarters*
Final Colony
Final Bed**
Final Hall*
Final Jungle
Final 280
Final Rail
Final Space
Final Wall*
Final Chase
Final Core*
Final Hill** (again <_<)
* sounds awesome
** sounds bad..
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LMAO, btw I've taped a CE M3 run, my time was exactly the same I submitted 6 months ago o.O
(Back to taping)
Edit: I did the PC video too, I'll upload both in a few hours :D
Edit2: Pyramid Cave video is UP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mysxBBj750A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mysxBBj750A)
Final Edit: City Escape Mission 3 is UP too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQdJWiMmofk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQdJWiMmofk)
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Appears that talon is banned. <_<
Oh well, I'm responding to the posts later. Thanks for the video Brian!!
EDIT: http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=4493.0
Oh man...
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XD @ final
On "Final Escape" do you think you could get that perfect 1:35 that I cannot?
talon is banned? either they hastily banned him for stupid reasons(like how they deleted all of your SA2B stats) or my judgment really sucks after all.
There's 121 single records in total in the time division, and out of these 121
Para has 14 records atm
Brian has 28 records atm
and I have 4
so we already have 46 together.
that's really cool, if me and Brian push ourselves to the limit we could probably grab at least 80 or 100 of them! 46 is still really cool, we should go for at least over half (61)
Hahahahahaha now you know what happens every time I wake up and see lots of posts of you guys xD
hehe yeah, now I know exactly how you feel. its pretty intimidating trying to read everything and reply to it.
Brian, thank you very much for uploading the two videos! I tried something similar to the first cut you did, and I really don't know if that saves time or not. The rail thing would be a little faster if it works, and the final sideways-loop skip would definitely be a good time cut, I thought about bounceballing it but for some reason I never thought of just rolling right into the wall and bouncing like you did. I will practice that one for sure! I understand what you say to do on CE3, I really hope it starts to work more often.
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I assure you there was absolutely no mistake in banning talon, he's a BSer who's had about 20 accounts now. If you feel you need more explanation, come in the chat and talk to me, or PM me, I'm sure I can prove this to your satisfaction.
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either they hastily banned him for stupid reasons(like how they deleted all of your SA2B stats) or my judgment really sucks after all.
We had good reasons to delete PoT's SA2B statistics. Please, stop talking nonsense if you don't know what is going on.
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talon is banned? either they hastily banned him for stupid reasons(like how they deleted all of your SA2B stats) or my judgment really sucks after all.
Man... I really didn't saw that coming, I never though about such thing, Talon banned...
There's 121 single records in total in the time division, and out of these 121
Para has 14 records atm
Brian has 28 records atm
and I have 4
so we already have 46 together.
that's really cool, if me and Brian push ourselves to the limit we could probably grab at least 80 or 100 of them! 46 is still really cool, we should go for at least over half (61)
Yeah, that's a great goal for us now :D
Brian, thank you very much for uploading the two videos! I tried something similar to the first cut you did, and I really don't know if that saves time or not. The rail thing would be a little faster if it works, and the final sideways-loop skip would definitely be a good time cut, I thought about bounceballing it but for some reason I never thought of just rolling right into the wall and bouncing like you did. I will practice that one for sure! I understand what you say to do on CE3, I really hope it starts to work more often.
No Problem, I really don't know if the first trick saves time, but the other 2 does :). Now I think it's time for me to tape a Tails/Eggman speedrun
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I assure you there was absolutely no mistake in banning talon, he's a BSer who's had about 20 accounts now. If you feel you need more explanation, come in the chat and talk to me, or PM me, I'm sure I can prove this to your satisfaction.
That's ok on my part. I trust your judgement, especially when you say there's no mistake.
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They have enough proof of his actions as a BSer, so there's only the 3 of us again :/
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I guess I'll take their word for it too.. but damn he sure did sound honest to me.
3 of us, yeah. oh well.. a new crazily skilled player will definitely pop up someday.
by the way FRM( FR masta) did you know according to the forum stats this is the 4th most replied to topic? at around 505 posts now.. the most popular topic is 795, so very soon you will have THE most replied to topic on the site. AWESOME man!!!!!
I sure do love this topic, we have such great discussions! this topic cannot EVER die!
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3 of us, yeah. oh well.. a new crazily skilled player will definitely pop up someday.
I hope so :P
by the way FRM( FR masta) did you know according to the forum stats this is the 4th most replied to topic? at around 505 posts now.. the most popular topic is 795, so very soon you will have THE most replied to topic on the site. AWESOME man!!!!!
Yeah! PoT Sa2B surely owe you a big one :D. If you don't started this topic how many records wouldn't be beaten :O
I sure do love this topic, we have such great discussions! this topic cannot EVER die!
We've made so great things just 'cause this topic was created, it's already an epic topic.
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We had good reasons to delete PoT's SA2B statistics. Please, stop talking nonsense if you don't know what is going on.
I just saw this, and I say BS. Name me 1 good reason why it is a good idea to delete the stats from somebody that is not faking their times? If talon is a cheater, whatever..he seemed innocent to me, but I don't know him so well so it's not impossible that he cheats. But we all know PoT is the real deal, so how in the world can you say his stats justified being deleted??
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by the way FRM( FR masta) did you know according to the forum stats this is the 4th most replied to topic? at around 505 posts now.. the most popular topic is 795, so very soon you will have THE most replied to topic on the site. AWESOME man!!!!!
No, I didn't know that, CEM (CE masta :D)! Though I did notice that we're reaching 20000 views soon.
Where can you see these forum stats?
I sure do love this topic, we have such great discussions! this topic cannot EVER die!
Agreed. Most awesome topic ever.
Yeah! PoT Sa2B surely owe you a big one :D. If you don't started this topic how many records wouldn't be beaten :O
You're right. Final Rush, Final Chase and Pyramid Cave are already down. Not to mention the loop trick of CE. And we found the reason why Metal Harbor's record got down. That's a lot already (and that's not even all, I think), considering mostly a topic revolves about a single level or mission, if at all.
Talking about the loop trick, I can get it done now consistently, so thank you very much, Brian!! It sure helped me. I got a 1:03:65 yesterday with a decent run, that's much better than my rusty and old 1:39 <_<
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We had good reasons to delete PoT's SA2B statistics. Please, stop talking nonsense if you don't know what is going on.
I just saw this, and I say BS. Name me 1 good reason why it is a good idea to delete the stats from somebody that is not faking their times? If talon is a cheater, whatever..he seemed innocent to me, but I don't know him so well so it's not impossible that he cheats. But we all know PoT is the real deal, so how in the world can you say his stats justified being deleted??
I'm not losing more time with you. If you think that we TSC's administrators are unfair and don't like the way we deal with things, you are free to leave.
And a minute looks just better than 59 seconds <_< xD
Are you serious? :s I think that 0:59:XX looks way better than 1:00:XX. Breaking barriers is always a good thing.
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Of course breaking barriers is a good thing and it's awesome for the player who achieved it, but 1:00:xx looks much more attractive in my eyes than a 0:59:xx.
>_<
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Talking about the loop trick, I can get it done now consistently, so thank you very much, Brian!! It sure helped me. I got a 1:03:65 yesterday with a decent run, that's much better than my rusty and old 1:39 <_<
No problem :). BTW Man! Fix this typo in your post, I almost fell off my bed when I saw this time xD.
Where can you see these forum stats?
You can see by clicking in "more stats" at the very bottom of the forum index.
Of course breaking barriers is a good thing and it's awesome for the player who achieved it, but 1:00:xx looks much more attractive in my eyes than a 0:59:xx.
>_<
I have to agree with Zeupar here... when I first got the GF record I really wanted a sub 1:25 run, 'cause I really like to get sub xx:xx:xx. See Radical Highway M3, Rayku haven't said anything here, but I've talked to him and he's still trying to get sub 1 min
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Hmm, what typo? >_<
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Talking about the loop trick, I can get it done now consistently, so thank you very much, Brian!! It sure helped me. I got a 1:03:65 yesterday with a decent run, that's much better than my rusty and old 1:39 <_<
:P you must be a GOD, I swear 1:06/1:07 would have to be perfect!
(just kidding of course, we know you meant 1:13)
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Talking about the loop trick, I can get it done now consistently, so thank you very much, Brian!! It sure helped me. I got a 1:03:65 yesterday with a decent run, that's much better than my rusty and old 1:39 <_<
This, it was supposed to be "13" right? When I saw this I got to the index to see if your time was there, then later I saw the correct time at the New Stats page xD
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Well, I wonder what you guys will think of this....
City Escape - Mission 1- 1:37.8 (forgot exact decimal)
I BOUNCED ON ONE OF THE HILLS IN THE TRUCK CHASE!! who knows what I would of had! Mid or maybe even low 1:36 for sure.. maybe 1:35?!?!
Doesn't matter too much anyway because I used checkpoint abuse (check #1) which I got 35.50, a new record for me.
I pretty much just kept playing to see what I'd get, because I was so amazed at a 35.5 first check. Now imagine all this in a checkpoint free run.. 1:35 can happen! I also used Brian's trick on the truck chase, spindashing the first left turn skipping the speed panels.
Is this even possible to do on the U-Turn? I can't see any way to, you run out of spindash charge before you loop around to the next hill plus skillfully its really hard regardless of that limitation.
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What!!!!! That would be the most awesome run ever(maybe not compared to your 1:36 which was check free), it obviously could be a sub 1:35! I really really want to see it if you have taped it, if you don't want to put it on youtube just upload the file to media fire or something else.
You did it? I only could do it a few times, it saved time for you? I think it wouldn't be a good idea to try to do this in the U turn 'cause it's too hard to do in a great run, I really won't try it if I'm on an amazing run.
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LOL I read through my post 5 times and didn't see that typo... >_<
XD, getting 1:03 with only a decent run, whereas 1:06 is perfect for you
Also, could it actually be that.... Paragod is IMPROVING?!?!?!????!!??!??!!?!? 1:35 can definitely happen, but will you be as crazy to do that?
How consistent are you at getting that 35.5 checkpoint?
I've been trying the Uturn trick yesterday without any success, you'd have to start the spindash like 1 frame before you touch the first speed panels, and seeing as the camera is in front of you...
I BOUNCED ON ONE OF THE HILLS IN THE TRUCK CHASE!!
You would've already beaten your record if it wasn't for that... :(
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I do have it on tape.
I find that dashing the left turn is actually easier to do than trying to line up with the middle of the road and hit the panels, but the U-Turn seems impossible to me, so I won't be doing that one.
LOL I read through my post 5 times and didn't see that typo... >_<
Poor FRM might be going blind :( As hard as we concentrate trying to play this damn game, it's a wonder we're not all blind yet.
How consistent are you at getting that 35.5 checkpoint?
Well it was the first and only time getting .5, so it will probably be quite rare unfortunately. I get get a sub 36 check 80% of the time though if everything goes well. It's usually 35.8 or .9 though, sub .7 is rare.
I would of had a new record for sure, but I used the checkpoint and I used about 40 lives, so I doubt I'd want to submit that over my checkfree run, because it would suck in comparison, even if I did get the 1:35... Yes, I think I am finally improving, getting a perfect checkfree run doesn't seem such a challenge as it used to, I feel that my consistency is going to be better than way back then when I played. 1:35? I think I could actually achieve this without playing for 500 hours like I thought I would have to, maybe 5-10?? but we'll see if I am up for that.
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LOL I read through my post 5 times and didn't see that typo... >_<
It seems that your rush for the FR record gave you some injuries, don't you follow the things that are in the instructions booklet(someone really follow that xD): You need to rest after some hours of play, or else you'll have a seizure that makes you shake like James Brown. Stop doing this or I'll tell your mom.
SERIOUS AGAIN
I do have it on tape.
So can you upload the video file to somewhere, I really want to see the truck part and the part before the first check :D
I find that dashing the left turn is actually easier to do than trying to line up with the middle of the road and hit the panels, but the U-Turn seems impossible to me, so I won't be doing that one.
Really, I haven't tried it so many times, but it seems to be hard for me to do it :/, the U turn is easy for me if you are doing it touching the speed pads, I said it is very hard, but without touching them.
Well it was the first and only time getting .5, so it will probably be quite rare unfortunately. I get get a sub 36 check 80% of the time though if everything goes well. It's usually 35.8 or .9 though, sub .7 is rare.
That's amazing, I usually get a 37 check, and a 36 check is very rare LOL
I would of had a new record for sure, but I used the checkpoint and I used about 40 lives, so I doubt I'd want to submit that over my checkfree run, because it would suck in comparison, even if I did get the 1:35... Yes, I think I am finally improving, getting a perfect checkfree run doesn't seem such a challenge as it used to, I feel that my consistency is going to be better than way back then when I played. 1:35? I think I could actually achieve this without playing for 500 hours like I thought I would have to, maybe 5-10?? but we'll see if I am up for that.
Yeah, your 1:36 run would still be better, but if you feel you can beat it in a check free run, then do it! We really want to see you beating a near unbeatable run again :D
PS:I'm sure it would be a 1:34 instead of 1:35, you flied off the hill once, and even if you corrected the mistake fast, you probably lost more than 1 second.
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XD briiiiiiiiiiaaaaan's non-serious mode was funny :P
I got a new record today...unfortunately not a level record, but I got to the first check on CE1 in 35.32! What a jump, everything felt really perfect. I used 70 lives and tried to get a 1:35, but of course no luck. :( Just for fun of course, I wouldn't dare submit a 1:35 that had me using 70 lives ;)
So can you upload the video file to somewhere, I really want to see the truck part and the part before the first check :D
I'll definitely upload CE5 1:40, and my new CE beginning run (first check 35.32) for you, but unfortunately it will probably be a while thanks to some technical issues :(
Really, I haven't tried it so many times, but it seems to be hard for me to do it :/, the U turn is easy for me if you are doing it touching the speed pads, I said it is very hard, but without touching them.
I can do the U-turn if I touch the pads too, but otherwise it's either impossible or far beyond my ability. I think touching the pads is a big waste of time anyway though, you gotta do it padless.
Nah there's no way flying off the hill cost me a 1:34, it would of been a high 1:35 at very best. Remember I got 1:37.8, 2 seconds lost is 1:35.8. Since I didn't go very high in the air, I didn't lose as much time as you'd think.
I'll try my very best for a perfect checkfree 1:35, but failing that a low-mid 1:36 would be a nice improvement :)
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I got a new record today...unfortunately not a level record, but I got to the first check on CE1 in 35.32! What a jump, everything felt really perfect. I used 70 lives and tried to get a 1:35, but of course no luck. :( Just for fun of course, I wouldn't dare submit a 1:35 that had me using 70 lives ;)
Great first check :O, I really though your 35.5 check was far beyond perfection, BTW you used the same strategy from your 1:36 run to get a 35 first check?
I'll definitely upload CE5 1:40, and my new CE beginning run (first check 35.32) for you, but unfortunately it will probably be a while thanks to some technical issues :(
Awesome, no matter how much time it takes, but I really can't wait for them >_<
Nah there's no way flying off the hill cost me a 1:34, it would of been a high 1:35 at very best. Remember I got 1:37.8, 2 seconds lost is 1:35.8. Since I didn't go very high in the air, I didn't lose as much time as you'd think.
Yeah, maybe you're right, sometimes when you have so much speed you don't fly so high, and you can get to the floor faster.
I'll try my very best for a perfect checkfree 1:35, but failing that a low-mid 1:36 would be a nice improvement :)
Go for it man! Even if you get a low 1:36 first, you'll get a 1:35 anyway :D. I'm sure you'll get your 1:35 soon, don't give up Paragod sensei.
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It seems that your rush for the FR record gave you some injuries, don't you follow the things that are in the instructions booklet(someone really follow that xD): You need to rest after some hours of play, or else you'll have a seizure that makes you shake like James Brown. Stop doing this or I'll tell your mom.
Yeah, I still have post-traumatic mental disortion issues. Sure, the record was very important to me, but I guess I shouldn't have played for 2 months straight without eating or going out. xD
And I thought getting the record would be some sort of cure.. oh boy I was wrong!
serious again
Say, Paragod, when I started this topic, what would you have said if I told you that your CE1 record could go to 1:35? Or that your first check alone could be improved by a whole second?
I mean WTF? 35.32 first check? For a second I though you were joking, that's like one of the biggest improvements considering your 1:36 looked perfect at the time!
Btw, I'm going to make the absolutely ridicolous assumption of CE1 once going sub1:30! If it happens, you can call me THE ONE WHO SAW IT COMING. If it doesn't happen, then I'm just a crazy idiot.
Also, I'm basing said assumption off of absolutely nothing.
EDIT: 20000 views!! Celebration time?
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Btw, I'm going to make the absolutely ridicolous assumption of CE1 once going sub1:30! If it happens, you can call me THE ONE WHO SAW IT COMING. If it doesn't happen, then I'm just a crazy idiot.
Also, I'm basing said assumption off of absolutely nothing.
It's a near impossible thing to happen, but as I said: Near impossible, Paragod can get 1:35 now, even sub 1:35 if everything goes perfectly, if we find some new tricks or improve the ones we already have, maybe he'll be able to get this ABSOLUTELY AMAZING INCREDIBLE AND EVERYTHING ELSE TIME :D
EDIT: 20000 views!! Celebration time?
Great! The number of replies is growing fast too, we'll have the 2nd most replied topic before the end of the year!!!
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Great first check :O, I really though your 35.5 check was far beyond perfection, BTW you used the same strategy from your 1:36 run to get a 35 first check?
exact some thing, just more optimization. I think half of the difference comes from the boarding part, on my 1:36 the boarding must have been bad since I landed at 27.0, usually I can land at sub 27, maybe 26.6-.8 or so.
Say, Paragod, when I started this topic, what would you have said if I told you that your CE1 record could go to 1:35? Or that your first check alone could be improved by a whole second?
I mean WTF? 35.32 first check? For a second I though you were joking, that's like one of the biggest improvements considering your 1:36 looked perfect at the time!
Well, I would say you're right if you told me it could go to 1:35, I knew it was possible the instant I got my 1:36 :P But I never thought it'd be within my reach, for sanity reasons. About 35.32, I'd probably of said it was possible since I on average got 35.8 checks when I was going for 1:36, so surely perfection and optimization could take it to 35.3, maybe even sub 35 perhaps if you do the B+A strategy on the set of rails after the boxes.
I was going to play some CE3 tonight but my mind doesn't feel like concentrating right now and all I can do isscrew up, it's kinda telling me "oh please not this again tonight.. maybe tomorrow" :P
Great! The number of replies is growing fast too, we'll have the 2nd most replied topic before the end of the year!!!
That will be so awesome!!! We should have the #1 spot soon thereafter, dominating once and for all time as the most popular topic to ever live on this site!!
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I did manage to play some radical highway though....(for about 10 mins) and M3 gave me 1:00.32! I got such a great improvement because I had a crazy time on the first check, faster than I've ever seen..and I don't even jump on the boxes, I just use the pulley.
26.62.
What first check did you have Brian? it's hard to tell from your video but it seems like it may be a little slower than mine...so maybe sub 1 min can be done!
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exact some thing, just more optimization. I think half of the difference comes from the boarding part, on my 1:36 the boarding must have been bad since I landed at 27.0, usually I can land at sub 27, maybe 26.6-.8 or so.
Oh great, I need to work on my beginning, my first check is 37 in average :/
I was going to play some CE3 tonight but my mind doesn't feel like concentrating right now and all I can do isscrew up, it's kinda telling me "oh please not this again tonight.. maybe tomorrow" :P
It's so frustating to me when I want to play but I simply don't want to do the same thing again, and again, and again, that's why I'm posting less times than I usually do(not to mention I have some very old times to submit)
That will be so awesome!!! We should have the #1 spot soon thereafter, dominating once and for all time as the most popular topic to ever live on this site!!
I wish we had more dudes with us here :D
I did manage to play some radical highway though....(for about 10 mins) and M3 gave me 1:00.32! I got such a great improvement because I had a crazy time on the first check, faster than I've ever seen..and I don't even jump on the boxes, I just use the pulley.
26.62.
What first check did you have Brian? it's hard to tell from your video but it seems like it may be a little slower than mine...so maybe sub 1 min can be done!
Good to see you playing RH again :), you got too close to the record, did you know rayku already got the record? He don't submitted it 'cause he said he would do this only if he got sub 1 min, he got too close, his time is 1:00:02 LOL. My best first check was on the chao mission, if you watch the video frame by frame you'll see that when I jump from the check, the timer changes to 26:72, so I got something like 26:67 or :69, this means you have the best first check in RH xD
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Oh, it's been a few posts, eh?
Paragod's new RH3 time is just awesome, he can take it sub1, I'm sure.
Oh well, I didn't feel like playing too much the last few days, but that changed today. What a mistake that I started with CE5. I was just able to confirm that I absolutely hate City Escape 5!! Even though I was able to get a decent time after like 50 tries, I still hate it. That set me in a bad mood and I wasn't able to do anything anymore.
On the good side, I've studied yoshi's FC2 video and noticed a lot of small parts that could get me the record. We'll see..
Also, I was able to get a 36 check for the first time in CE :D - too bad I fucked up not even 5 seconds later <_<
I wish we had more dudes with us here :D
I actually like it as it is. We got 200+ views in the last 2 days, so that's definitely a good sign. It just seems that most of the people who read this topic don't have anything worthwhile to say <_<
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From what I see in your CE video Brian you definitely make lots of mistakes at the beginning and still got 37, you can take it much lower.
Paragod's new RH3 time is just awesome, he can take it sub1, I'm sure.
I hope I can, I am almost required to if I want to beat Rayku! 1:00.02 is crazy.. he must have been VERY upset with this run since 59 is his goal :P I can definitely see improvement, I just have to make it to the first check at 26.6 again.. I know you think 1:00 looks better than 59, but personally I am all about getting the sub. I think subs are just awesome to go for, especially when its a minute barrier..59 would be awesome and the time itself would just be so perfect! When I got sub 1:01 I swore it was perfect and under 1:00 would unfortunately never happen even with TAS, but now it's a reality..wow!
thanks to brian/yoshi tricks :P
FRM man.. WHAT IN THE WORLD did CE5 do to upset you so much?!
I FUCKING HATE THIS FUCKING LEVEL!!!! GODDAMN IT
Wow! I know it's not as fun as M1, but it's not that much harder.. you went crazy with that comment! You seem to be more upset with the level than I get when I play for too long, which says a lot cause I get close to wanting to just take the game disc and destroy it! I need to calm down if I ever want to be as good as I was :(
Yeah FC2 must be able to go a fair amount lower.. I am really bad at the mission but I still got fairly close.
I like it how it is too, I don't like outsiders posting useless junk that has nothing to do with the game's competition, especially the ones that don't even play. I like it when new players join our elite group though, but sometimes we get a good player and...certain...uhh..people(??)...make them....disappear....for no good reason. I say ?? because of how... inhumanly idiotic and unfair they are, but me and FRM know all about that and only talk about it via PM so we don't get unfairly banned ;)
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Well Para, you could beat that guy and get a time of exactly one minute. :D
I don't know that CE5 did to me. I guess it's because I palyed M1 so many times (500+), my reflexes don't see all the different stuff coming, even if my brain orders my fingers to press a certain button. Also, I don't have the exact timing to destroy that robot blocking my path upstairs at around 0:50 for me <_<
I'm soon gonna try for the FC2 record, sub32 is definitely possible. Only thing that giving me trouble is the line of 4 rings on the tube near the end. Usually, when I light dash them, I get sent flying or get stuck somewhere and 3 seconds later Shadow falls to earth <_<
Gotta find out how to get around that..
Ooops Paragod, you crossed the line. You said WAY TOO MUCH! Have fun being banned ^_^
EDIT: Achieved sub1:17 on MH!!! AWESOMENESS! That was for you, Paragod..!
EDIT 2: I'm...improving? Green Forest? Seriously? No way, the MH time wasn't just a fluke?
I adjusted some display settings, mostly color and abstract on my TV and noticed how everything became much more beautiful :D
I was just playing through all Sonic/Shadow levels again to see how much more beautiful they had gotten, and I must say I'm really liking the green of Green Forest. >_< I thought why not speedrun it quickly for the hell of it? Man, I could even take this to sub1:32 (and maybe will)!
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1:16.50 on metal harbor for GC is AWESOME! Well done man! Yeah, sub 1:17 was my target for you and it's now accomplished! Great progress on FC2 as well, you've just about got it already.. a second and a half... 1:34 in the forest is great, I think my time was 1:32 something, but Brian just recently said he had a low 1:30 on GC and was gonna go for 1:29 which is crazy, but as I can see doable.
sounds like you're much more happy, and successful than you were last night with your uhh.. CE5 hellishly frustrated comment :P
Well Para, you could beat that guy and get a time of exactly one minute. :D
Knowing my luck, that's exactly what will happen. 1:00.00.
Only thing that giving me trouble is the line of 4 rings on the tube near the end. Usually, when I light dash them,
Yeah I remember having problems something like that, I'd dash the rings and fall off the tube for no reason. I think that's how it happened anyway... it's been years since I touched that mission. There were a few other things that made it hard for me too so I played a little while for something decent and never looked back. I'm WAY better now than I was back that far though..maybe i'll try it again if I feel like it.
wow, I got that time on 10-03-06!! yeah, I REALLY sucked back then..... man..it should be easy to improve!
Ooops Paragod, you crossed the line. You said WAY TOO MUCH! Have fun being banned ^_^
I sure did! *Feels almighty* if anyone bans me, be prepared to face a hellishly scary wrath of the PARAGOD! In other words, they will regret it for the rest of their life so I should be safe.
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Yes, I was really happy and even shocked of myself when I got that. I mean, first try at MH? I didn't play that level for over two weeks. That would even be a 1:15 on DC.
FC2 will be mine soon, I can assure you (just look at my awesome comment that came with the stat :D), yoshifan did lose quite some time going uphill at the beginning. While I hate to be the copycat, his strategy has no flaws, so that's the only thing I can do.
Same goes for FR2 once I attack Brian's record (won't be too soon I believe).
Yeah I remember Brian saying something about wanting to get a 1:29 on GC which would be really awesome (so the DC invisible floor saves 5.5 seconds?).
I don't know, I don't remember my 1:34 run (bad memory? <_<) to good anymore, but I somehow have the feeling that I can get it lower, much lower. Perhaps 1:31?
Ahh man, too bad that's another DC only trick involved. Oh well, not like I'd have any chance a the record anyways. >_<
I know you'd hate it, but I'd LOVE IT if you could get a clear one minute on RH3. ^_^ pleasedon'tkillme
Yeah this damn chain of rings has already ended some really good runs of mine. Damn them, I'll find a way around it. I'LL FIND A WAY!
From what I remember from your stats, a lot of them seem to be pretty old. You should go improve some :D
I sure did! *Feels almighty*
HA! I hope they ban you, and then ban Brian, and SM and yoshi and blazest and whoever else is in my way of the SA2 championship! muahahahahahha
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Oh well, I didn't feel like playing too much the last few days, but that changed today. What a mistake that I started with CE5. I was just able to confirm that I absolutely hate City Escape 5!! Even though I was able to get a decent time after like 50 tries, I still hate it. That set me in a bad mood and I wasn't able to do anything anymore.
I don't like this mission so much too, but calm down, or else you'll break something like I did(I broke my room's door with a strong kick) when I got my first sub 1:25 in MH xD
On the good side, I've studied yoshi's FC2 video and noticed a lot of small parts that could get me the record. We'll see..
Also, I was able to get a 36 check for the first time in CE :D - too bad I fucked up not even 5 seconds later <_<
Great to see you wanting this record, if you get it make sure you'll get a great time, 'cause this one was on my wanting list :D, also it's a great thing that you're making progress with CE too :D
I actually like it as it is. We got 200+ views in the last 2 days, so that's definitely a good sign. It just seems that most of the people who read this topic don't have anything worthwhile to say <_<
I like it how it is too, I don't like outsiders posting useless junk that has nothing to do with the game's competition, especially the ones that don't even play. I like it when new players join our elite group though, but sometimes...(let's stop here, no one want more problems to anyone)
Looking from this perspective, you guys are right, good things doesn't need to be changed.
From what I see in your CE video Brian you definitely make lots of mistakes at the beginning and still got 37, you can take it much lower.
For sure, that video was only a test, I don't make those mistakes on good runs(that's why they're called good xD), but even when I don't make mistakes, my best was 36:22.
I'm soon gonna try for the FC2 record, sub32 is definitely possible. Only thing that giving me trouble is the line of 4 rings on the tube near the end. Usually, when I light dash them, I get sent flying or get stuck somewhere and 3 seconds later Shadow falls to earth <_<
Gotta find out how to get around that..
Yeah this damn chain of rings has already ended some really good runs of mine. Damn them, I'll find a way around it. I'LL FIND A WAY!
I have the answer to your question FRM, it's quite simple: You just need to get the first ring in the chain, then light dash the other ones with the control stick released(like the 2nd chain of rings in MH). That's what I do, and it always work for me :D
I'm...improving? Green Forest? Seriously? No way, the MH time wasn't just a fluke?
I adjusted some display settings, mostly color and abstract on my TV and noticed how everything became much more beautiful :D
I was just playing through all Sonic/Shadow levels again to see how much more beautiful they had gotten, and I must say I'm really liking the green of Green Forest. >_< I thought why not speedrun it quickly for the hell of it? Man, I could even take this to sub1:32 (and maybe will)!
so the DC invisible floor saves 5.5 seconds?
It's so great to see you being interested about GF man, I really want to see what you can get in this stage :D, yeah I talked about doing a sub 1:30 run(I got 1:30:10 the last time I played), which is great since I can't play on DC :/, but that's not my real goal, my goal is a sub 1:29 run, 'cause I want to tie the time that made me go to the LD and meet Paragod, at that time, something like this would be flat out crazy! But I can see it happening :D. Also, the floor trick saves at least 8 seconds, I compared my run with yoshifan's one, and I was 8 seconds or so faster than him due to the trick, and I got stuck on the floor once :D. Now it's up to you and Paragod to make the calculations and see the full potential of GF in DC xD
BTW Paragod, He's totally right, if you submit new times for the missions you don't play since 2006, you'll get higher in the rankings with ease
HA! I hope they ban you, and then ban Brian, and SM and yoshi and blazest and whoever else is in my way of the SA2 championship! muahahahahahha
Oh... you're so MAD man... please, do anything with me but let my family alone T-T
LOL Edit: I haven't seen your comment PoT, I LOL'd hard xD
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I'll reply to you two's post later or tomorrow, I got such exciting news I can only say this right now:
Radical Highway M3 59.97!!!!!
26.50 check, obviously a much better optimized ending!! Awesome!
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OMFG!!! I just can't believe this :O, how? when? who? Stop playing CE man, if you keep doing well like this, I'll have no time records at the end of the month xD. Got any video? Checkfree? Are you happy? Your heart still beats? I have some chance of surviving if I don't go to the hospital? Why can't I stop writing shit?
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I like it when new players join our elite group though, but sometimes we get a good player and...certain...uhh..people(??)...make them....disappear....for no good reason. I say ?? because of how... inhumanly idiotic and unfair they are, but me and FRM know all about that and only talk about it via PM so we don't get unfairly banned ;)
Ooops Paragod, you crossed the line. You said WAY TOO MUCH! Have fun being banned ^_^
I sure did! *Feels almighty* if anyone bans me, be prepared to face a hellishly scary wrath of the PARAGOD! In other words, they will regret it for the rest of their life so I should be safe.
Let's put it like this. This topic is about how much time it costs a player to respawn from a checkpoint in Sonic Adventure 2. That discussion was done a long time ago, and since then you guys have made approximately 500 off-topic, grammar-raping posts, as well as directly mocking the site administrators in your last few posts. Yet... you're not banned. For you guys of all people to say that we're too hard on bans is hypocritical beyond belief.
Do I have any power over the rankings? No. Do I know methods of catching BS? Yes. I know that although we do have to be speculative sometimes, we have several failproof ways of catching liars, and the amount of incorrect bans is much smaller than you think it is.
Also, I made your opinion of us bigger. If you're going to post it for the whole of the Internet to see, grow some balls first, or perhaps start your own rankings site where tiny text is cool and cheaters roam free.
EDIT: The grammar isn't the Queen's English, but it's not the mess I thought it was. My point stands, though.
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Man... let's stop this discussion, I know you guys have real reasons for banning people(even though at least talon and zeronebula have some video proof for some times they got), also Paragod and PoT if you have sent a PM to SonicAD, and read his reply, I'm sure you guys have no reason for blaming them so hard.
PoT they banned you once, but what happened to you was a great amount of stupid things happening one after another, your topic gone the way most of the BSer's ones go(even you're not being a BSer :/), that's why they deleted your stats.
Do you remember this?
I sent you a PM but reconsidered that there was no need and deleted it from the database. Apparently I didn't do a thorough job, lol.
Those shots are great, thanks.
When you posted some pics, Rolken forgot(I think) everything and talked to you like everybody else does now :D. That's what I'm trying to say, when they catch someone, if you look like a BSer, they'll have to do something, but if you prove yourself to them like you did(A little late but did), no one will come after you without good reasons.
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I was about to say man it's just a message board, you're supposed to just be yourself and have fun. In regards to how well written your post is, you are just supposed to say what's on your mind. Sometimes I write a post properly, sometimes I just type up something real quick, either way it should not matter as long as everything is strung together properly and doesn't strain someone to read.
About your point.. I apologize for "attacking the admins" but you have to understand I was simply frustrated at the way Zeupar treated me. Like I said I simply asked why ban someone who is completely honest, and he doesn't give me an answer, he just tells me I am a waste of time and to leave if I don't like it..that's not the way an admin should act towards it's members..not at all.
I know nobody can be foolproof in determining whether someone is cheating or not. To make matters more complicated people can cheat, and then someday be more morally correct and want to play honestly, but still get banned again anyway. I think that's what happened with Talon, because he has a few great videos of his SA2B times up on his page. I still believe he is honest. But I'll let you guys determine what to do with him, maybe you can give him another chance some day.
About the off-topicness, well yeah but we could always rename the topic to "SA2B Competition Discussion" Since we talk about anything and everything, but we recently opted to keep the name the same because it's cool and classic.
Hopefully you understand what I said here.. I don't attack people without a good reason.
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[...] but you have to understand I was simply frustrated at the way Zeupar treated me. Like I said I simply asked why ban someone who is completely honest, and he doesn't give me an answer, he just tells me I am a waste of time and to leave if I don't like it..that's not the way an admin should act towards it's members..not at all.
I know nobody can be foolproof in determining whether someone is cheating or not. To make matters more complicated people can cheat, and then someday be more morally correct and want to play honestly, but still get banned again anyway. I think that's what happened with Talon, because he has a few great videos of his SA2B times up on his page. I still believe he is honest. But I'll let you guys determine what to do with him, maybe you can give him another chance some day.
About the off-topicness, well yeah but we could always rename the topic to "SA2B Competition Discussion" Since we talk about anything and everything, but we recently opted to keep the name the same because it's cool and classic.
Hopefully you understand what I said here.. I don't attack people without a good reason.
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I think that's what happened with Talon, because he has a few great videos of his SA2B times up on his page. I still believe he is honest. But I'll let you guys determine what to do with him, maybe you can give him another chance some day.
Talon was a bser on his first account, then ban dodged numerous times, which is a bannable offense. If he wants to be a part of TSC so badly he can be a part of the community and change the admin's minds and views about him.
Also RPG stfu >_>
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@Paragod: Well you weren't exactly asking nicely with Zeupar, your attitude toward the administration here in general has been pretty hostile. If you had asked in a more polite manner why PoT's stat deletions were justified you might have gotten a better answer but you didn't. Personally I still believe that it was very justified and am not sure why he got unbanned, and I could go over the reasons why but there's no need to derail the topic much further than it already is really (and he doesn't seem to do that anymore so meh). As for talon, there is ample evidence linking him to fireboy/dark assassin/nightknuckles/whatever who has been known to bs multiple times and has made I believe ~17 accounts by now, so his ban was more than justified as well.
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WHY WONT THIS TOPIC DIE.
We use this topic to discuss about game strategies and such, I see no reason for deleting/locking this topic
Also, liking it or not, what they said about Talon is right, there's ways of getting back into competition other than ban dodging :/. A good example is PoT
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Ironic because PoT did bandodge, he was banned as finalrush7 and recreated an account under PoT. <_<
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Change the topic name so RPG doesn't go insane :x
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Ironic because PoT did bandodge, he was banned as finalrush7 and recreated an account under PoT. <_<
I didn't know that :P
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I was about to say man it's just a message board, you're supposed to just be yourself and have fun. In regards to how well written your post is, you are just supposed to say what's on your mind. Sometimes I write a post properly, sometimes I just type up something real quick, either way it should not matter as long as everything is strung together properly and doesn't strain someone to read.
About your point.. I apologize for "attacking the admins" but you have to understand I was simply frustrated at the way Zeupar treated me. Like I said I simply asked why ban someone who is completely honest, and he doesn't give me an answer, he just tells me I am a waste of time and to leave if I don't like it..that's not the way an admin should act towards it's members..not at all.
I know nobody can be foolproof in determining whether someone is cheating or not. To make matters more complicated people can cheat, and then someday be more morally correct and want to play honestly, but still get banned again anyway. I think that's what happened with Talon, because he has a few great videos of his SA2B times up on his page. I still believe he is honest. But I'll let you guys determine what to do with him, maybe you can give him another chance some day.
About the off-topicness, well yeah but we could always rename the topic to "SA2B Competition Discussion" Since we talk about anything and everything, but we recently opted to keep the name the same because it's cool and classic.
Hopefully you understand what I said here.. I don't attack people without a good reason.
Oh, I don't doubt that talon CAN play legitimately, at least to some degree. However, he has been banned 20 times within the past few months, at least 15 times of which have come since I took over the adminship. Ban evasion is a bannable offense, this time is no exception. And as I said before, he had stats we'd confirmed as BS when he was banned as talon, and as such it wasn't exactly a hard decision since we knew that, as well as who he was. Further, Zeupar wasn't out of line at all, you were taking an accusatory tone to us. If you knew the whole reasoning behind it, I'm pretty sure you'd agree with the ban. I would -not- ban someone unless I was very certain that it was the right decision, and I do my diligence to make sure that's what happens. Hell, I was quite relieved yesterday to call BS on someone and have them turn up legit, because pretty much every time since I started it's resulted in a ban. I don't want to ban anyone, but if it's necessary to protect the accuracy of the charts, then that's what I'll do.
And really, name calling? I like how, because you don't have all the info, you chalked it up to us being unfair. Try considering that we do look at as many possibilities as we can, and aren't just jumping down random people's throats. If someone is questioned then there is good reason to do so indeed.
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I give up..I just wanted to put an end to this, for you guys to leave me alone so we could enjoy our topic, but I guess not cause now I got like 5 after me..this is never going to end and it's all cause I can't keep my opinions to myself..sigh.
Can we stop? or is this going to go on forever and you end up deleting our cool topic? :(
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Ok good I guess it's over.. Brian helped me understand what was going on with FR7 and why his stuff was messed with....his stats may have been deleted..but...at least he was given a chance to be here still...and everything is fine now today so...that's....fair!
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Man I thought I was killing you when I read that post Brian.. :P I almost cried for you :(
How Did I get 59? well, believe it or not but I found a way to cut a third of a second off skipping the first loop! After watching yoshifan's video I used to think it saved no time, so I never bothered doing the loop skip, and I assume you did too.. big mistake! That's a third of a second you missed out on with your run, which could bring you down potentially to 59.90 or so! You should try it if you're in the mood. About the run, I did use the second check like you because of the stupid spring trick :/ I wanted a check-free 59, and I'll get one eventually for sure. Still an exciting time to get! Even if it's not a cool 1:00.00 that FR wanted..It's also about time I finally managed to get one of my records back from you! I might try some mission 1 now, since I can get to the first check a whole lot faster I should be able to do 1:42 or at least a good 1:43.
It's so great to see you being interested about GF man, I really want to see what you can get in this stage :D, yeah I talked about doing a sub 1:30 run
Crazy man.. I was thinking with a radical run and a few little cuts you could perhaps get 1:28 on GC(Which I thought you perhaps did when you submitted it) Goodluck! Even sub 1:30 is crazy, my 1:32 was pretty perfect for me...
my best was 36:22.
Once you play the level half as much as me, you'll start getting 35's and then realize how my first check is possible!
I don't like this mission so much too, but calm down, or else you'll break something like I did(I broke my room's door with a strong kick) when I got my first sub 1:25 in MH xD
Man I've already broken 3 controllers, and 2 GC's in the 3 years I've played this damn game lmao.. I try to control myself now, I can't afford to get so upset! If I hit slam or throw something, I try to have an already-broken controller nearby :P
FC2 will be mine soon,
Very awesome!! that'll be your very first time attack sweep (Having every record for a level!)
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OMG Just look at that AMAZING NEW TIME OF MINE
1:31:72 in Green Hill!
I knew I could go sub1:32, but that I would do it that soon? MAN, that felt awesome!
I am so DONE with Green Hill, it's like I even went slightly over my limit with that run! I will, and cannot do any better at that stage.
I just wonder what my time would've been on DC... :(
I can't believe at what rate I'm improving during this week! watch me get Para's CE1 record tomorrow :D coughjokecough
Paragod, your RH3 time is awesome!! Congrats!! It doesn't matter if it's not exactly one minute either, as long as you are happy!
Very awesome!! that'll be your very first time attack sweep (Having every record for a level!)
Yes, yes it will be that. I found a way to save potentially almost a second going uphill in the beginning! Watch me get that record with my new super special Double Spindash U-Turn trick!
Man I've already broken 3 controllers, and 2 GC's in the 3 years I've played this damn game lmao.. I try to control myself now, I can't afford to get so upset! If I hit slam or throw something, I try to have an already-broken controller nearby :P
Yeah frustration's been my only negative thing concerning SA2 lately, and I don't know why. I wasn't even closely as frustrated when I was going for the FR record, so why does it happen now? I need to be very careful with my controllers. I only have 2, and one sometimes doesn't work. The other one I'm using now is my main one. It's hard to explain, but I've been playing on it soo long, the buttons are slightly layered out. It somehow just feels very comfortable in my hands. GC controllers are unimaginably hard to find nowadays in Switzerland.. <_<
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Very nice one there! You're better at playing Green Forest than me...heck that's only 3 seconds off my DC time! Bet Brian will be very impressed! But one thing...are you hinting on what you plan to play next..? because you said "Green Hill" every single time, not once did you say forest. :P On DC, that's probably 1:25 or so for sure.
You definitely need to play as many levels as you can! You have been doing very very well lately man..
Paragod, your RH3 time is awesome!! Congrats!! It doesn't matter if it's not exactly one minute either, as long as you are happy!
thanks a whooooooooooole lot, yes I am very happy. I probably played it for 2 hours straight last night, and when I homing attacked the chao and saw 59 I was like HECK YEAH! I still had 1:00.32 as my record at the time and my goal was just to beat Brian, and pray for a slight chance of sub, and it happened. VERY exciting! Probably the first time I've been proud/happy about a time where I.......used a checkpoint
Yes, yes it will be that. I found a way to save potentially almost a second going uphill in the beginning! Watch me get that record with my new super special Double Spindash U-Turn trick!
sounds exciting! I want to see this double U-Turn spindash track blow yoshifan to the moon with your new 31! or 30??
Is that even remotely possible
well if you guys make us change the name it is..otherwise, we went off topic probably 500 posts ago, but who cares! How come ya'll don't think it's cool to leave the name as is since it's classic? And that it's funny when somebody that's never seen it before looks at it and says, WOW! 500+ posts! must be a heck of a debate on how much it costs!
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Lol, I don't know what's wrong with me, how could I make the same mistake twice? <_<
That's not to say I don't have any plans for Green Hill. I want sub26, and I'm gonna get it. No matter what. I have a 26.4x IIRC, and that must be improvable!
Wait, you being happy after using a checkpoint? What has the world come to now?
Nah, joking, I used to be a cp-user, and it's not THAT bad. <_< Your run was awesome, and when there's an obstacle in the level that is highly depending on luck, why would you end an awesome run because you didn't have luck? Sure, luck is part of the skill, but if you can manipulate the luck, the result will be better.
Ahh I'm highly doubt a 30:xx being posible, but I can see something like 31.5 happening! Of course, if everything goes well, that is. That Uturn trick has worked twice in around 70+ attempts, so yeah..
On DC, that's probably 1:25 or so for sure.
1:25?? MAN, THAT ROCKS!!!
And that it's funny when somebody that's never seen it before looks at it and says, WOW! 500+ posts! must be a heck of a debate on how much it costs!
Yes, that's really awesome! Though I'm going to make a guide at some point explaining which checks lose how much time, what you should do right after being respawned, and which checkpoint you should definitely not use.
Hopefully I can get it done in a few months..I haven't even started yet >_<
EDIT: 0:33:05 - Hmm, including the UTurn and with some better optimization, this'll be mine.. heheh
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Lol, I don't know what's wrong with me, how could I make the same mistake twice? <_<
you've been making mistakes big time lately.. first you blew brian's mind with 1:03 on CE3, and now you're turning into a terrible player by getting 1:31 on Green Hill.. that SUCKS man! 1:31?! how is it possible to suck that much? 67 seconds slower than me.. my god I just don't think it's possible to be that bad..why even bother competing if you're so bad you must have AR'd your 180 emblems, there's NO WAY someone that bad got all the A-ranks.
A serious green hill note.. sub 26! You can do it!
Wait, you being happy after using a checkpoint? What has the world come to now?
Don't know man...it's becoming a wild world is it not? I guess it's not too bad, but I would be even happier to get a check-free 59.
1:25?? MAN, THAT ROCKS!!!
Remember that's just a guess, but it HAS to be way down there, 1:26 at the worst. Brian should be able to give you the most accurate idea since he's the one with the record on both systems.
Yes, that's really awesome! Though I'm going to make a guide at some point explaining which checks lose how much time, what you should do right after being respawned, and which checkpoint you should definitely not use.
Hopefully I can get it done in a few months..I haven't even started yet >_<
That's a cool little idea there. It may just encourage new players to use checks all the time though, having a full guide of how to abuse them whilst wasting little time..but who am I to talk, I've officially crossed the line now by using a checkpoint. But that's okay, it's just more encouragement to play some more RH3!
edit: 600 posts. Not that it matters, but I am willing to bet that at least a third of them all are in this topic! :P
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finalrush7 aka PoT is officially holding 5 records now!!!!!
00:31.60 !!!!
With a very very good run. U-Turn trick was successful, and I only lost a little time going up the first tube, nothing big. I finally did it! wooohoooo party time!!
(http://i33.tinypic.com/1549j79.jpg)
Final Chase is now completely mine.
EDIT: Human perfection. I achieved it. Final Chase 1 2:22:92 (4 times "2" lol)
This is just.... I don't know how to describe it. Never have I felt such perfection. This is... I'm even willing to go as far as saying that this is almost equal to Paragod's 1:36 on CE1.
My hands are still shaking.. WTF is up with me? When did I get so good? How the hell was I able to get that time? Why did every single tube play along? Did I accidentally switch into TAS mode? Why don't I remember the checkpoint times, is it because I didn't use them? Why did I not get nervous at all in the end? Why does something THAT awesome happen on an already awesome SA2 day? Why did the centiseconds stop at 92, my favorite number? Why am I asking so many questions? Because I know you probably don't have an answer? I am done with Final Chase for at least a few months.. WHY THE FUCKING HELL HAS MY NEW CELL PHONE NOT ARRIVED YET? THIS COULD'VE BEEN TAPED
I...need rest. I am done for today. I still can't believe it...
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WHO'S DA MAN?! PARAGOD's RH3 AINT NOTHIN COMPARED TO THOSE TWO TIMES!
Holy heck man..TWO awesome records!!!! I went to sleep on the floor a for a few hours and I wake up find both of these crazy records?! thumbs up on the picture huh? what an understatement!! where's your other hand! I expected one, maybe..but perfection on M1 too?
Are you seriously telling me you had a perfect run on the level, tubes and all, with NO checkpoints???????!!!!! if so then holy SHIT MAN!!!!!!!!! congrats!! VERY WELL DONE beyond belief! That is definitely as good as CE 1:36, maybe better if it truly is perfection. You TOTALLY deserve a rest! I still can't believe how well you've been playing...on a roll man!!
A-W-E-S-O-M-E
FR7 truly is the FINAL master!
One thing though:
DO YOU HAVE PROOF? hehe..but Seriously, I want to see a video of both of things runs, especially the M1!! Not for proof of course, but because it must be an AWESOME spectacular run that I must see! Or did you not tape it?... :(
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Congrats for the sweep too, I was so caught up in the awesomeness of the two records I forgot about it.
Final rush is now mine..very cool..and very cool picture to go with that statement, straight A-ranks across the board..only problem is 1 thumb is an understatement! otherwise, picture of perfection.
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Aww Paragod, did you not read what was written down there with a small size font? My new cell phone hasn't arrived yet, I can't record stuff until it arrives. <_<
I feel like an idiot now... This was probably my best run ever (aside from final rush), but I didn't record it.
I don't even care about M2, it's exactly yoshi's strat with the small UTurn trick improvement..
Took me a minutes to realize what I had missed by not recording this. It was as if I was playing Sonic Unleashed on SA2. :( I hate myself now <_<
What is a picture? Nothing. Thumbs up is nice and all, but you cannot see behind it, you cannot see HOW I did it. :(
I know this run was perfection, but I will not rest when I get my new phone until I get an awesome time on tape (At least a 2:25). That is, when I start playing FC again, which won't be that soon.
It's like I left a chapter behind me. ...Just give me a few hours until I thank you for congratulating me and all...
I'm..down at the moment. It kills me to see how much you'd have loved to see that run!!
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On a small positive side note, I just replayed M2 and got another awesome time (31.98)
I'll try to see if I can get at least that on tape soon.
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Well of course I'd love to see it, it sounds too good to be true.
Do you have a vcr to record with?? If you do it doesn't matter if you have a phone, because once it's on the tape it's there forever and you can capture/upload it whenever you wish. I thought that is what you did anyway, cause it's kinda hard to record with a phone whilst playing.
Well I am sorry to make you feel bad...it's not a huge deal, just a disappointment. I know how it feels to get a time so great, and not record it. Like 2:07 FR, 1:44 RH1, 1:39 on CG..but even so.. there's no reason to feel bad! You achieved...perfection(WHAT?!) on final CHASE! Perfection on......FINAL CHASE. Okay saying it that way probably makes you feel worse..but just feel proud of such a time. video or not, you took the level way beyond what I thought could be done. You're about 9 seconds ahead of my old record now, and I don't think there's anyway I could touch it. I'd be lucky to sub 2:30!
If you feel down still, just remember: You are the FINAL MASTER
By the way, poor Brian.. not only does he have 20 chapters of stuff to read from us, he's going to die of shock when he sees your times.. he almost died from my RH3, poor guy.. he's just destined to die if we keep this crazy pace up!
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Brian here... they got me to the hospital after my collapse, I can't reply to everything 'cause they said I need to rest right now, but everything you guys are doing is GREAT! Ouch! I can't keep screaming like this. Your new times are awesome PoT! You really owns when you want to :D.
Also Paragod, I couldn't see how that loop trick could save time to me, 'cause if you guys don't noticed yet, I can't do spindashes as fast as you guys(and almost eveybody else) do, just watch my videos and compare to one of yours(MH is the perfect example), that's why my beginning in Green Hill only have 2 spindashes, I can't do some things as fast as the other people do, not to mention the fact that playing as mechs to me is hell, I need to use the pause button almost eveytime I do a hover jump, 'cause my fingers don't hit the button fast enough, some of my GH runs are wasted in that last 2 spindashes :/
Talking about GF, your new time is just great! It would have been a low... well... read my other post about GF(the one I wrote today at 1:29 AM) and make the calculations, I can't mess the surprise :D
CONGRATULATIONS MAN!!! OUCH! I really need to stop with this...
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Brian what have we done to you :( you're not looking good at all man..you need to find a way to absorb the shock when we get crazy times. Then you can yell and scream in excitement like we do all the time!
The loop trick definitely saves a good third of a second if you do it properly. About fast fingers, you don't need fast fingers to do it.. you just do as yoshifan does, jump and hope to land right on the floor w/o getting any air time, do 1 spindash to the ring chain and light dash them, continue on as normal. You can be the second to sub 1:00 with this!
If you're curious, I played back the level on my vcr frame-by-frame slow motion. WITHOUT the loop trick, I hit the dash panel after light dashing the rings at exactly 11.85, and with a perfect loop trick I get there at 11.55. 1/3 of a second you're missing out on man!
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Talking about GF, your new time is just great! It would have been a low... well... read my other post about GF(the one I wrote today at 1:29 AM) and make the calculations, I can't mess the surprise :D
Also, the floor trick saves at least 8 seconds
There is no way you can tell me that I just potentially got a 1:23 in Green Forest, is there?
Your new times are awesome PoT! You really owns when you want to :D.
Thank you Brian!! Yeah, the biggest surprise is, Green Forest has no Final in its name! So what the hell happened? lol
Brian here... they got me to the hospital after my collapse, I can't reply to everything 'cause they said I need to rest right now, but everything you guys are doing is GREAT! Ouch! I can't keep screaming like this.
Oh, don't worry, the weekend's over, so my play time is limited for at least 5 days now (I played like 7 hours today). Though who knows, a quick run for fun might come out great as well.
I'm also really looking forward to my new cell phone. Sony Ericsson Satio! It can record with Widescreen settings and has awesome 12 Megapixel. That'll be the best thing ever!
The only thing I need then is a nice video editing software. Damn Windows Movie Maker always loses me too much quality!
I need to tape at least my FC2 with that!
CONGRATULATIONS MAN!!! OUCH! I really need to stop with this...
Stop it dude, you're gonna die! lol
Or maybe I should just stop submitting some good times :D
You achieved...perfection(WHAT?!) on final CHASE! Perfection on......FINAL CHASE. Okay saying it that way probably makes you feel worse..
Actually, that sounds AWESOME. The only bad thing about it is that that'll never happen again, much like my 2:07 in Final Rush. No, not even FR can compare to that, becauseI know you had a 0.3 seconds better mid checkpoint than me.
You are the FINAL MASTER
Hehe, thanks a lot Paragod!! That's exactly what we've been talking about in our PMs.
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7 hours today huh? quite a lot!
I played for an hour today. My destination? RH3. The Target? 0:59 without checks. I got two check-free runs, but they were not sub minute :( The first one was 1:00.10, followed 5 minutes later by...1:00.09! kinda funny they were so close.
I'll probably play for a tiny bit more tonight before I venture to the land of sleep, maybe I'll nail something great!
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As long as you don't sleep on the floor xD
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nah, I goto sleep on an awesome bed for the night.
When I want to sleep for just a short while like an hour or two, I sleep on the floor because it starts to really hurt after an hour, which wakes me up :P
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lol so that makes the floor your alarm clock XD
EDIT: Btw, we reached 21000 views!
EDIT 2: Yes, I got 31.62 on FC2!! This'll soon be recorded.
EDIT 3: 0:31.42 achieved during a practice run before setting the camera up. <_< Oh well, still a nice time!!
EDIT 4: The long awaited and promised run (not really that long And I know you'd much rather see my mission 1, but I won't be able to redo that I think..) HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY RECORDED BY ME NOW!!
New time: 0:31.34!!!!!!! Will do all the technical stuff and upload it tomorrow at work (I still can't upload from home) Stay tuned for the video, will be up tomorrow at 9am GMT+1!
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Very nice time FR Masta!! :)
Well I guess in this case I should call you FC Masta huh?
I patiently wait to see it.
2:22..if only...if only......
alarm clock..yeah pretty much. I had stayed up most of the night beforehand, and I knew if I went to sleep at 10 I'd end up sleeping all day, which I didn't want to do so I slept on the floor, woke up at about 11 or 12 and saw your awesome new times!
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Thank you very much, CE masta!!
I like Final Rush more than Final Chase
but ultimately I have to admit that I'm better at Final Chase.. <_< what a complex!
Yeah the 2:22 was so unimaginably good... there was like no slow point at all in that run, it all went to smoothly..it was just so perfect!!!....
Lol, what a way to not sleep for a too long period of time... xD
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Final Master is back with good news!
Well I honestly didn't expect that bulky uploader to work, but hey, guess I gotta take it for what is it!
0:31.34 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFyyhIaG9lQ
It's almost flawless, but I can see something like 31.1 happening. Enjoy ^_^
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you're definitely better at FC than FR, it would be 10 times easier for me to get 2:06 in FR1 than to get 2:22 on FC1. Not to mention you have the other 3 records.. those would be hell, especially M3.. the final tube terrifies me in regards to doing it perfectly.
Very clean looking run, very enjoyable to watch! 30 is probably possible with insanity, but you can still pretty much call your run: flawless! The quality looks great for a phone video too..way better than your other videos. I like it!
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Watcha think of my FC2 improvement? Pretty close to you for 10 minutes!
And how do you like your new name? Or would you just rather be known as the FR Masta?
I also got one more check-free RH3 time.. not great, but it's 1:00.20... :P
59 will come someday I guess, no rush.
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it would be 10 times easier for me to get 2:06 in FR1 than to get 2:22 on FC1.
No matter how I read this sentence, it just sounds crazy. Could be true, but have you even tried yourself at FC lately? Don't forget you're on the line of getting better than you were during your glory days! (These were in 2007, right?)
the final tube terrifies me in regards to doing it perfectly.
Yep, never have I done that tube more than "decently"
Well, actually I have once, but that was because I picked up a speed shoe on the last check.
Very clean looking run, very enjoyable to watch! 30 is probably possible with insanity, but you can still pretty much call your run: flawless!
Thank you!! =) Well, I'd say 30 is really really difficult, but maybe possible if absolutely everything goes down perfectly.
The quality looks great for a phone video too..way better than your other videos. I like it!
Yes, it looks better in my eyes, too. But I don't know why, it actually doesn't make sense. ever since my Final Chase m1 video, all my vids were recorded and edited the exact same way, so why did this video suffer from less quality loss? <_<
Watcha think of my FC2 improvement? Pretty close to you for 10 minutes!
You seem to run very fast and do not stop, do you really think you can challenge me for the platinum top? Now who said that again.. I wonder? =D
Wow.. I honestly didn't expect you to get such a good time after 10 minutes. I guess this again shows the difference between us, and that you just have the "talent".
It took me like 2 days to finally get something near 33, and you get 32 after 10 minutes... Congrats dude!!
And how do you like your new name? Or would you just rather be known as the FR Masta?
Well I've been getting more and more names recently, but as long as I know you mean me, you can call me whatever you want. Final, finalrush7, FR7, Mr. 7, Goran, FRM, FR-CM, did I miss something? :D
And patience will lead you to the 59 check-free run. Just keep on playing.... ;)
Also, 31.34 is not the best I can do. I'm actually having a lot of fun with this mission, so I'll go play it until perfection. And I must defend my time attack sweep from you!!!
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No matter how I read this sentence, it just sounds crazy. Could be true, but have you even tried yourself at FC lately? Don't forget you're on the line of getting better than you were during your glory days! (These were in 2007, right?)
I haven't tried a whole lot, but I did play a little of it last night and got nowhere. If 2:22 is perfect as you say it is, 2:06 has to be a whole lot easier! Yes, I am getting very, very close. Probably 90-95%! I still feel like I can get a whole lot better though, so perhaps my potential now is even better than what it used to be..that'd make me one crazy player!
Yes, it looks better in my eyes, too. But I don't know why, it actually doesn't make sense. ever since my Final Chase m1 video, all my vids were recorded and edited the exact same way, so why did this video suffer from less quality loss? <_<
oh? I thought the new phone was just a whole lot better with video or something. If not..well, I just hope the quality stays this good!
You seem to run very fast and do not stop, do you really think you can challenge me for the platinum top?
you know very damn well where you've heard that one before ;) Do I think I can?..maybe. The level took no time to master, the biggest issue is spindashing up the slope and getting all that down perfectly. I just noticed in my comment for the old 35 run.. I got to the check at 0:14! I think I do remember being very good at the beginning, and sucking at the rest. But you only got a 0:15 check, so......0:30! Assuming I really did get 0:14 and not 0:15, maybe I just typed it wrong.. I don't remember :/
Well I've been getting more and more names recently, but as long as I know you mean me, you can call me whatever you want. Final, finalrush7, FR7, Mr. 7, Goran, FRM, FR-CM, did I miss something? :D
And patience will lead you to the 59 check-free run. Just keep on playing.... ;)
Also, 31.34 is not the best I can do. I'm actually having a lot of fun with this mission, so I'll go play it until perfection. And I must defend my time attack sweep from you!!!
i'll figure out something that I like to call you :P 0:59, someday, someday..will be quite an EXCITING DAY! Goodluck for 0:30.. i'll be playing a little bit too, my beginning really sucked with a 0:16 check!
edit: aww man, someone just stole your record! no, it wasn't me, or even Brian...what a phantom strike that was...
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So how did that little playing around turn out? You should easily be able to sub 2:27, and then just improve from that point.
No, I don't have the new phone yet, I just took the phone from my mom (she's got the same one as I used to have). ...
Hmm, so I guess I need to work for a 0:14. Once I have that, I should get 30 at some point. Practice, practice, practice..
Well you better figure it out quickly, I'm no double-double agent, so one name and a reserve one is enough :D
Good luck to you as well with FC2 and RH3, you can do it! Remember, you're the guy that never stops? I'll go for FC2 and I can promise you right here that I will reach perfection!! Yes, I did just say that!
And PsyKnux isn't an exception and thus won't be forgiven. No one takes my precious (I only have so few..) records away from me! THIS IS COMPETITION!!!
EDIT: 0:14 check confirmed possible, I just did it. Messed up later though.. <_<
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Arghh it's really bugging me that I lost my record! Today's not my day, I wasted over 150 lives on FC2 and nothing really good came out <_<
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aww :( That's how it goes.. some days you do great and others you fail. Kinda like that one day when I was determined to go for every single record..I got like 3-5 records in 1 day? It was crazy, but the next day I wasn't doing as well.
so you got a 0:14 huh? you should be able to take the time way lower, it looked like you got a mid-high 15 in your run. I guess if I really did get 0:14 in the past, there's no reason I can't get a 30 here too! You...We, can do it! Take down that record thief!
edit: he's down to 30.70 now! Your competition is getting fierce man! Hope you can manage to take this one back, you can't possibly lose your first and only TA sweep...maybe you can nail it next weekend? or maybe you have some time during the week.
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Pot you are amazing!! 31:34 on mission 2!! but it was broken!!! Dude do you can reduce this? i hope you get sub 30 seconds! I believe in you!!! try beat this!!! hehehe Good Luck POT
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Yup, though I should have some time after work this week to play, so I should have plently of chances to get this pretty soon. I saw his 30.7 time and that's an amazing feat. I didn't think he'd lower it that soon. I don't think 30.7 is out of reach, but it's definitely much harder to beat than a 31.29.
Well, no matter what he gets, I'm not giving up on this. As I mentioned before, I'm actually really enjoy this mission and I was able to play for almost two hours yesterday without the feeling of boredom or something like that. Strage, huh?
Due to the quality still not being really good, I can't exactly see whether it's high, mid or low, but having gotten the 0:14 checkpoint done once, I'm confident to get it again. No, WE can get it again!
I'm not too sure if sub30 is possible, but if it is, then I'm getting that as well. Remember my promise?... Oh well, for now, I'm seeing something like 30.3?
As I said, I should have enough time to play, and the motivation and fun factor are here as well. So what's speaking against me getting that record? Nothing.
I believe in you
Thank you Cort!!! I can definitely reduce this!
Btw, got another 0:14 (8x I think) check this morning, but I accidentaly hit the AC on my way. <_<
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Whenever you get a 14 check, you must chant in your mind: "Don't get nervous, don't get nervous" "Don't screw up, don't screw up!!"
I played last night. No luck :( I could barely get a 16 check cause I was having big time trouble getting the rings. I wonder how I got 14 so easily back then..
As I mentioned before, I'm actually really enjoy this mission and I was able to play for almost two hours yesterday without the feeling of boredom or something like that. Strage, huh?
You got a WAY better chance of getting this than I do if you can stay calm and happy for so long.. when I was trying to improve my 35 I was already shouting at the game and ready to break something after like...45 seconds of screw ups, which is like 3 tries? I really can't stand this game's BS anymore apparently :(
I mean if I play for 2 hours I'll of probably said "F all this game's stupid BS" over 2000 times, I just can't keep myself quiet or happy when I play anymore, it's all only frustration. Like radical highway has probably 50 spots where you get screwed over and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, and the whole time playing that's all I could say, "F this BS level the only reason I keep having to restart is because the game has BS glitch spots everywhere!"
I swear though..every single level has at least 1 part that BS's you due to a glitch or something, that's what REALLY upsets me within seconds anymore... like I said a long time ago, 95% of my restarts aren't even my fault and that's pathetic! The damn guys who made this game should be ashamed of themselves, they made it a living hell for somebody who wants to get a perfect time.
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Oh it'd be very nice if I could change my mind like that. I would probably already have the record if that were the case.
I got home quite late yesterday and there were worldcup qualifications on TV so I didn't have a chance to play, but I guess I'm going to give it another try today.
There's "only" 6 of these spots that you mentioned that make you drop your run and it's not even my fault. Getting the ring chains, doing a good uturn, not hitting the AC, pray for the first tube to be good, not messing up in the ring chain on the tube, and hitting the second-to-last capsule (you need a specific height for that).
I know it's all within my reach (ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES!!), but practically never do all these 6 spots work out perfectly...
It sucks that you can't get 14 again, but don't fret, that'll come very soon. And don't forget that's it actually quite difficult to get one. At least for me, I only got it 3 times until now.
I'm surprised as this is pretty much the only mission in SA2:B that I like to do competitively. That's not even remotely that case for Final Rush 1 for example. I don't know how, but I guess I learned to control my emotions.. when something doesn't work out for the 20th time, I rather just turn my console off than throw a controller against the wall. (Good thing we're not playing fifa10... I can't control my emotions there <_<).
It's not exactly Sonic Team's fault. Velocity and speed momentum are hard to program, and pretty much no game of it's time was glitch-free. You can be grateful that isn't like Sonic Heroes or Sonic2006!! Plus the developers most probably never expected us to get anywhere near the times we have now.
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You'll nail it man! If not today, the weekend. Show that PK who is the most deserving of the final records! The FINAL master! Show him you never give up just like me! Show him the one that never gives up, will always come out on top!
Yeah I think I got 14 once, and only once.
It's not exactly Sonic Team's fault. Velocity and speed momentum are hard to program, and pretty much no game of it's time was glitch-free. You can be grateful that isn't like Sonic Heroes or Sonic2006!! Plus the developers most probably never expected us to get anywhere near the times we have now.
well technically it is their fault, but yeah you're right it probably is pretty hard to make everything glitch-free...not like I could do better so I guess I should shut up. But really it's so annoying with the stupid glitches..like on radical highway for the example, why does shadow have to go out of his spindash going down a hill if you don't time the spindash for the perfect amount of time? Why does he have to shoot through the top of the loop sometimes for no reason? why does he sometimes only lightdash the first ring of a chain instead of the whole thing? why does he go RIGHT through the pulley before the rocket 50% of the time? I could keep going on....but basically, FU shadow! :P
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THERE IT IS!!!!!!
My 16th try today got me it. I don't know why, but the run felt really really good, even though I had a 0:15 checkpoint (no idea whether high or low, but probably low) and lost 0.1-0.2 seconds after the last homing attack!
New time: 30.55!!!!
This needs some more tweaking, and sub30 is looking more and more possible!
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THIS DESERVES MORE THAN AN EDIT!!!
DID YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT SUB30? HUH? HUUUHH?
WELL THEN LET ME TELL YOU THIS:
29.99 was just achieved by me. HA! I think that should stop PsyKnux from going after my record!
FUCK YEAH!
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HELL YEA MAN!
Was there any doubt the of the master taking his level back? No way! I didn't expect it on a today though, nor did I expect sub 30!
Awesome.. just barely a sub 30! You don't need another long congratulations post..you know you're the best!
You know what's really cool? When yoshifan stole my 30.55 on Metal Harbor mission 2, I got it back...with a 30.30, and then an hour or so later.......29.99....just like you! How cool is that!
DO YOU HAVE PROOF? ;)
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Of course there was no doubt, this is just my level! ^_^
Thanks, Para =D
Yeah 29.99 looks really cool somehow and I don't know why. And that's an awesome coincidence with your MH2 time. I didn't know that, but... I like it >_<
PSSSSSSSST, don't tell anyone but I actually cheated. I used Chaos Control (without an emerald, because I'm so awesome) in order to stop time at 29.99 and finish the level!
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Oh my god.. he beat you already!
And to make matters crazier...he got 29.84, which is my current record on metal harbor mission 2.
It's like..FC2 is evolving in the exact same way as metal harbor. 30.55 (my old record) 29.99, now 29.84...... what's next man! are we going to improve both FC2 and MH2 to 29.70 or something?! (It's definitely possible..)
Now you have to play again...already. Are you up to it? He's definitely showing a sign of weakness, as his comment says he can only be a 'bit' faster! Finish him off!
To talk about something a little different.. I've been playing some green hill and I already got a 24.60! only .23 off! I am thinking 23 is possible, if you have a pixel perfect run and you incorporate some tricks that are very inconsistent. I may as well try for an improvement, cause 24.60 only took 5 minutes of practice to regain my lost skill! and I feel much better can be done right now..
EDIT: I also got some crazy new times!! you won't even believe them!
Radical Highway M3: 59.25!!!!!!!!!!!
*AND*
Radical Highway M1: 1:41.79!!!
I can see Sub 1:40! seriously! and I can also easily see 58 on M3!!!
too bad I used the speed shoe trick on both of these, so they're not legit :(
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Well FUCK, I didn't expect him to break my record on the same day!!!!! Oh well, actually, there's no difference. I said I was going for perfection, and 29.99 was just a step further in the right direction. I know something like 29.7 or even .6 is possible. But damn, gotta compliment him, it looks like he's beating my times effortlessly, and usually even on the same day or the day after. I read PsyKnux' bio and that's what it says:
These days...I'm hardly ever around, ever since I got back into Guild Wars. When I am here, I'm in the chatroom, and mostly likely at work, too. I'll submit an occasional stat or two--mostly in SA2(B) when someone dares to take a record of mine--but mostly I am inactive as of now...
Though I broke yoshi's record first and not his, but I guess I challenged him in some way. Though that's ok with me, I always welcome competition. The record would still be at 31.34 if it weren't for him.
That's is actually getting very mysterious. What's up with copying the times from your MH record progress? THAT'S A SIGN!!!! >_<
I don't know if saying he could only get a bit faster is a sign of weakness, because I can't get "much" faster on this mission either. But I guess the worst case scenario is a tied record, if we both get a perfect run. Though I doubt that happening, but who knows, I actually tied you once in FR1, too (not at 2:11.64 where you rounded it up, another time)
So are these times serious or did you really use the speedshoe trick? Because these times sound possible for me when I know that they've been gotten by you.. And why would you use the speedshoe trick anyways? <_<
Small edit: According to the TSC RSS feed, he got the record just 35 minutes after I broke the 30 seconds barrier. <___<
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35 minutes..yeah he's pretty damn fast for being hardly ever around... Poor FR7 :( I was so happy when you got the record back especially cause it was so insane, and then I was all upset again two hours later when I saw his new record. Not that I dislike him playing or anything...but it's upsetting seeing the FINAL MASTA losing his sweep twice, so fast......
Oh well, you must play once more? Maybe it will be "final" this time if you set a CRAZY time! ya'll have kinda left me in the dust.. I don't see myself getting sub 30 :(
That's is actually getting very mysterious. What's up with copying the times from your MH record progress? THAT'S A SIGN!!!! >_<
what sign is it? that I need to play that level? or is it a sign that my record is going to be gone soon? or something else?
Heh no those times aren't legit, the M3 time would definitely be completely impossible. 59 is just barely possible playing normally. I just played with the speedshoe trick for fun, and posted the times for fun. Honestly I was surprised it cut so much time, most levels it just screws you up so I thought it would be fun to see what kind of times I could get. M1 was a terrible run, but I didn't want to play it for hours when I could be playing for a LEGIT 1:42. But really I should play for a 58 on M3 and make a video, speedshoe or not it'd be an impressive cool looking run! I should get 59 check-free first though, since it's a time that actually counts.
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First of all, congratulations! We just passed the other topic and have the second most replied topic on this site!!!!
Well, what can I say? Life is hard, and hard work is not always fulfilled with something deserving in the end. I have no other real choice than to play again if I want to beat him. Though it doesn't matter how many time I'm going to have to play this level, it isn't gonna be any problem as long as I'm having fun.
It's a sign that whatever happens to FC2 will happen to MH2 and vice versa! Or so it could be interpreted at least. I don't know, but if that happens again, I'm calling BS on the definition of random!
So 58 is completely impossible? Hmm, I guess that's should be true if you say so. I don't know because Radical Highway is probably the Sonic/Shadow stage I suck the most at...
I also actually wanted to make a FR vid with the speedshoe but doing that trick on FR is impossible I think..? It may have reach the always-wanted sub2:00 we strived for! But I also meant to ask you how CE is going? Are you even playing anymore? How's the 35.5 check going?
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Awesome..we will definitely take the #1 spot!
Life is hard
Oh man, what a perfect statement..if only everybody realized that, we wouldn't have all these useless lazy people in the world leeching off everybody.. the whole world would be so much better and more productive :(
I'm going to have to play this level, it isn't gonna be any problem as long as I'm having fun.
That's great, that's what it is all about. I would of wasted those 500 hours I put into CE if I wasn't having fun...but I had plenty of fun, which is what drove me to play so well!
Nowadays though..I am just kinda playing for the record.. and just being frustrated in the process :( I feel great when I get a time, but I am not having fun in the process..is playing even worth it in this case?
It's a sign that whatever happens to FC2 will happen to MH2 and vice versa! Or so it could be interpreted at least. I don't know, but if that happens again, I'm calling BS on the definition of random!
That's the cool thing about randomness/probability/luck.. something can have a 99% chance of happening and it won't happen after a thousand attempts, and something can have a 1 in a million chance of happening and it happens 100 times in a row. Both of which are ridiculous in their odds, but it's possible.. who knows what's going to happen to MH2! maybe it's a sign we should keep the records tied as they are now just for the heck of it :P in other words if FC2 gets improved, MH2 has to go down too.
So 58 is completely impossible?
Yup, a pixel perfect time, and I am talking 1:35 CE1 perfection here, would be around 59.69 according to my best loop skip, and best check w/o the loop skip and a perfect ending. Therefore, sub 1:00 is really hard and very great! About CE1.. ever since I started radical highway I have not played it a whole not.. kinda lost interest for the time being. I may start B+A'ing the rail before the first check though, it could lead to a 34 check on M1 being possible!
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Yup, but that may take another 6 months...
Yeah I'm already looking forward to playing after replying to you here :D
This is actually the first time since FR1 that I'm also playing to have fun. I usually just play to satisfy myself or you guys. I wouldn't even have tried myself at Final Chase if you wouldn't have said that I may be the "Final Masta" after I got 2:43 on my first try.
it could lead to a 34 check on M1 being possible!
So what now, are you telling me that 1:34/low 1:35 is actually possible? Stop it, I'm afraid!!
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DAMN that first tube in FC!!!!!! It didn't play along in 166 attempts today!!!!!!!!!!!
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Life is hard
:P
Seriously though, that really sucks. :( At least you're having fun :)
Have you looked at the SADX rankings recently?? What happened to Jawzun? All his stats are gone! Plus it says he's banned? To make it all stranger there's no topic about him in the LD, or the banned users sub forum.. do you have any idea what happened?
So what now, are you telling me that 1:34/low 1:35 is actually possible? Stop it, I'm afraid!!
Don't be scared, there's no way I could take it to 1:34. 1:35 is still a big stretch towards perfection, considering if I did get a 34 check, it would be extremely rare and hard to do. The only way I could ever get 1:34 is if I could restart from the 34 and 1:16 check, without losing any time at all and perfect everything. As it is the last check loses almost a second, and the first loses I guess a tenth, so everything must be done in 1 run for 1:34.. and that's just something too perfect to ever happen.
What's disappointing though is that I've had a handful of 1:05 landings from the building drop, that ended up as 1:37's thanks to a bad ending.. those could definitely be low-mid 1:36's :(
Oh and I keep forgetting, what are we going to do for talon? he really wants a place to talk to us..does your friend have that message board up yet? Or should I just make one? It's effortless to do and I could have one up in minutes, but I want to know what we're going to do first..no point in me making one if you know of something better.
One other thing I keep forgetting..about the pm you sent me, yeah I think it would be really REALLY cool if you could make us those 3 pictures to show our best levels, for the topics 1 year anniversary. I feel kinda guilty telling you to go do it..but I suck at picture related stuff..but, if there's anything I can do I will. (I CANNOT DRAW!!)
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That's VERY strange. Though you should not be afraid, this is most probably just a bug. It says he's banned, but he's actually only 72th in SA:DX. His times were deleted, but a few of his scores and boss times are still up.
I don't think we have to worry there, and besides, who'd be so stupid to say that Jawzun would be cheating?
Well have you ever considered getting a perfect time +0.1 with abusing the first check after getting a 34 one? Or don't abuse it, but at least give it a shot with the 3-4 lives remaining. Or is that going against your will?
Not too sure about talon. I didn't get any PM from him, and I don't really want to leave this topic die. But I have a solution that I'm going to PM you. Yeah I thought you might like my idea! And I was more thinking about a picture that represent us all 3 instead of one, but I guess I'll just do both. You don't need to help me (and it'd be difficult, too) because I have enough skills at photoshop and enough time at work/home to get this done. Maybe not on the exact anniversary, but that's not too bad I'd say.. (or is it? <_<)
Though there is actually something you could do. If you can get me a picture (size doesn't matter, but bigger than 70x80!!) that you want to represent your City Escape in, that would be really cool. It's pretty hard to portrait a whole level in one picture, that's why..
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Jawzun decided he wanted to stop competing and didn't want his stats on the site anymore. He's banned because he submitted a bunch of BS because Zeupar refused to take them down on request.
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well that sucks, now SADX's rankings are all messed up :( I wonder what got into him to want his stats off the site.. usually people act that way when they have some sort of hatred towards whatever site they want off of, not just for retiring..hmm
His profile says:
I used to be very good in SADX in the past ¿who cares about that now? I spent two years on SADX for nothing, NOTHING.
Well have you ever considered getting a perfect time +0.1 with abusing the first check after getting a 34 one? Or don't abuse it, but at least give it a shot with the 3-4 lives remaining. Or is that going against your will?
When I got my 35.35 check, I used 70 lives to try and get a 1:35 but it didn't happen. I wasn't going to submit it, but I wanted to see if I could do 1:35 or not restarting from the first check only. I also used 70 lives when I got my 35.50 check, and got the 1:37 with a truck bounce which would of definitely been low 1:36/1:35..
I'll try to find a suitable picture for you.
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Hi guys :(, I'm really sad about jawzun, and I somehow understand his feeling, I haven't been able to talk to him since this, so I still don't know exactly what happened to him.
A lot of things happened since I got to the hospital, FC2 is getting really great! This is by far the stage I suck most(even my mission 2 time being good), I could see the record being taken away from yoshifan, but I didn't expected to get soooo low, sub 30?!?!?!?! That's simply crazy!!!
Hey Paragod, I've seen your RH times, but I haven't noticed the little words after them, I really though you had broken my record and yours(and saying that 58 sec would be possible), I though: "Oh man... I can say bye to my Sonic/Shadow records :/". BTW, what about your vids? I can't wait to see them >_<
Also PoT... I liked this picture idea, how you'll do it?
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Jawzun decided he wanted to stop competing and didn't want his stats on the site anymore. He's banned because he submitted a bunch of BS because Zeupar refused to take them down on request.
1. Why don't you guys just take down someone's stats when said player asks you to? I noticed that being the case numerous times already.
2. Ok, so he submitted obvious fake stats and got banned. But why are only like half of his stats gone? Is that an unfinished job? It makes no sense to me.
When I got my 35.35 check, I used 70 lives to try and get a 1:35 but it didn't happen. I wasn't going to submit it, but I wanted to see if I could do 1:35 or not restarting from the first check only. I also used 70 lives when I got my 35.50 check, and got the 1:37 with a truck bounce which would of definitely been low 1:36/1:35..
Do you even want to get 1:35, or are you just doing that just to show us how low it could go with check abuse?
Awesome, can't wait for the pic (no hurry though!)!
A lot of things happened since I got to the hospital
What happened, Brian? =O I hope it's nothing serious!!!
Yeah I never would've expected to see the record go so damn low. I thought my 31:34 would stay there for at least a year or so...or until Paragod gives it his all? lol >_>
EDIT: Lost over 200 lives on FC2 now, and nothing came out. Had around 15 record-breaking runs that were ruined by the first tube, WHICH JUST DOESN'T WANT TO PLAY ALONG!!!!!!!
On a good sidenote though, I found a 0.1-0.2 timesaver.. :D
I may play more later on...but for now I'm pissed. <_<
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What happened, Brian? =O I hope it's nothing serious!!!
Nothing great, I just looked at your stats that day, and fell down to the floor, than I woke up in the hospital. I came back yesterday :D
About Jawzun's stats, they don't wanted to take them off 'cause they're the champion's stats, it would mess up the charts(in fact it did, since they toke most of them down :/). I don't wanted to see that some day :(
Hey, what's this picture thing you and Paragod are talking about?
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Ohh.. damn you had me worrying for a second there :D
Well the charts are messed up now anyways, and some of his stats are still up. Well I hope they at least know what they're doing, even if it doesn't seem like that at the moment.
EDIT: 600th Post!!!
But who will snap the 600th reply!? =O
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I think I shall do the honors! 601!
yeah sadx is pretty screwed right now..I actually have the emerald coast record and the speed highway record..that's not right! We gotta blame jawzun for this one though, it's his fault the stats are gone..but why in the world would he be so upset about having his stats here??
the picture thing is basically a way to celebrate the 1st year anniversary of our great topic, and our awesome friendship formed within! he is going to make a picture we all use in our signature, showing our best levels: City escape, Green forest, Final rush. This will be really awesome once it's made!
Do you even want to get 1:35, or are you just doing that just to show us how low it could go with check abuse?
I want to sure, but who knows if I will..I tried to get 1:35 with 70 lives just for the fun of it.
BTW, what about your vids? I can't wait to see them >_<
someday man, I will upload a ton of them at once to make up for the wait. Great to see you back by the way..only been 3 days but it sure seemed longer since we're used to you posting every day usually.
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only been 3 days but it sure seemed longer since we're used to you posting every day usually.
So true...
but why in the world would he be so upset about having his stats here??
I don't think anyone knows... has anyone tried to contact him? I'm going to send him a PM over youtube, because he might not visit TSC again for all we know.
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I read what you sent. Hopefully he has a good reason cause it's not like him to act that way...maybe he tried sub 1 on EC again and got really upset? :/
main reason for this post.. 1:41 on CG!!!!! you're only a second and a half away, and it's NOT a final level! What is the world coming to? This is definitely the most effort you've put in and is the closest you've ever gotten to a record other than the final levels.
AWESOME man! Do you remember what checks you had? Remember on my 1:39 I had 37,44 and 1:30 which should let you know if you're on par with my run. You sound a little disappointed with the time too.. sub 1:40 is coming?! even 1:40.x would be awesome! For now, second place silver is very nice. Time to throw this out there once again I suppose..
You seem to run very fast and do not stop, do you really think you can challenge me for the platinum top?
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No, it must've been something different? Who'd be THAT upset to get all his stats deleted just because he can't break a barrier? I didn't know Jawzun that good, but still...
YES! 1:41:12!!! I actually hacked the game and renamed the level to Final Gadget to become immediately better! Oh well, I definitely put some hours into this, but the most effort of all non-final levels I put into is still Sky Rail. I hate to say it and I feel very bad, but I might even go for the record in Sky Rail should Jawzun really get all his stats deleted.
Well, I only used ONE CHECK, so I only remember that one :P
It was the first one, and that's why I'm slightly down now, as it was a 0:37:89 check!! I didn't know your exact check, but I figured it should get me to a mid-1:40 at least! I made some small errors in my run but I kept running because I thought restarting at a check would lose me more time. Maybe I was wrong? I don't know exactly.
Sub1:41 is definitely coming, but I'm not sure if I can get sub1:40. It seems out of reach, but hey, a lot of stuff seemed out of reach at first and then became possible later on, so who knows!
You seem to run very fast and do not stop, do you really think you can challenge me for the platinum top?
ALWAYS NICE TO HEAR THIS QUOTE! ;)
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Well, I only used ONE CHECK, so I only remember that one :P
Oh yeah? I used no checks, but I still glanced down and remembered them all! I don't know the decimals of them of course, but I am fairly sure all my 37 checks were *just barely* 37's, cause I remember if I was even a tenth too slow I'd get a 38. So 37.89 sounds really good, 1:39 potential!!
If only I had recorded the run, I could pause-play it frame-by-frame and tell you exactly what checks I got..oh well, at least you know your skill is record-potential up to the first check!
I know Jawzun pretty well, we have talked since 2006 or maybe 2007, and we had a little bit of back and forth competition on emerald coast until his potential clearly destroyed mine, and I lost that competitive spirit. I've never seen him act upset before,so whatever..maybe you'll get a good reply from him.
Edit : City Escape M3:1:06.80!!
Read the comments, lets just say it was a heck of a nice run, all thanks to Brian's video for helping me figure out the loop trick. I still had trouble at first, but I played for a few minutes tonight and all of a sudden it's working 80% of the time instead of 5%...AWESOME! I got it on tape too, when I upload everything ya'll can see it!
I had to use a check point though :( should I still be happy?
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WOW!1:06!!! Amazing man!!! WHO DA BEST? DA BEST IS YOU!! But seriously, we all know you're the best CE player ever, so I don't need to tell you that again now, do I?
You should definitely be proud! Using checkpoints is not a sin. And it's awesome to hear that you got a 35.59 check! So now that you have your desired time in CE3, what's coming up next for you? It seems like you easily got 32 on FC2, so maybe you want to improve there?
Well, Jawzun didn't reply to me yet, but his last login (11 hours at the time of this post) was before I sent him the PM. I'm curious as to what's going on.. <_<
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I DA BEST! CE SWEEP 4EVER MAN! hopefully
I guess checks are not the end of the world.. but check free is just so much better...I could probably do another 1:06 someday anyway if I keep up the good first checks.
poor jawzun.... :( something's really wrong......
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hopefully
I'm 100% sure.
And instead of playing M3 you should better play M1. The world will hold its breath for a brief second should you ever get 1:35, with or without checks!!
Yeah, I wonder, too, but all we can do is wait for him to reply.
EDIT: He replied, I sent it to you guys over PM. ...What a story.. <_<
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You beat me in CG PoT! That's great :D, but expect competition for the 2nd place(or even for the record if Paragod don't get another 1:36 xD).
I can't wait for the video Paragod, it's an amazing time even if it was done with checks, but who'll blame you for this, an awesome check followed by a trick that don't work sometimes = check abuse
Jawzun's history makes sense to me :/
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Thanks Brian! I sure do expect competition, as it is always good!
And yeah, while Jawzun's story makes sense to me too, he still didn't need to get banned.
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Well, I only used ONE CHECK, so I only remember that one :P
Oh yeah? I used no checks, but I still glanced down and remembered them all! I don't know the decimals of them of course, but I am fairly sure all my 37 checks were *just barely* 37's, cause I remember if I was even a tenth too slow I'd get a 38. So 37.89 sounds really good, 1:39 potential!!
If only I had recorded the run, I could pause-play it frame-by-frame and tell you exactly what checks I got..oh well, at least you know your skill is record-potential up to the first check!
I know Jawzun pretty well, we have talked since 2006 or maybe 2007, and we had a little bit of back and forth competition on emerald coast until his potential clearly destroyed mine, and I lost that competitive spirit. I've never seen him act upset before,so whatever..maybe you'll get a good reply from him.
Edit : City Escape M3:1:06.80!!
Read the comments, lets just say it was a heck of a nice run, all thanks to Brian's video for helping me figure out the loop trick. I still had trouble at first, but I played for a few minutes tonight and all of a sudden it's working 80% of the time instead of 5%...AWESOME! I got it on tape too, when I upload everything ya'll can see it!
I had to use a check point though :( should I still be happy?
Dude 1:06:80!!!! wooooo that's so amazing ! Dude, you intend to reduce that time to 1:05? I know you can, after all, you are the owner of CE! Be, hope you do more and more in this mission 3!
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Ahh, I think 1:05 might be just out of reach.... but you never know.
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1:05, I won't say it's impossible. You would need a 34 check, and you would have to be perfect from hopping the fence towards the loop. This is the only part of my run that may be slightly flawed.
But even then, not very likely. 1:35 is worth trying for more! 1:06 is my old prediction of a perfect time, I got it, and I am happy with it.
hmm, jawzun's story is abit odd.. I know they're his stats and all, but they don't need to be deleted to start all over..I mean I wouldn't ban him over it, but deleting his stats seems kinda stupid...if they're too hard to beat and you're not having fun, don't play. I am sure someday he'd having fun beating them.
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Is a 34 check even possible? And are you actually realizing what you are saying now? Remember a few months ago where no one would even dare to say that your 1:36 time could be improved by much, and now we're taking more than 1.5 seconds off in the first half of the first minute of the run! Duuuuude...
You're right with Jawzun, but in the end, it's his desicion, and he sure didn't need to post BS times to get himself banned just to see his stats gone. They should've kindly accepted his request and taken down his stats. After all, they're HIS stats, and they're not property of TSC once you submit them.
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I don't know. But getting 35.35 without B+A'ing the first rail after the boxes, it may barely be possible. Perfect boarding(harder than it sounds) Perfect first rail Perfect spindash Perfect Spindash to box+perfect bounce rails and final rail = MAYBE 34?!
you're right, he doesn't need to be banned and I am pretty sure the times belong to him, but I would not delete upon request just because "I want to start over" that's senseless, and messes up the rankings. If he wants to start over, may as well make a new account or something and think something like: Man, I wonder if I can take the great Jawzun's championship!!
speaking of CESWEEP4EVER, I am shocked nobody has taken my M2 record yet, it's OVER 3 years old just like FC2! there may be some improvement somewhere, or maybe it's that good...or maybe almost nobody has DC or something.
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MAYBE 34!? = Maybe we're all just a little crazy! But maybe being crazy is a good thing?`
I'd love to try and go for a good rank (I can't and won't and wouldn't take your record), but unfortunately I only have a GC... (watch out for PsyKnux) <_<
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For competition's sake, you pretty much have to be crazy to set a perfect time.
I will be very wary of PK, look what he did to your sweep..he could very well do the same for CE. Looking on the fortunate side, M2 of CE is WAAAAAAY easier than FC2 could ever be so I am luckier than you :P
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Well, just look at FR1 and CE1 to see the definition of crazyness!
Yes, yes, I still haven't restored my sweep. Arrgh, I'm starting to worry. I know I can do it, but after over 400 attemps and not a single one looking promising.... though I'm not giving up! Remember the determined newcomer? Yeah, I'm not newcomer anymore, but my determination hasn't decreased at all!
And now I'm off on my way home to see if I can manage to play an hour or so today..!
EDIT: Godamn ***ç*&&/*&%ç"/ç/%//ç%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I swear this stupid level just doesn't fucking wanna give me the record! COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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argh..29.89, you must feel ripped off big time :(
Yeah, I'm not newcomer anymore, but my determination hasn't decreased at all!
Very good to hear young master, if you ever lose that determination, you'll never beat the record holders!
EDIT: Godamn ***ç*&&/*&%ç"/ç/%//ç%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I swear this stupid level just doesn't fucking wanna give me the record! COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow..you sound as upset as I was last night thanks to radical highway's BS. This might sound stupid, but I guess you aren't enjoying the level like you were before? :(
also, we have too much free time to talk..Brian is constantly getting overwhelmed with 20 posts :P
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Yes I'm very pissed and I can't remember the last time I was so damn pissed!!!!!
Damn game! Either give me the record or make my runs end at the first tube, but don't have the 10% (out of 250+ runs) potential record-breaking runs that could give me a 29.6 even go wrong at the very last second!
Either show me that it is not my day, or give me the record! The game is actually playing with me!! *expression of anger*
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I can see the future..and this is what I see!
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5681/potd.png) (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/potd.png/)
:P
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How are you seeing the future if you're using the Past skin?
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Be quiet, SM, it's the thought that counts! <_<
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well, I thought this was the default skin since it's the one that has always been there..but whatever it is, past or not, I like it and it has nothing to do with my ability to see the future! FR7 will have the record, and by then there may even be 132 players for the level making my picture completely accurate! cept for the date........
:P
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Beep, beep!!!! We made a new record in this topic, this is the 27th reply within 24 hours!!
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Alright, my nervousness just lost me a potential 29.5/29.6
Way to go, Goran.. you idiot <_<!!
Oh well, I'm doing better than yesterday already..
EDIT: Lost a 29.3 run! .3!!!!!!
EDIT: The record is mine for now with a 0:29.77 !!!!!!!!!! Well, it's not SUCH an awesome time like I could have gotten before, but still!!
I'm not done playing though. I can't afford losing the record now(or in a few months) and then having to regain the skill and adapt to the level again. I need at least a 29.6!
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yea way to go goran you idiot blowing a 29.3..how could you!
jus kidding....you're very smart to max the level out while you have the most practice in!
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It wasn't my fault! Sonic didn't light dash the very last chain of rings, instead he just hit the ground and did a summersault. What a disappointment, there's nothing you can do wrong after light dashing the last chain of rings, you only have to fall down. <_<!
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38 posts already.. such a shame he can't post here or we would take the #1 spot within a week or two :P he likes to talk more than we do!
edit: oh my god.. 29.40?!?! looks like you're going to have to nail the 29.3 now man! he says he found some time savers..I should help you look for some too..
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Wow.. damn it! 29.4 <_< And screw that 29.4, I should think of it as a 29.2 which he said shouldn't be too difficult for him.
Again, I'm not holding the record for even a day... only for 165 minutes <_<
Guess I'll be having to incorporate my "works-1-out-of-100-tries"-trick (yes, I actually still got something up in my sleeve!) in an exceptional run to get a time that has the chance to beat his. Although with a perfect run, it could even give me a very high 28. Still, I never thought I'd have to use that trick.
But damn it, that'll take who knows how many tries to get it. That's more luck than anything.. I need another time saver!!!! One that is easier to pull off!!
EDIT: Yeah, hate to say it, Para, but you're really gonna need to help me find something in FC2..! >__>
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OMG you guys really want to blow up my mind, I can't reply to everything, but I have to say you got a really tough competition here PoT. Who would think of Psyknux coming out of nowhere to take your record like this o.O?
I won't talk too much but I know something that can help you, it's up to you to decide if he'll know it or not, I can PM it to you or post it here...
Oh I want so much to repair my job's main PC to be able to talk to you guys from there :P
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AWESOME NEW TIME PARAGOD! YOU IS DA BEST!!!
And I hope you can repair you PC at work soon, Brian. Aren't you an IT professional after all? Your YT acctound says to at lesat.
EDIT: Holy hell, 29.0? Damn man... how the fuck do I beat that..? If I only knew about those timesavers..!
EDIT 2: Just received a PM from talon. He apparently got 0:41.67 on mission 2 of Crazy Gadget. That's 0:00.43 better than the record!
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I sure am..PK said he wants sub 33 too though..but enough is enough, there's no way i'll beat this run so if he beats me then he may have the record for a while.. it's not going to be easy at all for him though ;)
FR7, don't tell me you're giving up on FC2? :(
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FR7, don't tell me you're giving up on FC2? :(
I'm not giving up, I'm just saying that it is currently nearly impossible to me to get the record. I'm not playing for a 1 in a 10000 chance, this isn't Final Rush.
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1 in 10,000 really sucks :(
Remember though, PK is only a person too.. he has his limits, maybe he doesn't use the 1 in 10,000 trick.
And I don't think you should be mad towards the guy..sure he's a thief, but look what he's done.. two M2 records have been improved substantially! 31.24 WAY down to 29.00(and someday 28) and 33.95 on CE2 down to 32.95, I would of never thought anything lower than 33.5 would be possible on CE but he helped me push it all the way to 32 cause I refuse to lose my sweep :P
Also you know how he said he's going after yoshi's cosmic wall sweep? I noticed that me and yoshifan are the ONLY ones with sweeps, (CE and CW) other than PK who has two sweeps, I guess he wants to be the only person in the game with a sweep...how evil!
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It sucks, yeah. I just got a new amazing time on CG1 (1:40.37!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the blank space there is actually written with black color.. don't let it fool you ;)) which was CHECKLESS (that's for you, Para), so that will cheer me up a bit! I had a very high 37 check, probably .9 or something.. last check was a 1:31 one..pretty much .4-.6 if I saw that right in the blink of the moment.
Well, I will soon attack at least spot #2 in M3 and M5. It's honestly beyond me how people can collect all 6 rings after the first check and hit the tube so fast without seeing where they're going, so Mission 2 is.. not attack-able at the moment.
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YEAHHH!!!!!!! Very nice :) I agree with the mission 2 , that's one of the main reasons my time sucks.
Look at what talon said a few minutes ago
Damn, my times have been CRAZY today paragod. First it was the 41 62 on CG2, then i got 1 42 02 on GF5. then i got 1 41 22 on CG1. then i got 1 42 25 on CG3 and now i just got 1 40 84 on CG1. Completely awesome and good target times for FR7 and SSL.
you already beat him.. but I bet he'll play sometime soon..
Next stop for you two: sub 1:40!
which was CHECKLESS (that's for you, Para),
Thank you very much! :P
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Yeah, I saw talon's time and it sure is awesome. He's improving on pretty much every level 5 times faster than I improved on Final Rush. And my Final Rush improvement statistic is already quite amazing if I may say that!
Next stop is definitely 1:39! It's just a matter of weeks (Think I have a very busy week upcoming.. <_<)
Thank you very much! :P
I'd like to say that you're welcome, but to be honest, I was just lucky to get it done in one segment.. ~_~
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FR7 wanna be shocked? read our *secret* topic if you haven't yet seen it, talon BEAT *MY* CG1 time!! and he's gonna have a video up later today or tomorrow.
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Definitely a shocker! Can't wait to see the video! Good thing he made a vid of that, now the pressure isn't on me <_<
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You guys are making me feel so NOOB with your times xD, Paragod is improving every single time he has on TSC, Master Final is showing again what he's capable of when he all effort in something(See CG and FC), and Talon... he's beating times I once though to be simply unbeatable o.O(See CG mission 1 & 2).
Leaves the room crying
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who should break the news to Brian?? :(
Right... Well, there's not much for him to explain there as the facts are very obvious. So what now, in the end he's gonna tell us that this al was a joke?
I sure see the wasted potential, as the run without the trick would've been something like a.. 1:43? 1:44? That's already quite good, but yeah. His MH1 run was also good.. (and I don't think you can use the sppedshoe trick in MH)
I just can't give him a third chance.
I figure I may as well reply to this PM here, since it's more relevant:
Actually you can in metal harbor, funny how you mention that, because just hours earlier I was playing it after doing the trick twice for fun, I got a 1:12 something on M1 and 22 on M3, they could go lower too :P
I also played some metal harbor on DC, and got 1:13.77..ON..a.. HORRIBLE RUN. Like the worst run I've ever seen, but why was it so bad? the stupid controller! I can't even get the bounceball to go high enough more than 1 in 5 tries, yet on GC it's 100%. But the good news is that it proves how much potential DC has.
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Got me, I completely forgot that there's a checkpoint at the very beginning. This part is like cut out for me, because I never take it <_<
I actually just PM'd Brian about what happened, and since he's offline it's just about what he checks first, the topic of the PM. Either way, I am sure Brian will agree with us on this case because yeah.. things are very obvious.
So what are you gonna do now, Para?
EDIT: 23k views!
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what am I going to do about what? with talon?
well, i'ma see what he says..I want to try to work this out with him and see if there's hope.
or do you mean me myself? well, I REALLY need to go to bed. It's 4:13 am but I been staying up playing some SA2 waiting for you two so we could see what's up with this fake video, and now I gotta stay up a bit longer so I can hopefully find out once and for all if he has dishonest intentions for the future or if he just wanted to beat me at all costs....he may be totally legit in the end and this is just a big mistake of his.
I hope anyway..if not, a great player is lost.
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You should just go to sleep ;)
There's no need to stay awake because someone thought we might not notice BS in a video, so go and get your deserved sleep. You can handle these things when you wake up again.
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29.55 in FC2!
29.1 would be a crazy max atm.. and that's still not enough.. damn <_<
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dang, I guess PK's time is way better than I thought if you'll struggle for just 29.1 :(
Try to think about 28.80 though.. it's only 0.3 sec better than what you feel is perfect. When I got 33.20 on CE2, I played for 2 hours with no improvement. I kept getting .2's and .3's but nothing better. I was convinced my run was as good as I can get it, and that 32 was impossible.
Sure enough right before I was about to quit, 32.95 popped up, a 0.25 improvement! So even if you do get 29.1 and it feels perfect, keep trying.. you may cut 0.3 like I did out of nowhere, getting 28.80!
by the way you need to read what talon said and post, he has a question for you. he told me to ask you but I figure that's silly cause you can still go there, unless you don't even want to touch it now.
edit: Okay, talk about crazy... PK got 28.87, and.......his goal is sub 28
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PK's time sure is really good <_< and while you may be right, remember that I've spent over 35 hours on that stage in the past week. I even doubt I can get 29.1 under these circumstances.. Oh well, I need some distraction. Tried going for sub1:40 in CG1 only to fail miserably, so I decided to start working on a picture.
Since I didn't really find any cool pics of CE and FR on the internet, I just decided to snap my own ones. I got some awesome CE shots there, which I will upload either today or tomorrow morning at work so you can decide which one I should use. At the moment I'm going for some good GF pics, but that stage is being an ass with moving the camera in action. Luckily, Brian already gave me a good picture I can use should I fail to snap a good one on my own..
And about talon's question.. Well, I'm sure he figured out there's no real answer to this. I pretty much won't believe any of his times unless he has a video (exceptions are in Final Rush and in City Escape and Pyramid Cave because you can't do that speedshoes trick in those levels (I hope that's right <_<)).
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WTF is he doing to get a make a sub28 possible? This is beyond me..
Hey PK, I know you're reading this topic almost every day, ever thought about making a video of that crazy time?
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Oh hey you all are actually starting to realize talon is a liar! What a surprise!
Maybe ya'll should trust me when I ban someone for whom there's clear evidence of being a BSer, and not just go "oh the admins banned him for no reason it's so unfair I don't trust them!!!!" Conspiracy theories ftl.
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Better late than never, huh?
Also, Green Forest. I have no idea if this saves some time (if it does, then only a little bit), but this is easy to pull off and the success rate is very high. Brian didn't use it in this vid, so I figured some people might not know about it.
http://de.tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=fVoSkrnCCyc987lzDEmjSYh4l5k2TGxc
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Yup we realize that, but I am doing my best to change his ways. He didn't cheat that bad, just a speedshoe trick.
That GF shortcut looks is very nice. I had always done the spindash in the same spot, but I never used a bounce ball for gravity control..awesome! Maybe I can use this for DC GF5.
As for Pk.. unlike us I have a feeling that he's not one to share his strategy with you :(
That's okay though, finding a good strategy is half the challenge towards a record, we need to figure it out ourself!
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Yup we realize that, but I am doing my best to change his ways. He didn't cheat that bad, just a speedshoe trick.
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=4105.0
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=4127.0
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=4450.0
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=4518.0
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=4493.0
you're not gonna change him.
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you're probably right, but you never know. I feel that he's a good kid deep down, I just have to teach him a few lessons...
Anyway I got the GF5 record so we're up to 33 out of 41 records! The run was terrible really, but so much can go wrong you'll never be perfect. Sub 1:30 would be a good improvement. I am also very close to Brian on M1, I can see 1:23 or 1:24 without a whole lot of effort.
Brian, what are the new shortcuts you found that you don't use in your 1:24 run? I got my 1:25 without them and if you told me them I may be able to get the legendary 1:22 and give you some great competition! Or are they a secret?
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Hey guys :D, let me say something about talon first: I make PoT's words mine, I won't believe him anymore(or at least for a long time) without a video, and yes, you can do the SS trick in CE. I've seen his video before he deleted it, I haven't noticed anything until the last superbounce, he was clearly too fast for someone who did only one spindash :/. I felt like he underestimated our intelligence >:O
Since I can't say something about FC2, this will make you understand everything O.O
Hey Paragod your new time on M5 is great, it's been a long time since you put your hands on a DC controller :D, I've seen your video FM, I already had noticed that trick :p, but it's great to see you putting your efforts on discovering new tricks ^_^.
Hey Para, there's not secrets between the 3 of us here ;D, I'll try to make a video of the new tricks this weekend, so you'll be able to be the first one to beat the Japanese guy SM talked about :D, and take the first step to reach my sub 1:20 goal \o/
Oh hey you all are actually starting to realize talon is a liar! What a surprise!
Maybe ya'll should trust me when I ban someone for whom there's clear evidence of being a BSer, and not just go "oh the admins banned him for no reason it's so unfair I don't trust them!!!!" Conspiracy theories ftl.
I've never said that, when I first saw your PM I understood everything that was going on but I must admit that I really felt he would change his actions :(
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green forest is UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!there is NO other level in the game with more ways to get screwed over than this one!
I can see 1:21 being possible with only FR7's new trick, yet I am stuck at 1:24 because this level is 99% luck 1% skill and it drives me CRAZY!
I can only get 1:24.. man I don't even want to know how many 1:22's the game cheated me out of with it's BS. I guess it doesn't matter too much though since I don't know all your tricks, the important thing is I gave you motivation to play it again when you get your hands on DC, cuz I beat you :P
We can definitely beat the legendary 1:22!
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green forest is UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!there is NO other level in the game with more ways to get screwed over than this one!
I can see 1:21 being possible with only FR7's new trick, yet I am stuck at 1:24 because this level is 99% luck 1% skill and it drives me CRAZY!
I can only get 1:24.. man I don't even want to know how many 1:22's the game cheated me out of with it's BS. I guess it doesn't matter too much though since I don't know all your tricks, the important thing is I gave you motivation to play it again when you get your hands on DC, cuz I beat you :P
We can definitely beat the legendary 1:22!
Finally! It's about time, huh? =D
I was starting to think that this time was unbeatable. Well, you freed me from work to pick up the controller and show how it's done... at least for a while =D ). This record is already there so long, that Brian should have relaxed and bored. Good, now things will return to run.
1:22. o/
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DAWN YOU PARAGOD!!! I just wanted to be there with you just to deliver a punch in your FACE!
Serious mode activated
Wooray!!! It was almost 1:23 man :D, great job! How did you felt? Did you made any big mistakes? And the Invisible floor? You got stuck in it once like me? Tell me everything!!!
Hey kairi, it's the first time you come here :D
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I guess kairi_pso is the third brother of our Brazilian friends, huh? Welcome to the topic <_< .. lol
Wow Para your new times are really good, and you saying that you could do much better is even more amazing! With all the new cuts you guys could even break the sub1:20 barrier... (and I'll break the sub1:30 one at least!)
But it's really bugging me that the invisible floor is a DC only trick, so I want to find out the EXACT TIME it saves in a perfect run so I could at least compete with you in that way! Brian said that the floor saves 8 seconds, but I figured it must be a little less, because if it really saves 8 seconds then I would be the record holder (1:31 -> 1:23), which I doubt I am.. <_<
Glad to see my new shortcut (not new to brian T_T) helped you out, Para! It's really easy to pull off and saves almost half a second (got that some quickly testing it yesterday, could be a little more or a little less).
you can do the SS trick in CE.
hmm, how? I tried it yesterday and found out that getting a speed shoe from the checkpoint and a speedshoe in the box (when being sent off that ramp at around 0:47 in a speedrun) doesn't give you a faster speed forever. Guess it needs to be 2 speedshoes from checkpoint for that trick to work. Either that, or I just did something wrong.. (but what's there to do wrong? <_<)
there is NO other level in the game with more ways to get screwed over than this one!
City Escape, Final Rush (especially that), Final Chase, Radical Highway. No?
Oh and Brian I meant to ask you if you ever thought about making a White Jungle mission 1 vid? I'm stuck on a 1:38 there forever and feel like I'm definitely missing out on something.
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you can do the SS trick in CE.
hmm, how? I tried it yesterday and found out that getting a speed shoe from the checkpoint and a speedshoe in the box (when being sent off that ramp at around 0:47 in a speedrun) doesn't give you a faster speed forever. Guess it needs to be 2 speedshoes from checkpoint for that trick to work. Either that, or I just did something wrong.. (but what's there to do wrong? <_<)
Sometime last year, another method was found to pull off the speed shoes trick using racing characters. Get a speed shoe by any means and charge a light attack. Keep it charged until the effects of the speed shoe would wear off and you'll keep the speedup. It's actually mentioned at the bottom of SM's guide (http://www.soniccenter.org/guides/sonic_adventure_2_b/guide54).
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On a related subject did you guys ever here of this new radical piece of software they call MSN? Boy it sure is awesome!
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And did you ever think of the possibility that we don't live in the same time zones? Boy that must be a shocker!
Brian and I have MSN, but we're practically never on at the same time..
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thanks everybody..about the 1:24 run, obviously there was enough mistakes to keep me from getting a 1:21 :P Thank the game that I could not even get 1:23. I had a 1:05 last checkpoint which is definitely 1:22, but guess what the game kept throwing stupid things at me to ruin the ending :( I even had a run that I know would of had a 1:04 check, but of course the invisible floor didn't want to work out.
For the run - Yeah I am pretty much doing the invisible floor without ever hitting the edge now, not sure why I never could back then cause it's easy. I had a 1:06 last check, which I had to restart at because I almost never managed the spindash to skip the loop. I probably would of had a high 1:23 but I think the ending is a little slow.. I can never do it perfectly :( Other than that I think I had an average mid check(50 something) and a decent 13/35 for the others. I almost had a 0:12 first check.. I think it may be possible.
Basically I should have 1:22, but since this level drives me crazy I can't stand any more right now. It's best to wait for Brian's shortcuts anyway, and go for that sub 1:20 he feels is possible. After that who knows what's possible on M5 if the shortcuts work there too.. probably way beyond sub 1:25.
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0:12 check is definitely possible, I had a 13.07 and a 0:13.09 once!
Anyways, good luck to both of you! I wish I could compete with you because I feel like I've gotten really good at GF, but yeah.. <_< someone wanna sponsor me a DC? :D
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Paragod... GF really don't likes you xD, have you noticed that you blame GF almost the same way FRM did with CE?
Your times were good, but I've never though about getting a 12 first check, I remember I got so many 13's but not even a single 12 one :/.
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Hmm, I was only able to play for 20 minutes now, but I noticed that I'm doing pretty good on Final Rush again! Been a goal of me to record something at least equal to my 2:09 run just with a quality where you can actually SEE something..
Uff, if I continue doing well, I might as well make a video of that. Probably with 99 lives though, because I'm not up for torture.. <_<
Also tried some GF5 today.. best I could get was 1:50 <_< My personal best is 1:47, but I'm sure I can cut at least 10 seconds there if I really try!
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You know what you should do? Record a video of a perfect check free 2:06 :) yeah I know that's big time torture
I'd be excited to see that!
that's a shame you can't get a DC.. are they rare where you're at or something? I can guarantee you'd have no problem getting in the 1:21-1:24 range for M1, assuming you can get used to over-sensitive control stick.
your 13.09 checks are insane.. the best one I remember was a 13.67 from a failed run. you'd have to have a perfect beginning to go so low which just never happens because you'll probably bounce everywhere.
Brian.. I blame GF because it's not my fault! If the level had no BS at all I could run 1:23 just about every single time.
FR7, lets go down memory lane a little bit.. remember this? from 1 year, 4 days ago you made it::
(http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg279/finalrush7/FinalRushTrophy.jpg)
From our tie! I think it was the 2:11.64 tie too, the one I rounded up from .59 or whatever it was, hehe :P
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2:06, lol.... NEVER!!! Or do you want me to commit suicide <_<
But didn't you say you recorded a 2:08 somewhere?
They aren't just rare, they're completely gone. It's even impossible to find a Gamecube controller here!
Yeah the beginning is full of surprises, as doing the exact same thing twice gets you tow different times.. <_< Guess you'll just have to have a really lucky beginning and finish the level off perfectly.
And I remember this pic =)
Of course, how could I ever forget it! But.. why bringing this up now? Did I miss something? Are we tied somewhere again?
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He's bringing it up because you reached the number of the beast in replies, obviously.
>____> <____<
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NEVER!!! Or do you want me to commit suicide <_<
noooo, I would be upset if you did that. I knew you would refuse to do it since I jokingly asked, but man I had no idea it would be that hard on you :P
I probably did record a 2:08 at one point, but I know it's gone by now.
Hmm.. I guess if your GC blows up or you kill your controller out of frustration(let us hope not) you're screwed? :(
just randomly bringing it up, I was thinking about the new pic you are making us, so I decided to see if you remember our awesome old trophy. Of course!
and uhh.. you up for a post midnight snack or something? usually you're gone hours before this, it must be 2 or 3 am! :P
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Hmm, got home an hour ago.. eating something and then going to bed.. not much to do at 3:45 pm xD
Yes, if anything happens to my GC I will still have the Wii, but if the controller dies on me I'm doomed. Not only would it be ridiculously hard to find one, but I'd also had to play probably $60 for it <_< But I'm usually the calm person who doesn't throw controllers at walls. If I get upset, I rather punch the wall..
Ah yes, I see what you're getting it. Too bad I forgot the file at work so I will probably be able continue on it on Monday..
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you meant AM right? otherwise I am really confused.. I thought it was almost morning where you're at when it is nighttime here. Just wanna make sure.
I'd also had to play probably $60 for it
you sure would be playing 60$, since you seem to be mostly playing at your job :P wish I could have one like that..or one at all.
Ah yes, I see what you're getting it. Too bad I forgot the file at work so I will probably be able continue on it on Monday..
no, I wasn't being impatient about the picture or anything, not at all. honestly. I was just scrolling through your old posts and noticed and thought hey- it'd be cool to see how well FR remembers our awesome trophy tie.
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Yes, I meant AM.
And I meant meant that I would have to PAY $60 or something..
You clearly notice all the errors because I was really tired when I posted that.. <_<
Yeah don't worry, I didn't think of you being impatient or whatever.. Just wanted to tell you what's going on :P Of course I remember our 2:11.64 tie! But do you remember the 2:0.79 tie? That was the first time I went through Final Rush without any checks. That sure was awesome for me (and neither of our times were rounded up =P)
EDIT: Awesome new check time in Crazy Gadget! I managed to hit the first check at 37.72! And of course right after that I ran into a robot. <_<
EDIT 2: I think I found a timesaver in CG! Not too sure how much time it saves, could be from 0.2 to almost a whole second! A video of the cut is to come very soon!
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37.7 is incredible!! Stupid robot :(
One thing you can do on CG to save time over me is bounce balling right before the chain of rings you light dash before the 44 sec check like Brian did in his run, I never thought to do that in my 1:39. looks kinda hard though.
I wanna see this cut! I am sure we could find more than a few if we played hard..maybe we could take 2-3 seconds off the record?
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Yeah the cut is coming very soon. It will be edited into this post!
2-3 seconds sure is a hard task. I still have no vid of CG, so that's stupid as well.. (Luckily I still had 11MB left on the memory card and the shortcut vid is only 10 seconds long, else I wouldn't be able to record even that..)
This time, the cut isn't so easy to pull off, so you'll gotta see if you can incorporate that into a checkless run like you usually do. But hey, you used my huge through the door in PC shortcut in a checkless run, so you should be able to do this, too!
I don't exactly know which ring chain you mean before the 44 check..? Can you explain that a bit more in-depth for me? Sorry..
And honestly, I think my CG1 road will end somewhere at 1:39.7x or higher. I don't see ANY chance of me getting ANY lower. And it's not a Final Stage, so I guess the record isn't supposed to be mine. :P
But you should definitely go for sub1:39 at least! My new trick plus the one of Brian you mentioned should save you the needed time!
EDIT:
Here's the cut! http://de.tinypic.com/m/64gwtz/1
I'm surprised the sound of me hitting the A button is so loud <_<
EDIT 2:
254. That's the number of retries it took me from the last checkpoint in Final Chase until the last tube gave me a perfect run without any stops and without touching any electric barrier plus the jump to the Chao without the pulley. Can't complain about these 254 retires, even if they took away 4+ hours of my life. It's very rare for me to stay at home on Saturday evenings, so I might as well do something "good" <_< Oh well, I definitely can't complain. You should know what I'm talking about as soon as you see my new FC3 stat!!!
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Hey guys, a lot of things had happened while I was off as usual xD.
Your new cut is cool PoT, I've never though about something like that there :p, it can save at least 0.5 sec!!! 'cause you'll only do a HA instead of charging a spindash + jump. Great job on the FC mission 3 TA too, you lowered the record in 5 seconds o.O
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Thanks Brian! I felt like the M3 record should be quite a bit lower when I looked at the progress of my M5 time and saw how yoshi showed me that the record wasn't very good <_<
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Looks good, and doesn't look so hard so I will use it for all my future CG plays.
The M3 record must be good if it's anywhere near as perfect as M1..but how in the world did you retry 254 times when even SM's lives trick maxes out at 99? Or did you just mean combined out of 3 different runs or something.
Now you just have to accomplish the hardest of them all... M2 *shudders*
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It may not look hard, but it's actually not that easy for me. Well, I haven't really practiced it yet, so it works every 5th time for me as of now. Should go down to at least 33% soon!
M3 is still not that perfect, I may even be able to take it sub2:30, but that would have to be a really awesome run, somewhere near the quality of M1. Oh well, I just made sure at least no one is going to catch up that soon. I was a bit afraid because yoshi had just a "good run" with a "so-so" last tube, and I was only like 3 seconds away from him, so yeah..
Of course the 254 retries were combined. How could I get that many lives anyway? lol
And about M2.. I haven't really tried during the past two days, but I guess I'll dedicate some time to it looking for some time savers.. Though my expectations aren't that big. >_>
And I'll be working on a decent CG3 time tomorrow, my time of over 2 minutes is just unacceptable. <_<
EDIT: IT'S HERE!!! I did it! The second person to sub1:40 on CG1! YES!
And I've got one more surprise! Even though I had to restart at the last check twice, I got to it in an unbelievable time of 1:29:99!
I had a perfect beginning with a 37 check naturally (somewhere around .8 I would say..) and my new shortcut worked almost perfectly (lost around 0.1-0.2 seconds), so I didn't have to restart at the 37 check.
Anything else in the run was pretty perfect for my standards. B+A came almost instantly after the 3 ACs near the end, and I successfully skipped the spring at 1:04 as usual.
If this run was a checkless one, I'd have sub1:39(!!!) because I strangely happened to have 80-89 rings when I touched the last check, so I got a speedshoe (Wait, is that even allowed? <_<)! Too mad I missed the last chain of rings (yes, I light dash them. I find it to be equally fast, but easier to pull off than 2 spindashes)..
Last check loses you around 0.6-0.8 seconds I guess, so with the speedshoe... yes, I could have gotten 1:38.8x or something.
I think this is it from me for CG. At least for mission 1. It has cost me a lot of nerves lately because I desperately wanted a sub1:40. And there's a German saying saying that you should stop when you're at the best/highest or whatever.. I can't really translate it that well.. <_<
And Para, I have the feeling that sub1:39 is more than possible for you, you should go for it!
Another edit, I just snagged the 2nd place in CG3. Wasn't really hard, because my new trick is working 100% for me now!
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So I get to wake up to two great new times, and video! Looking good!
Are you going to try CG5?
As for getting a speedshoe from the last check, it's happened to me many times and heck yeah it's allowed! It would actually be a good thing to try to plan out from the beginning. It seems like I got a speedshoe on my 1:39, but I just can't remember..
I've also had this happen on metal harbor, but I doubt it saved any time.
I may play sometime..I should do CG3 first though because that run is nowhere near as good as 1:39 M1. And you know.. I'd be more tempted and willing to play CG1 for sub 1:39 if you beat me first.. :P
Also I noticed you saw talon's new CG2 record.you gonna start talking to him? the poor kid is so upset because FR7 won't talk to him anymore, that's all he says every post almost is I hope FR7 talks to me soon, I hope I can get enough trust for FR7 to talk to me again.. and look at the video, he replied to your comment 3 times!! :P
Here's some examples:
but i need to get the record again on video so FR7 has proof
I hope FR7 comes, man i really want to talk to him.
I feel better if i talked to FR7 or brian (if he's around). Come on, i'm not having any fun now, and i want to,
also, i still need to know what videos FR7 will need to talk to me again. Please FR7, i shall never do it again.
All i want to do is talk with different players and enjoy the competition legitly. Please FR7
Oh man, i dont want to lose FR7, what have I done.
Whatever runs that will make him trust me again. Please forgive me FR7
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CG5 is next, yes. And I may try for the CG3 record, but it's already ours, so I'll leave that one out, maybe.. Not too sure. I feel like it's not the right time for going for records now because I still can't record for another month...
Good to hear that this is allowed, and this should definitely go into our plans, because when you have one speedshoe, you don't need to shindash jump to the last platform with the spring on the edge, you can just jump to it if you B+A'ed before. Quite a time saver if you ask me. It may even be worth a hit from an enemy somewhere!
I'm also getting back into Sky Rail. I've watched Jawzun's run a few times and noticed that it isn't completely impossible to beat that time.
But seriously, I have too many things on my To Do List.. there's at least one thing in every of the 11 levels that I want to achieve or tape!!
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Talon's video was great! Hahahaha if he was a girl, I would say he likes you xD
Man, you guys are really getting so awesome times! I simply can't keep up with you anymore, but I can still bring you good news, if you'll try to take jawzun's record for SR, there's something you need to know, there's a trick in the rail switch after he last check, instead of jumping on the other rail, you can get to it with a normal rail switch, of course it's harder to do, but it can save a good amount of time. I'll make a video of it too when I get the GC again.
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hahaha yeah Brian it does sound that way when you read all those quotes.
I'll try that sky rail strategy.. I suck at doing the jump switch anyway.
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HOLY SHIT I JUST GOT A 41.90 IN SKY RAIL 1!!!!!!
I was just "warming up" and expecting a 43 run or so so I could practice more tomorrow for a 42 and then something like this happens!! Rail switch was good, but could be better. The first 14 second were pure perfection (it's not that hard, happens ever 20th time).
On the first rail switch however, Jawzun does a real rail switch with pressing A while holding the control stick to the left. Not only does Shadow sometimes still jump (meaning with aura around him) when I hold left and press A (he shouldn't do that then..), but I also can't seem to reach the pumpkin when Shadow rarely decides to do the real rail switch.. I'll still have to look into that.
But damn man, the sub42 I could never get back then is finally mine! I need to record this, then maybe you guys can help me out as well. Now let's see which one of my friends has a decent camera..
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I love when that happens..you play..get something great very fast. That's exactly what happened for my 1:57 CG5.
I'm sorry to be so abrupt but I just wanted to let everybody know I am done with SA2 for a while. Maybe forever.
I'm just so sick of the BS. There is not a single level in the game without at least 10 random variables that are completely ridiculous that make you start over, I can't stand them anymore.
I'm just sick of 90%+ of my restarts being the fault of the game. It's just stupid, I've been putting up with it for 3 years and enough is enough. SCREW THE BS! this game would be so much more fun without all the little glitches that make themselves known while you play for perfection.
I also really suck nowadays. I have to play something 8000 times to be good at it, which used to work back then but not anymore. I am really starting to lose my sharpest edge: my determination. Why? cause I can't stand the BS anymore. If this game was at least 60% skill I'd have no problem with it, but the 90/10% BS is just unbearable, and it kills my determination anymore. For example I watched the green hill score record tonight, and I wanted to beat it. After 5 minutes I was done, why? the homing attack SUCKS! Every time I tried to build a good combo the homing attack would either just simply not hit the enemy even though I aimed it perfectly, or it would attack something stupid it's not supposed to like an animal or spring. That record is incredible just for the fact he was able to overcome all that BS. I sure as heck cannot.
Basically, the main reason for stopping this DAMNED game is because I am just not having fun anymore :( I can spend 2 hours getting a record and I get so mad you could hit me in the head with a hammer and I'd not feel it. There's just barely any excitement when you get the record after wards, which proves it's just too much frustration to be worth it :(.
There's 2 main goals in life for every person that has ever lived and will live: Overcoming great challenges, and enjoying their life. I used to get both from this game, but not anymore :( I think I've worked hard enough on this game anyway, it's time to find something new that will be fresh, challenging and fun! Maybe another game, maybe something outside of games.. I don't know yet. But this one is getting old and if I keep playing I am going to end up permanently breaking my hand or something from the frustration. That would be a really stupid thing to do. 3+ years is a lot for one game, and it's only natural that I can't stand the same thing over and over anymore.
I'm going to post here like usual of course, and give tips and discuss strategies where I can..but I'm sorry: I'm done!
SA2 Has defeated the Paragod
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Hahaha nice joke... really.. I mean.. nice..
Wait, you're not joking, are you?..... I'm sure you'll come back to this game, you just need a bit of rest. Like a month or two, or even half a year like before.. I mean, you've gone through this before. Remember the time before the keydoor skip was made possible? As soon as we were able to go through the door, you got back into the game with setting a new record in Pyramid Cave.
I'm sure something like that will happen again!
Until then, have fun doing something else!
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What you said is right, whenever you can't have fun playing, there's almost no reason to keep up, I feel like this too now, that's why I haven't submitted new times in the past few months or weeks, I have some to submit but I don't even care about getting the GC if it's not for making a video for you guys, that's the real only why I still play for real, but if you can't have fun anymore, try to do what I usually do, play without spindash, doing combos, tricks, getting "A" ranks.
If this can't make you have fun, then you really should find something else. I have some activities other than my job and competing here, I practice kung fu every Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday, I play PSO, I'm renovating my old house(yeah, it's not as big as almost everyone's house but it'll be mine :D), it will be my place to rest.
But I know you just need some time to start having fun again :D, everyone needs a break sometimes.
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Hmm, so Brian is affected, too. Well, I guess I'm not at that stage yet (but I was for like 3 times though)..
Can't do anything but hope that you guys will have fun again soon! Until then, the only thing I can do is to keep on playing :P
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Good news! I got a cam from a friend today! (And only for today) <_<
Oh well, went into the level with 99 lives, cam set up and ready to record and got a 42:34 pretty soon. Not bad I thought, and kept on playing. 20 lives later, a sub42 happened again! 41.92!!
Awesome!, I thought, but my goal was it to record something better than yoshi's 41.79 time. Well, I did get a better time at life #52, but it still doesn't beat yoshi's <_<
Still a new record for me! 41.80!!!
I won't edit the vid and put it on YT because what's the point of having only the third best run up there that also loses in the quality aspect? Yeah, there's no use for it on YT, not unless I at least beat yoshi's time.
Oh well, you should still see it, I'll be putting it on tinypic quite soon. The quality is slightly better than usual =D What an embarrasing moment for the run to happen though, as my brother was listening to a radio station and they played a song form Britney Spears at that exact time. <_< The sound is also a bit desynced anyways, so you better just turn the sound off!!
EDIT:
http://de.tinypic.com/m/650b2q/1
REMEMBER TO TURN THE SOUND OFF! <_<
Anyway, about the run. First 12 seconds were just perfect, then I know a lost a little time between 0:14 and 0:25 (probably loading the first/third spindash on the pumpkins) because looking at it in frame-by-frame mode and comparing it to my 41:92 run, I lost around 0.1 seconds. I lost a little bit of time during the second rail switch (you can hit the rail a bit earlier) and I somehow have the feeling that I've done the second rail slower than usual. Maybe it's because I hit it slightly later than usual? Not too sure on that. The rest of the run was pretty much perfectly executed from what I can tell.
I am honestly not sure if I lost some time during the jump from the rail to the first pumpkin, but I guess only Jawzun/yoshi can tell me that.
So 0.1 seconds of loss before the rail, hitting the second rail slightly later also lost me around 0.1 seconds + if what I'm feeling is true and I did grind the second rail a bit slower than always (a rough guess would be that I lost half a second there?), that would be make around a difference of 0.7 seconds!! And even if it's a bit less, the record is definitely in reach!!!
EDIT numero due:
Wow, I just experienced the "perfect rail switch" Brian was talking about in this post:
there's a trick in the rail switch after he last check, instead of jumping on the other rail, you can get to it with a normal rail switch, of course it's harder to do, but it can save a good amount of time.
Not only did I naturally save time by not having to jump for the little while, but Shadow was also incredibly fast on the second rail. This is a huuuge 0.7+ seconds timesaver!!!! Man, should I ever get this nailed in a good run the record is mine for sure.
Official confirmation: sub41 is possible!
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Looking great as usual..you make it look so easy! I swear I've had better rail switches than that but the jump doesn't go high enough..I just don't know what's up with sky rail but I do know sub 42 seems impossible for me, ever since I got 42.67 I've never even gotten sub 43 once.
If you can get the record that would be awesome! With the new rail switch..if you can get sub 41...YOU DA MASTA! I'd love to see that!
And no, it's not a joke. I am done. I really do enjoy the competition with you guys, I should be excited to finally have such great players to challenge me..and well, I am really happy about that. But it's just too late, I'm sick of the game :( At least I had some great competition anyway, the best being the awesome fight for FR1. I also had Brian beat me in many levels, I got a couple back but not all of them.
By the way if you want to count talon's 2 records, we are up to 35/41. (He has CG2 and WJ2) Just 6 to go! I almost had WJ5 last night, but not quite thanks to the spring. And guess what happens when the spring goes right.....yup, disaster.
I feel guilty for saying this knowing I won't be helping..but if ya'll can get 41/41 I will be very very proud of all of you! And to think my old goal was to get all 41 by myself.. there's just no way! Especially with crazy new records like 2:22 FC1...oh god no.
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Yeah I knew the rail switch was only "okay" and thus the second was was a bit slower than usual. I've compared it to another run I had saved and noticed that I definitely lost some time there. I may even break the record without the "perfect switch", but then the run will have to be perfect. I've got some more time to play today and tomorrow, so I hope that'll be enough. Weekend's gonna be pretty busy <_<
Should I not get the record today then I can at least borrow the cam from the my friend again tomorrow and then I may even have a recorded record! But should it happen today... oh well <_<
41/41 would be a final goal of course. Even if we have 85%+ now, it's still far away. After SR1 come the other missions of SR and the inevitable FC2 as well. Lots to do!!
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Great improvement on SR man ;D, your vid is great, I'm pretty sure you can get this record soon, BTW what about the "Perfect Switch"(I loved this name xD)? It's hard enough to not put it in a run for you? IMO the rest of the stage is pretty much consistent so I think it's worth the risk. But we still need a video for the other people, then I'll try to make it(and the other ones too) this week.
Hey Para, it's been a while since you attempted something in WJ, I have some good news for you :D, remember when I said I had a trick that could make the spring always shoot you past the spring there? So, it's part of the instant spindash trick, do you remember how the vines dropped me faster than normal when I used the trick? That's the same deal with WJ, you just need to do the InstaSpindash trick before that vine, then it'll drop you past the spring. Try this out and tell me if it's working for you.
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Yes, the Perfect Switch! I think you misread that, I never said I'm not going to include it in a run, I just said that I don't know how I did it exactly, so I'll have to play the level so many times until I get a really good run and the Perfect Switch works out. Record is going to be mine, I can guarantee you that. The question is only when..
I can't wait for the vids btw!!
And Imma try this instaspindash-vine trick.. see how that works out.. I never thought of something like that before <_< =D
On another positive note though, I found a new timesaver (0.2 seconds roughly) in Sky Rail!! Though it's pretty hard to pull off, but that is usually the case with any new trick.. so yeah ^^
EDIT: 41.42!!!!!
Wooohoooooo, gonna need to rename this level sooner than I thought!! Rail switch was pretty good, but it can be slightly better. I also lost a tiny little bit of time before the last rail. And the 0.2 second timesaver I was talking about before.. no, it doesn't work.. =(
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I was doing the instant spindash on WJ the other day when I was playing Mission 5, it didn't help :( Maybe it always works on the other missions though? I never tried on 1 or 3, but I know the spring is much higher on M5, so maybe that is why it did not work.
41.42......very close. INSANELY CLOSE! Who's da "Final Rail" masta! ;)
maybe that will encourage you to go for it.
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Haven't had the time to try the trick in WJ, but I'll do that later on and tell you if it worked or not.
Yes, I am insanely close! I know I can get 41.1 if everything works out with an excellent rail switch, and should the "perfect switch" happen then the door beyond 41 is open!
And after I get the record, I'm calling this Final Rail <_<
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Actually, screw what I said about the Perfect Switch, with some more testing (I can do it 3 times out of 72 now - 1/24 - roughly 4% success rate) I came to the result that the time saved is definitely in the range of a second..!!
Well, well...
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And did you ever think of the possibility that we don't live in the same time zones? Boy that must be a shocker!
MAN THAT IS SHOCKING
WHY IVE NEVER SPOKE TO ANYONE ON MSN IN A DIFFERENT TIME ZONE BEFORE
Lol.
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Oh, I see you're a funny guy.
EDIT: Messed up a perfect run with a Perfect Switch. I hate myself, this would have been a sub41 one!!!
EDIT 2: Hmm, so I just had a decent run with the perfect rail switch and got 41.52... Maybe it's not saving a whole second..
Still, a good run and the perfect switch will get me the record! I can already smell it. -.-'
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And did you ever think of the possibility that we don't live in the same time zones? Boy that must be a shocker!
MAN THAT IS SHOCKING
WHY IVE NEVER SPOKE TO ANYONE ON MSN IN A DIFFERENT TIME ZONE BEFORE
Lol.
well if they're in different enough timezones then they won't be online at the same time very often. :/ eg, Cruizer and I would only be online at the same time for like an hour a day if I wasn't nocturnal. tho, I don't think the difference here is that much but it's still valid. And really why do you even care whether they post here or not, it doesn't negatively impact you at all so just leave them alone about it. I don't see any problem with this topic (the name really doesn't make a damn difference).
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One try later:
41.09
Even with a small mistake at the end that UNFORTUNATELY cost me a SUB41!!
Pretty perfect run until the rail switch, Perfect Switch naturally, everything else was executed perfectly except that the last hill shot me up, but a quick homing attack and I touched the goal ring. Probably only lost 0.1 seconds or so (yeah, and lost sub41 with that.. <_<)
Still, it feels VERY VERY AWESOME to get a record in a non-Final stage!
I'll definitely record tomorrow and see if I can get something good on camera (and yes, there a high chance I can!).
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thank you Para(heh) or I guess you'd rather be called umbreon. This topic does hurt no one, I don't know what's wrong with rpg..he always seemed to be a cool guy back in the day but in this topic he's done nothing but try to put us down..no encouragement, nothing..just negativity towards stupid little details and it's just not cool. Can you just cut it out? you may think it makes you look cool to the community(the only reason you do it I assume) but it does not.
From now on: anybody that dislikes and only wants to disrespect us and our topic for whatever reason please don't post. This is the SA2B Competition Discussion topic, regardless of what the topic title is. Our posts are not off-topic. We could change the title at any time, but if ya'll don't mind we'd like to leave it as is because it has lots of sentimental value to us.
41.09
I am really out of ways to congratulate you anymore and I feel silly saying the same things over and over..so.. I'll just simply say: YOU DA MASTA! I wanna see you get sub 41 when you go to record, and I am sure you can effortlessly do the M5 record too?
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I'm not exactly sure if I can get M5 that easily, but it's definitely coming up next!!
I made a stupid mistakes at work and had to stay a bit longer so I just got home an hour ago.. Of course I immediately went onto recording a run, and I entered the level with 50 lives. After a few practice runs, I set the camera up and I instantly had a perfect run with a perfect switch. I don't know what happened at the end, but I got stuck somewhere and the run was screwed! I still saved the vid should I not get anything better later on.
Then nothing good came out for another 30 runs, but suddenly I had a semi-perfect run (lost 0.1 seconds on the way), but I slightly screwed up at the end again and the final time was 41.30. Again, I saved the vid, should I not get anything better anymore. Well, then I just kinda ran out of lives and now I'm posting this.
Gonna go eat something now, then I'm meeting a friend later on, and I might do some more recording later today, but I fear I won't have much time left when I get home. Though I will say again that you will all see a run better than Jawzun's very soon, and with a bit luck, the broken 41 barrier will be recorded as well (no guarantee for that though <_<)!
I am really out of ways to congratulate you anymore and I feel silly saying the same things over and over..so.. I'll just simply say: YOU DA MASTA!
Thanks Paragod ^_^
I know exactly how you mean it! And it means a lot to me!!
Btw: This is the 700th post!! =)
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You thought my 2:22 in Final Chase was good? Yeah? Yeah, I thought so, too. But what is this, then? TAS? I call it "Pure Perfection"!
Sky Rail - 40.62
And what's more awesome than this time? Right, the fact that I have it recorded!
Oh man, never would I have thought that such a time would be possible. But seriously, I see absolutely no flaws in this run.
...Still gotta encode/edit the vid, but you can definitely look forward to it!
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i'm going to die if you do not upload that RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm doing my best <_< The vid is over 100 MB big because I got the run like on the 30th life, and encoding that takes some time.. It may even not finish today... :(
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Hey Paraxade, good to see you saying things like that, I think he's angry with this topic 'cause these guys helped me a lot, and now I'm better than him at SA2B xD.
40:62 OMFG!!! This time is awesome! I really, really can't wait for the video :D, you'll get the "times" leadership if you keep playing like this o.O
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Yeah, the times leadership... but this will most probably be a dream forever because of all the mech and hunting levels...
~Video is coming in less than 20 minutes!!
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Here it is! Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bzTQeXgWAM
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!!!!!!!!!
The pumpkins were done with insanely smooth precision, no bouncing or any BS. That and the rail switch are the hardest and most impressive parts!
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The pumpkins were done with insanely smooth precision, no bouncing or any BS. That and the rail switch are the hardest and most impressive parts!
Sure!!! That run was extremely perfect man, you did the switch perfectly, just amazing. So... what's your next level to start the PWNAGE?
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Thanks guys ^_^
I'm not sure what's next, but most probably Sky Rail 5, as long as I have the skill. But I have a hard time finding an optimal route at the beginning, I'm losing a lot of time there I think.. And from what I've read from various comments, it seems that after the rail switch even an AWESOME jump doesn't get you to the higher platform. I was never able to do it, so I guess that must be true?
SR5 aside, I'm definitely beating Paragod's Crazy Gadget record and hope this will act as a little motivation for him (he mentioned something like that briefly in a previous post).
I also want sub1:45 on City Escape, but that is just so damn difficult for me.. <_< I actually have a lot of plans and don't even know where to start. Sub26 in Green Hill for example.
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I made a comment thinking SR5 jump was impossible, but remember I really suck at it on M1 so it may have just been cause I can't do the rail jump well at all. Have you tried with the new perfect rail switch? If it doesn't work with that then it may be impossible.
I think I have the best beginning route, I can help you there if you need it. What I do is fly off the rail landing near the homing-attack twirly thing and go up with that, go up with the next one..then I THINK i went to the platform and did a spindash jump to those rails and hit the next twirly thing, and then I was at the first check. Something like that anyway, if you don't understand i'll play and remember exactly.
I also want sub1:45 on City Escape
Get 1:35, and I'll play again even if I can't stand the BS! :P
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I haven't had a successful Perfect Switch on M5 yet, gonna try that later today. And I think I'm using the same route as you do, but the best time I can reach the first checkpoint at is 0:16. This is already 4 seconds slower compared to M1. That, plus the fact that you lose time after the rail switch on the last platforming section over M1, I'm losing way more than 5 seconds on the way...
Oh well, I'll just play some more today.
1:35 is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE, not only for me, for everyone. I wouldn't even make it with the "one-check speedshoe trick". <_< =D
EDIT: Wow, even Jawzun said that this looked perfect. ;D
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look who's above you in SR5....bring back any memories? :P The old master of FR!
and curiosity has struck me..because one of the guys who commented on your video said "Go for sub 40 even though it's probably impossible"
What would be harder for you/more impossible? 1:35 CE1 or sub 40 SR1? :P
you'll figure M5 out soon enough.
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Yeah, I know that you are above me, CE(and overall) Masta!!
Sure brings good old memories back, but it looks a bit weird that the time was submitted in 2007 <_<
Oh.. very easy question to be honest. Fact is, I can't even describe how impossible 1:35 would be. Impossible, impossibler, impossiblest? Most impossiblest?
The chance of me being the complete time champion is higher than getting such a time.
Also, the chances of sub40 SR1 aren't even THAT off, to be honest. Think back a month or two and tell me who would have thought that even sub41 would be possible? Definitely not me. The same might happen this time. Or a crazy newcomer (I always like to mention that :D) comes around and beats it, or some little tricks are found. The time is at .62 now, a bit more than half a second - one cut and the barrier is in sight!
I also don't want to play any SR1 anymore until something new is found, because should I actually happen to slightly lower my time by 0.1 seconds or so, I'd be pretty pissed off because this is actually the first time I have my best time on video. No 2:07 in Final Rush, and no 2:22 or even 2:25 on Final Chase that were recorded.
Yeah I think as soon as the beginning is down, M5 shouldn't take too long. Though honestly said, I think I need a break from this game, or gaming in general. I work on Mondays-Fridays (always in front of a PC <_<), and I've been playing SA2:B for the last two weeks for more than 5 hours a day!! (More than 8 on weekends). Idk, but it's just a bit too much for me. I've been rubbing my eyes a lot lately. I don't think I'll be playing more than an hour in the next few days/weeks.
Though a few days of rest and finalrush7 is back on track! I've been feeling the urge to do some score attacking lately, so I'm pretty soon gonna submit all my scores probably so I have the better overview on what to concentrate next.
But I also want you to get back into the game, so beating your Crazy Gadget time will in inevitable for me!
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Yeah, I know that you are above me, CE(and overall) Masta!!
No.., not me. I was talking about Zealous! The old FR Masta! I was just wondering if that brought back any memories being right below him, cause I remember when that was the case in FR when we started talking. You couldn't wait to beat him, (for the silver trophy) and then me!
Impossible, impossibler, impossiblest? Most impossiblest?
heh..cool words :P the firefox built in spell check says they don't exist, but screw what it says! they're cool!
And damn... I figured sub 40 would be impossible for sure but you're saying it can be done with pixel perfection..I understand you not trying for it, and I never expected you to. 40.6 is awesome as is!
Yeah...PC all day and SA2B can mess your eyes up. Fortunately I got something more fun to do nowadays so it's not all pc/tv, and I notice my eyes have been feeling better..and focusing better! I had a hard time playing games in general cause everything seemed blurrier and I had a worse reaction time. That's what sucks about a PC job..you're stuck looking at the damn screen all day, or most of it. I don't think I could do it for that reason, personally.
Speaking of PC's, do you have the monitor's refresh rate set at 70hz or higher? I noticed when I changed mine from 60 to 70 it made a WORLD of difference. The flicker was gone, and it was waaaaaaaaay easier to look at!
Take a break if you need to. Heck me and Brian are, you may as well join in so we're all stopped together! I'm starting to feel a lot better after no SA2B for a few days..odds are i'll end up taking the plunge again :/
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Oh, it was Zealous you meant! Well, right, you're not the old FR masta, you're still the masta at it =D
I actually didn't even notice Zealous being in front of me... <_<
What I also noticed when I observed Jawzun's vid is that at around 30 seconds, he is 0.8 seconds behind me, yet my final time was only 0.63 better than his. So there is *shudder* some room for improvement. But I'm definitely not going into that!!!
Well, my eyes are still perfectly fine, I have sharp 120% vision on both (just went to the doc yesterday), but they sure did hurt a bit. But it's not the first time that this happened (hmm, November 2008?) so I know it'll be gone within days. Yeah my job is actually a really awesome one, but being 6+ hours in front of a PC sucks. I hate that.. and I'm not sure where to set the refresh rate to 70 hertz..?
But I know about the different you were talking about. My friend just bought the new Panasonic TV with 600 hertz, and damn that thing is like another dimension! Everything is just so clear and fluid and vivid!
Taking a break, yeah. I can't do score attacking for too long until I get pissed off, so that's my next plan! Too bad I forgot to submit my scores yesterday.. <_<
odds are i'll end up taking the plunge again :/
That's awesome to hear! Just make sure to take things slowly in the beginning, especially as the competition is calming down a little bit. And then it'll suddenly go like BOOOM again! <_<
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Yeah of course, the old master Zealous! He had the SR1 record since 10-26-03 the very first DAY TSC existed! He had it for a looooooong time, all the way til 12-03-07, when I took it. He was tied for the longest-standing site record with green hill, until I took GH, then it was #1.
How dare you not notice him above you! You should be paying him your respects! :P
Where are you watching jawzun's sky rail video at?? The best run I can find out of his videos is 45.84....
My eyes can still see above average too, I don't think my sight itself was damaged it just got blurry for a while from being strained all the time.
That's awesome to hear!
no, it sucks!! If I play, it's just a short matter of time until I am yelling at the character for constantly BSing me!
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Yeah I honestly didn't notice him.. my bad. But you can't blame me, I'm only looking at the top spot :D
Jawzun has made a big mistake with that, yeah. His run is actually on youtube, but he put in together with one of his 2P vids. Go to his channel and search his videos with the keyword "bonus". It should pop out instantly.
And it doesn't matter if it's just a short amount of time. There's been enough cases where playing after 10 minutes got someone the record (and yes, I'm mainly looking at you, Para) :P
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Thanks for that, I think I remember the run now but I just forgot where it was since it's quite hidden. The run was a little disappointing after watching yours though :P
You looking at me? Yeah I get 5-10 min records every once in a while..not often enough to make up for the bs though!
Talon has been doing some insane plays recently.. he said he got 25.07 or something on Green hill after just a few minutes, as well as taking my RH2 record within a few more minutes with 36.65. We both see 35 as a slight possibility, provided somebody can make an insanity perfection run..something along the lines of sub 28 FC2 assuming PK seriously does see 27 being possible. He will probably be satisfied with 36.3 or so though once he masters the loop skip. He also got 1:42 on WJ3 but that's not so great. He did take WJ2 to sub 41 though! 40.84!
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I wouldn't call it disappointing! Just..slightly slower. And the quality is amazing, too!
Well, getting one record makes up for all the BS for me, but I guess that's not the case for you..
I guess you should always only play for 5-10 minutes. Within that short time, you can't get enought BS out of the game to get you in rage, and there's always the chance to smash a record :P
I haven't read what talon said, and I don't wanna doubt him, but 25.07 after a few minutes? I don't know.. I just don't know....!
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Well I played.. look at the 2 new stats. Now we're up to.. 37/41!! (with talon's 2 records)
I also just got the M3 record! Tons of potential left...
You thought that was exciting though? Oh that's nothing compared to one other thing I have to say about WJ....
I FOUND A WAY TO SKIP THE ANNOYING SPRING ON WHITE JUNGLE 100% OF THE TIME
Can you believe it? About time is it not? Not even Brian has figured this out yet, so I must be quite special! Let's just say I was like oh HOLY **** when I realized it was working every single time, it obviously makes white jungle so much better to play. SO MUCH BETTER! EASIER! SO LESS ANNOYING!
It is really simple, but kinda hard to explain.. you just do Brian's insta-dash, and let go of every button except the B button, and as soon as you start swinging you tap the control stick up and the A button in a certain way, and you skip the spring every time. you'll have to play it to figure it out, but notice how when you swing if you tap up or the A button you swing with more force..you gotta tap them the proper amount of times and you always go high/far enough to skip the spring! Seems like if you press them too many times though you fail.
It is definitely awesome though, I have about 80% consistency with it. 4/5 runs will skip the spring! Once mastered, it could go to 100% for sure.
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Now look who's been playing again! And even a 2:28 in Final Chase! I'd bet that you are going to beat yoshi with your next attempt! Awesome times, and the times you are potentially seeing are even more awesome!!
So a 4/5 chanceat the spring, huh? I'm gonna give that a try later on, I'm sure it's not that hard to figure out (though I have never noticed that tapping A while swinging makes you swing with mroe force..
So 35/41 (37/41)! I should definitely start working on Sky Rail 5..
And Metal Harbor 1 is still far away. But there's still hope, didn'tyou get 1:13 on DC with a "bad" run!?
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Playing final chase made me feel like such a useless player compared to you..you got 2:22 in a perfect run, I got 2:28 after restarting from the 40 second checkpoint 50 times because I can't do the tubes without getting stuck. I suck and you're perfect :(
White jungle made me feel a little better.. I played 5 minutes on M5, discovered how to skip the spring every time and 5 minutes later got 1:42. M3 took about 15 minutes, and I played M1 for over and hour and could not beat Brian. I did have a run on M1 that had 1:29 potential, but I failed the roll skip before the 58 sec check(which would of been 57 or even 56 on this crazy run!)
I want that M1 record!!!
Yes, my metal harbor DC run was 1:13.77 and I had like 2+secs worth of mistakes compared to my 1:13 GC...but it's just so hard I'll never be perfect :(
Talon said he might be able to borrow a DC sometime, if he does he will give it a try.
I don't know how you cannot beat even my sky rail 5 yet..maybe it's cause of the fact you did not do the mega jump. Did Jawzun do it on his crazy 45?
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Did Jawzun do it on his crazy 45?
Well, its obvious I did the ultrajump. Don't you guys do it on M1? xD
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Final Chase is not City Escape, Paragod. I read in one of your youtube comments that you brought 90% of the luck factor in that stage down to skill. You can't expect to do that in Final Chase (yet). No one has played FC as much as you have played CE, and no one found a 100% consistent trick for the tubes. If you do everything right (speed, angle, jump height) when touching a tube, I'd say that you have around a slightly over 50% chance of the tube playing along. There's around 7 vertical tubes (the horizontal ones don't give me any trouble), so the chance of getting every tube right in the same run is around 1%.
Checkpoints 0:38 and 1:32 don't lose you too much time, so I would even recommend using them, even if it goes against your nature. I never went into Final Chase expecting a run in one life. While the perfect run I had did depend on skill naturally, I just got that lucky 1% chance that all tubes played along nicely. My M3 run was almost of the same quality, but I'm pretty sure it's impossible to get the last tube to the Chao done perfectly, hence why I see sub2:30.
I don't know too much about White Jungle, I suck at it (1:38), and I'm still waiting for a good video. You didn't record any of your runs by chance? And once you get the M1 record as well, you should go for a sweep! AMAZING NEW TIMES BTW! =D
Well it's quite clear that MH1 is one of the hardest records left to get! I haven't watched the 1:11 run in quite a while, but I'm sure that it is not completely perfect. Then again, I haven't touched a DC controller in years, so I don't know how difficult it is to adapt to it.
Sky Rail 5 isn't that hard to take, but I just need to wait for a perfect run. Strangely, I've played the level over 100 times today and never got a Perfect Switch! There's no reason for it not to work, but yeah.. <_< And the mega jump is halfway possible as I said in my comment, if you have full speed, you can make it to the 45° edge of the higher platform. A quick homing attack after that and you're back on the way. The homing attack loses you around 0.3 seconds. I'm not sure if with a Perfect Switch, the Awesome jump will get you to the platform without the need of a homing attack. I hope so though, it would make things much easier for me. But yeah, I have to the get Perfect Switch done first. <__<
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2 new stats.. I improved M2 (effortlessly) and stole M1! (15 mins) Brian has some catching up to do now!
I might try for a sweep..but talon's new record looks pretty good.
The tubes suck..it is all about jump height, angle, speed, timing..it's way too insane for me to master!
I haven't recorded anything because I am playing with high quality hookups(LOOKS AWESOME!) but unfortunately my vcr won't work with them :(
Maybe I should though to demonstrate the strategies I use.
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Saw it, taking the TSC record in M2 shouldn't be too difficult I suppose?
Congrats on the M1 record, even if it is a close one!! Do I need to say WHO DA MASTA? =P
And yes, I'd really love to see a good vid of WJ if I'm not asking for too much with that, because there's NONE out there.
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thanks FRM (Final Rail masta :P) Wow, FRM goes with Rush and Rail! Awesome!
I'll record something tonight just for you, I can't guarantee it will be a perfect record but it will highlight every strategy I use and definitely be at least 1:32. But maybe I'll nail an insane 1:29 whilst recording, just like you got 40.6 SR while recording..you know how that stuff works out sometimes :P
I could take the TSC record probably, but I don't like M2 very much plus it would not be official since talon's record is almost a second better. A TSC sweep is not an official sweep if someone out there has a better time! I like Brian's WJ1 comment...he had it for a lot longer than he expected I bet! almost a year!
expect a edit soon with news on the video.
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Awesome, thank you CEM!
I'm not expecting a perfect run, I just need something to follow! And if you nail a sub1:30, then that'll be even more awesome. And, is it safe to assume that you're back into the game? The confirmation of that would make my day ^_^
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I don't know..but white jungle is fairly fun for the time being
I already got: 1:30.89, recorded, no checks!!
It would of been even better, but I didn't do the trick at the start of the level right, and since I was just going for a demonstration I didn't bother trying until it was right, since you probably already know how to do it. (It is very annoyingly inconsistent for me)
Woulda had 1:30.4 or better probably but oh well..this run is very nice! you'll easily see how sub 1:30 is possible.
how long are you going to be on? If you have a few hours I will be able to upload all of the times I have on tape so far, like CE 32.95, green forest 1:24, Radical highway 59(If I still have it, not sure) as well as a few others I think..
If you're gone soon, you'll have a nice wake up surprise!
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Awesome!!
Going to bed in a few minutes Not too sure where in America you live, but odds are you can add around 6 hours to you time to find out mine., so I guess I'll have a nice time tomorrow morning at work!! I can't wait!
Oh, and check your PMs~~
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that's cool, it will probably take me a while longer than that anyway cause I have to copy the runs from tape to dvd, and then convert that to wmv..takes quite a while.
Plus I think I will throw in some bonuses! like Metal harbor M3 22.69 speed shoe trick and maybe some other similar runs..i'll have an awesome video package up by tomorrow!
by the way I hope I don't cause you to lose sleep tonight, by being so excited about what you'll be seeing tomorrow.. I know excitement always keeps me awake at night.
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I think I am going to tape WJ5 too since it's a lot different than M1.
Also if you wanna know why I haven't uploaded the whole batch yet.. I have a question. Turns out I still had some old FR runs that did not get taped over!!
M1: 2:08.52 (you mentioned this one a while back)
M5: 2:13.59
Both of these are check-free..do you want to see them?
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Bonus runs plus 2:08 in FR and 2:13 in FR5????? Well, good thing you didn't tell me that yesterday, because I definitely wouldn't have gotten ANY sleep would I have known that!!
I'd love to see these runs, of course you should upload them!!
You didn't even have to ask, how could I possibly turn such an offer down!??
Oh and did I mention that I love your sub1:30 on WJ1? AMAZINGLY DONE!!! Your new WJ5 time is awesome as well!!
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I used 2 checkpoints on WJ1 :( The 43, and 56. The 43 one cause I messed up somewhere, but I didn't lose time on it cause I managed to pull off an inconsistent loop skip to make up for the time loss. If only I could get the loop skip to work every time..the 56 one I used cause i messed up with the vine force and hit the stupid spring.
Of course, I now see 1:28 being possible.. but that's check-free insanity right there with a level where stuff never goes right. I am satisfied with sub 1:30 checks or not!
I still kinda like 1:30.89 checkfree better though, since we all know how I am :P I will probably upload them both into 1 video, showing my best time and best check-free time. Yes, I did get the 1:29.99 on tape! I was actually playing on M3 trying to get 1:36, but the run was so good I said screw the chao and went for the "back" ring. I am pretty sure this is allowed, cause the time stops the same way it would hitting the goal ring, and I did it on my old 1:54 Pyramid Cave "M1" run (see comment) and no admins said anything, so it must be okay. If I had played M3 like I was supposed to though, I know I would of had a high 1:35...
Yeah it sounds like you were lucky I didn't know I still had my FR runs :P I found them while looking through the tapes to see what I had. If you're curious, I found these:
City Escape M3: 1:06.80 (Restarted only once, at one checkpoint)
City Escape M2: 32.95 (No restarts!! yeah of course hehe)
Radical Highway M3: 59.97 (1 check used, restarted 16 or so times :/)
Final Rush M1: 2:08.52 (Had a few terrible looking spots :/)
Final Rush M5: 2:13.59 (didn't even watch this one yet.. I just saw it whilst fast forwarding)
White Jungle M1: 1:30.89 and 1:29.99 (Going to make a dual-run video for this as I said)
White Jungle M5: 1:41.20 (Yes I got this one on tape, forgot how many checks I used but quite a few I think.. I guess I should upload it anyway)
Metal Harbor M3 SS: 22.69 (Cool run to play and watch, can be improved!)
Sorry I didn't have a surprise for you when you woke up :( I didn't really have a chance to transfer the tapes cause like last time the dvd recorder was busy being used by somebody else..maybe tomorrow you'll have a nice surprise! Yeah here we go with the excuses again.. :(
I also got a new record: City Escape M1... 1:36.32
It sucks though, I am not submitting it. You know why!
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City Escape M3: 1:06.80 (Restarted only once, at one checkpoint)
City Escape M2: 32.95 (No restarts!! yeah of course hehe)
Radical Highway M3: 59.97 (1 check used, restarted 16 or so times :/)
Final Rush M1: 2:08.52 (Had a few terrible looking spots :/)
Final Rush M5: 2:13.59 (didn't even watch this one yet.. I just saw it whilst fast forwarding)
White Jungle M1: 1:30.89 and 1:29.99 (Going to make a dual-run video for this as I said)
White Jungle M5: 1:41.20 (Yes I got this one on tape, forgot how many checks I used but quite a few I think.. I guess I should upload it anyway)
Metal Harbor M3 SS: 22.69 (Cool run to play and watch, can be improved!)
Okay now I DEFINITELY won't be sleeping until I see all these runs! Ohh, I can't wait!!
1:36:32, hmmm I guess you used the 35 checkpoint? You're right, you shouldn't submit it, you should go for a checkfree run in City Escape. Everything else is probably hurting your pride!
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The amount of checks I have been using recently is astoundingly bad. :(
It's..not like me.... Not like me at all.... Who am I becoming? I am not even going to know who I am anymore if I don't stop..the checks...the checks! THE CHECKS!! Evil!! Stay away from me! I am slowing being possessed by the SA2B devil..checks...and even..the security hall 2 lives trick....How is this possible? How can someone.....go from.... 4-lives no checks on every run down to this...checks, multiple checks sometimes even!....and using more than the default 4 lives..... how..... could I be reduced to this..?....slowly, I am being possessed....and taken to...the....dark side of this game's competition techniques.....the one thing I always fought AGAINST....my determination..must be......slowly diminishing..for me to resort to.....such...cheap tricks to gain....time records......my determination......and skill......will never be......the same................
On a different note I hope you can sleep tonight, I may or may not have them up by the time you go. Oh and by the way talon wants to know if you did anything different on your 29 FC2 run compared to your 31 video.
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It's..not like me.... Not like me at all.... Who am I becoming? I am not even going to know who I am anymore if I don't stop..the checks...the checks! THE CHECKS!! Evil!! Stay away from me! I am slowing being possessed by the SA2B devil..checks...and even..the security hall 2 lives trick....How is this possible? How can someone.....go from.... 4-lives no checks on every run down to this...checks, multiple checks sometimes even!....and using more than the default 4 lives..... how..... could I be reduced to this..?....slowly, I am being possessed....and taken to...the....dark side of this game's competition techniques.....the one thing I always fought AGAINST....my determination..must be......slowly diminishing..for me to resort to.....such...cheap tricks to gain....time records......my determination......and skill......will never be......the same................
Official reply: I'm actually too lazy to point it all out, but you got several SA2:B (the most played game here, with the toughest competition) records recently. As I said, where luck plays an important role in a level, using a check is not forbidden, nor is it bad!
Unofficial reply: Checks or not, that's unimportant! Gotta show no mercy in a heat competition, isn't that what you said to me in a PM?
No hurry with the videos btw!
PS: That damn 217 rings in MH5 are actually giving me trouble <_<
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Got that damn 217 rings <_<
And take a look at my new SR5 time! 0.22 behind Jawzun, awesome huh!? I easily lost over 0.5 seconds on the way, too! As I said, once I get a perfect run where everything works out, I can beat his time! Until then, it's just a matter of not giving up and not getting frustrated. I was able to do the Perfect Switch twice today, so I now know it's possible! I even see 44, but that would be as crazy as my M1 time!! <_<
EDIT: Had a potential 44.8, but the Perfect Switch didn't work out. It's for some reason much harder to pull off in Mission 5 >_>
EDIT: Record would have been mine by about 0.05 seconds had Shadow not been shot up the last hill. <_<
Oh well.. Perfect Switch is still nearly impossible to pull off... damn
EDIT: Official confirmation: The megajump on M5 has little to do with speed. Of course, you shouldn't be slow on the rail, but the most important factor is the time you jump. The nearer the edge of the rail, the further you jump. And you have to be DAMN near the edge to make it.
Which comes down to: Take the rail slightly slower (but still fast enough naturally) to have a better chance at the megajump, or go full speed and risk everything? Getting the feeling for full speed down is very difficult even for me. It mostly depends on luck. You have like 2-3 frames time to press the A button..
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Is that why I have such trouble with it on M1 even with lots of speed? I didn't think timing really mattered, I just hit the button near the end. You got so close on M5 =( Keep going!! just keep this in mind: 38/41!!!! that's insane!
Anyway I also have an official confirmation: as soon as I post this message I will be making the videos, so perhaps in 1-3 hours they will be done and uploaded!!
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I actually think that it doesn't matter AS much in M1. And I've had several record-breaking runs so far, but damn the megajump sure is hard to pull off. It even happens that I hesitate and don't press the A button at all at the end of the rail <_<
Cool! I should be here for the next two hours! But I wouldn't mind a wake-up special either :D
I'm looking forward to WJ1 and FR5 the most!!
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Just one question though.
At the end, which rail is faster? Because I took the left one in my 45.60 run.
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To my knowledge, the right one is faster. I don't know by how much, I never really tested it.
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I got them all transferred! Now I can just upload them, 1 at a time.
I'll do WJ first since everybody wants to see that, then FR and the rest.
Within 20 minutes or so the first one may be up!
I decided not to do FR1 since it's nothing special that we haven't seen, and I didn't do the SS trick on metal harbor cause I didn't feel like looking for it. That's okay though, I'll make a big batch of bonuses next time!
white jungle M1 is up! it'll pop up on your video page any minute now..
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If you would excuse me, I can't post a proper reply until tomorrow at work because I'm in shock. I've seen WJ1 and FR5 and damn that was just...
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WJ did have some shockingly crazy parts huh? Like the double roll skip in the beginning, that one is tough as can be but it looks cool and saves almost a second. I can see that putting you into a deep shock :P
FR5 was not great really, I missed that long rail at the end among other parts, where our strategy has improved. that's why you need to beat me! 2:12 is not much better.
I guess you can watch CE3 tomorrow as well as the highway, CE2 and also, I forgot about it in my post but I also have my new green forest M1 record as well! it really sucks as you'll see, (1:22 potential) but it's okay, once Brian gets a DC with his new tricks he'll get 1:20 or sub anyway.
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This officially brings our discussion back to TSC instead of that silly video site.
Go to bed, FR7! when you wake up you'll be able to see the once thought impossible:: Sub min on RH3!!!!!! It doesn't get any more exciting than that! As well as a couple others.
As for FR5, yeah it does get this topic back down to it's very roots of discussion! How cool is that!
I think you should play first, since I am already ahead of you. The only new strategy I can think of right now is the first 18 seconds.. there's gotta be a way to do it faster than my video. I remember one time when I went to jump the chaos blob, I landed right back on the rail! Or on the ground..it was one or the other. It was completely luck, but if we get something similar consistently we could probably do it as fast as M1 which is a second right there.
From there,..well....I don't know yet til I play the level. But I know there are lots of improvements for sub 2:10!
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The videos are great! All of them are pretty awesome, CE was really great, and I saw you did the B+A in the rail like I did in my 1:47 video :D, it really helped a lot. The FR video I tough you didn't have the tape anymore(You said that a month ago when I said I wanted to see it), it was just amazing, I've never seen almost all of your tricks, you beat my mission 1 time in mission 5, this is very fun xD. WJ was great too, now I don't need to make a video of it anymore xD, except for the second loop skip, everything else I already did in my 1:30 run, so for me there's not too many things to make me able to get a lower time there :/. Awesome, just awesome, I can't wait for the other videos :D
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thanks sir brian man!
If you can do all the tricks on WJ check-free, you can easily beat me.. I probably lost a whole second from both checks added up.
In the green forest video, I definitely blew 1:22 at the end as you can see. :( mainly because of the check, but also cause I had a terrible jump to skip the loop, and the jump/bounces at the end were horrible compared to yours. But like I said who cares either way, once you get DC you'll get 1:20 or better depending on how many time savers you have that I do not know about!
anyway they're definite all up now, what a bunch of work that was!
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I still don't feel like playing again :/, after seeing your video of CG(1:41) for the 352th time I've realized something. I can't get a DC now, so don't expect something coming from me in Green Forest mission 1. But even if I can't keep up with you guys, I'll be here to help with new tricks, Mr. shortcut will always be analising your runs ;D
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WJ1 - This one stunned me completely. Granted, WJ is the only level I don't know perfectly yet, but you showed me SEVERAL tricks that were amazing due to either how hard they seemed to be, or how much time they saved!!! This one was just great! Can't say anything else here, really!
GF1 - Very clean run, and I like how you incorporated my new shortcut nicely! You lost quite a bit time at the end, but I have the right strat for you that is very easy: Use the superbounce and then a quick B+A. I was actually surprised you didn't do that, it's quite a bit faster and not hard to pull off at all! Can't wait for Brian's new cuts!
FR5 - This is the fastest run I've ever seen of FR5, so even if it wasn't really perfect, it was definitely nice to watch. Taught me some nice little cuts, too! But yeah, we'll go into anaziling the run/level later.
RH3 - This was also amazingly done. First loop skip was new to me, as I was never able to pull it off that well. Restarting at the check didn't matter much to me, as the overall quality of the vid didn't suffer at all! It was just beautiful. Though I was always of the impression that jumping to the boxes -> killing the robot -> taking the rocket was faster than using the pulley path. Guess I was wrong..?
CE3 - Not much to say here, I see pretty much no room for improvement here! Maybe I'm missing something small due to my n00bishness in CE, but this really looked (near) perfect!
And I've been reading the first few pages of the topic again and found something really nice:Hopefully you guys make up a new generation of SA2 elite.
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hey FR7! you surprised to see me up to early? I got some important things to do today, but I won't be leaving for about 3 hours of now.
I am glad everybody is enjoying all my long-overdue new videos! Even Brian learned a few tricks! That's the name of the game when it comes to videos, learn and enjoy!
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Yeah, isn't it like 3AM where you are now? <_<
Of course we enjoyed your videos, and I was 100% sure everybody would learn something new from them!
I also got somewhat good news: I can borrow the cam from my friend again, so I guess I'll be recording 1-2 hours of Sky Rail 5 today, though this time I set my goal at a recorded sub46 run. This time, I cannot guarantee to get a record on video, because yeah.. It's much harder.
But I'm positive I can get something good on video. There's no vid or SR5 last time I checked, and I feel I need to have something up there.
Because at the moment, the SR5 strat is pretty much well-known, but I think I should still make a vid if only for the "next generation" which seems to come every 3-4 years, just like Stefan said. That sentence of him really doesn't wanna get out of my head..!
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close enough.. 5:02 right now!
actually I had a 52 video for SR5, but not only is the link dead and the video file lost forever, 52 sucks sucks sucks SUCKS SUCKS! :P
A sub 46 video would be great, let's hope you nail another crazy run whilst taping again though!! :D Don't worry if you miss that though.
Yup, you and Brian are the next generation for this game. Especially Brian, because he is good at all the levels. I am definitely the old generation for sonic/shadow, but fortunately, I am able to keep up with you young people... so far.. :P yeah I know I am only a few years older than you guys but that still counts! you start sucking when you hit 20 like me :(
Will you be playing some Final Jungle sometime in the future? I wanna see how much you can improve your 1:38. notice how I am trying to trick you by saying "final" jungle..hehehe...hoping it encourage you to play it sometime..no rush though!
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Oh well, I was close. 5 AM, wtf are you doing at a time so early?
Yeah, no offense but 52 really isn't good <_< But no worries, Rush-Chase-Rail masta is going to give you a nice video this evening (hopefully)!! Maybe even a 44 one, but that's pretty unlikely. I never get so lucky <_<
Yeah me and Brian, I hope he soon gets back into the game! And people form the last generation are still here! yoshi, you, PK! and even SM is still finding new stuff! But generation alone isn't everything, you're more than just keeping up with us. I mean just look at your videos :D
And if it's true that you start being worse when hitting 20, then I've got a little bit more than 2 years to set some records where people will instantly give up!
Yeah nice one trying to trick me in! I'm definitely going to try myself at WJ now that I know a few more tricks, but I guess frustration awaits me, just like everytime you try something new at first.
I've also set myself a final goal in the times division! At least Top5 in every Sonic/Shadow level that doesn't suffer from GC disadvantage! Then I want to improve some of my scores (but not too much, I suck at score attacking anything that isn't Final Rush). If I get everything in orange in the scores I'll be happy. I started with some RA lately, slowly working my way up to the top. Most videos of RAs are down though, so it'll be a touch search.
And then bosses...bla bla bla too bad it doesn't save your time. I got some boss times written on a paper somewhere, but I don't thinkI should submit that. And the races.. yeah I suck bad at them, I doubt I will even try much there..
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I got a big trip to do today, in about 2 hours and I wanted to make sure I am ready instead of sleeping until somebody wakes me up 5 minutes before we leave, I hate that :P
I never get so lucky <_<
This picture says BS:
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5958/newbitmapimage2fw.png) (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/newbitmapimage2fw.png/)
Also, look at the last one..I just noticed how cool it is..you me and Brian in a row..that's how it should be for all the sonic/shadow levels!! Not in that order every time though, of course.
Yeah, no offense but 52 really isn't good <_<
I think that's the first negative thing you've ever said about me, or my records/videos :P First time for everything right?
I've got a little bit more than 2 years to set some records
It's cool, by 2 years you probably won't be playing anymore anyway unless you get that level-name hack working..then you'll be playing til you get every record.
I like your ultimate goal for SA2B, nothing ridiculously hard where you have to kill yourself to get there, but not something super easy you do in 1 day either. A nice balanced challenge to be proud of upon completion. :) For white jungle, don't be discouraged if you can't do the loop skip after the 43 sec check. It's not really a skill thing, it just happens when you get lucky. It would be nice to pull it off in a checkfree run to get 1:29 or 1:28, but there's already enough to go wrong...never know though. Your 2:22 FC1 proves you can get that 1 in a million run sometimes! The rest of the shortcuts should be quite easy.
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hehe nice picture! And yeah, it definitely shouldn't always be in that order.
Paragod:
White Jungle
City Escape
Metal Harbor
Pyramid Cave
Green Hill
+ maybe a few records in non-speed stages?
Brian:
Green Forest
Radical Highway
+ definitely quite a few records in non-speed stages!
PoT:
Sky Rail
Final Chase
+ I've always wanted the Lost Colony record. But I'll attack that MUCH MUCH later
Final Rush and Crazy Gadget may change somewhere...
Well, it all depends on when the video was done. If it was done back in 2005, then it was probably really good. It all depends on the time..
Yes I need to get a hacking program to rename the level's names <_< Should that become possible soon, I'm gonna bring CE1 to sub1:30 <______< hahaha funny joke <_<
I think something like high 1:32 - low 1:34 would be good for me. It all depends though. Should I really have fun in WJ, I might go even lower..
Remember I used to hate Crazy Gadget, and look where I am now that I started having fun with it.
I'm also working on a new top secret (<_<) shortcut in CG, and should it work out, we'll both be racing for a 1:37 for sure!! Don't get you hopes up too high though >_> Whenever I say I'm working on a new shortcut the chances of it being possible are like 15%..
But for now, have fun with your trip!
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Should that become possible soon, I'm gonna bring CE1 to sub1:30 <______<
if you get a time like that you're going to have to do some explaining on where you're from, because clearly no creature born on this planet is capable of anything below 1:34, and even that is pushing insanity.
yeah, that figures.. keeping something top secret so you're the first to sub 1:39 or even 8....
nah I am kidding it's okay, I hope it does end up working though because 1:37 is a big cut!
oh, it turns out I am not going on any trip today, not the long one as expected anyway. A short one soon though, maybe 2 hours.
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Well I mainly said sub1:30 because we saved 8 seconds on Final Rush. And it's not really top secret (hence the <_<), it's just that I don't want to tell you it until I'm 100% sure that it works out.
And you should maybe consider playing CG1 once or twice a day (just a quick run through it) because I can get sub1:40 pretty much every 50th try or so. And you never know when I get an amazing run that will give me the record (maybe even with a high 1:38), so yeah...
But I'm not playing it that often, so who knows when (and if) that will ever happen.
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And I've been reading the first few pages of the topic again and found something really nice:Hopefully you guys make up a new generation of SA2 elite.
This means a lot for me, Stefan is a very cool guy, and a great player too, I'm happy we could turn yourselves in what he said that time :D
Hey guys, don't you sleep or what? I was awake until almost 4am and when I wake up, there's another page here xD
Para, don't say these things about reaching the 20's to me D:, I'm barely 1 year from there T_T
I liked your goal PoT! I remember when I said to Paragod that one of my goals was to be one of the top 10 in times, now look where I am! I guarantee you that, you don't need GC to get to the top(We can't use yoshifan as an example because he's beyond humanity), look at my times, there's only 2 of them that were done in DC, and another thing, I don't even did the hunting first missions TA(what can make me lose at least 80 points, I'm 128 points behind yoshifan, then it'll come down to 48, you got the idea ;D). Ring Attacks aren't that hard as you may think, of course some of them are very annoying, but most of them are easy to do, and I love RA 'cause it's something I haven't done in the game until I started for the rankings, if you're having problem with any of them I can help you.
Also Para, I liked that pics of the FM's records, I haven't noticed the FR ranking, man... I really need to get a sub 2:10 there :/ I can't see you guys 6 seconds ahead and don't feel like this xD.
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This means a lot for me, Stefan is a very cool guy, and a great player too, I'm happy we could turn yourselves in what he said that time :D
Yeah, I feel the same way =D
I remember when I said to Paragod that one of my goals was to be one of the top 10 in times, now look where I am!
Yeah you climbed up the charts at an incredible speed! I just took a look at your times again and man I gotta say you did an excellent job there! I could never be bothered to TA any shooting mission except Lost Colony 1 (and even there I'm only average). But I have lots of time so should I once fail at a certain RA, I'm just gonna skip it and redo it later..
I really need to get a sub 2:10 there :/ I can't see you guys 6 seconds ahead and don't feel like this xD.
Good luck there! This may be quite difficult even for you!
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I really want to get the Final Rush m1 time record, but seeing as I just can't seem to do the level in one part, I always have to resort on checkpoints, well, 3 of them. Main problem is, you have to spindash after 2 of them, that's where I lose a lot of time. I'm thinking nearly half a second....
(The Sonic Adventure 2 discussion topic. Powered by Paragod, Brian and finalrush7)
Win.
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it's just that I don't want to tell you it until I'm 100% sure that it works out.
gotcha. Totally understand!
Para, don't say these things about reaching the 20's to me D:, I'm barely 1 year from there T_T
well, it all depends on the age of your mind state really. How old do you feel mentally? I'm 20, but I have the mind of someone who's only 10 years old :P so the 20 year thing won't hit me anytime soon. Worn out eyes and fingers may though. :( Can't stop physical age/damage!
Also Para, I liked that pics of the FM's records, I haven't noticed the FR ranking, man... I really need to get a sub 2:10 there :/ I can't see you guys 6 seconds ahead and don't feel like this xD.
that would look REALLY cool to see you at sub 2:10 with us! If you can handle it, do it!
Good luck there! This may be quite difficult even for you!
yeah, but imagine if he played it with us, and was able to play as much as us. He'd have the first and only 2:06, guaranteed.
And speaking of 2:06..once we start our M5 fun and get some records... I think I am going to be tempted to actually go for a 2:06, on tape..my 2:08 just looks so bad I can't see 2:06 being that hard. Will you be upset if I take your record? you wanted 2:07.32 to be yours eternally...
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Oh, I also feel like I'm younger than my physical age, so I guess I'll have more than 2 years..
Well, first of all, I'd really like to see that 2:08 run, even if it has its flaws (It's probably pretty similar to my 2:09.92 run, just without checkpoints and with a quality where you can actually SEE something <_<). Maybe you can upload it to rapidshare or sendspace so I can DL it quickly? That would be really nice!
And I remember exactly how hard we fought to get down to 2:07, so I'm actually quite surpised to see you saying 2:06 doesn't seem as hard anymore. After all, we estimated 2:06.8 as the complete max, didn't we? Or maybe you found another timesaver? I'm curious to know how you can see 2:06 being easy..?
And to be completely honest, yes, I would be quite upset should my record be broken. I always knew we woud sorta come back to FR1! But then again, that shouldn't stop you from going for it, because you can't expect your record to last forever either, and it's not like I'm going to give up then! I'll take it back even if it takes me another 4 years!! :P
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And I'm sorry to say that yesterday was another day full of SA2:B shit, I just didn't do well...
Best I was able to record was a 46.43 and I absolutely refused to even save that run because I got hit by the flames! Second best recording was a 46.73 and that's over a second away from the record!
No, everything just sucked yesterday <_<
I lost the motivation to play after a bit more than an hour... Though I might get something good on cam today. No promises! <___<
EDIT: I haven't told anyone, but I've been secretly working on getting my special timesaver on FC2 to work more than just 1/1000 times, and I've made some progress. And seeing talon's 30.15 video showed me how to make it even more consistent! If done right, that cut might save 1-1.2 seconds, meaning if I can include that in a good run, I'll break PK's record and the sweep will be mine again!
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I feel the same since I was 12, many things has changed from there, but nothing that made me change the way I live.
that would look REALLY cool to see you at sub 2:10 with us! If you can handle it, do it!
This was a big hit in my face! This is the first time you don't had faith in my abilities D:
If you'll really go for 2:06 please don't forget to tape it, I still want to see your mission 1 video, it must be awesome!
Hey PoT you really had a bad time with SR man o.O, don't give up, you'll take this record , it's just a matter of time, and I can't wait to see what's this new shortcut you found in FC2 ;D
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It's not that he doesn't have faith in you, but it's more that we all know it's easy for us to get close to a record, but once you're only a few seconds away, it's all about optimization, and you can only optimize something you've really played a lot. :P
Oh this time, if someone of us gets 2:06, it will definitely be on tape. But M5 comes first!
And yeah about FC2, I think I now know how to pull it off more efficiently. Let's just say it involves using tghe trick you told me about at "a certain point". (Don't want to give away too much in case it doesn't work out the way I want it to..)
And no worries about me, M5 isn't stressing me out at all, I'm playing for an hour per day or so, and I've had many potential record breaking runs, and as soon as I can finish one of them it'll all be over.
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his was a big hit in my face! This is the first time you don't had faith in my abilities D:
ah no man you misunderstood me, I should of been more clear with that statement. What I meant was if you can stand to play long enough to get 2:10, because I know you've been taking a break from the game. I basically meant if you feel like playing for long enough before you get tired of playing it :P Not doubting your ability one bit: you can clearly get any record, be it action shooting or hunting on ANY level if you want it badly enough. You're the SA2 MASTER!
and yes, we both promise we will have 2:06 taped if achived! Promise!
i'll reply to everything else later.. I gotta go do something and I can't reply to everything yet.
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And I remember exactly how hard we fought to get down to 2:07, so I'm actually quite surpised to see you saying 2:06 doesn't seem as hard anymore.
I just think that once we play it again, and all the movements stored in our memory fully come back, we will find that 2:07 is easy, and 2:06 will not be as crazy as we thought.
Sometimes it just works that way..you play something WAY too much and you just can't do better, but skill builds over time usually..so coming back much later, you'll be way better and nail it
Maybe not, but I have a feeling that will be the case, and is why I want to try for 2:06 sometime.
I'll take it back even if it takes me another 4 years!! :P
hahaha..your determination is right up there with mine man! We all know it will not take 4 years though.
Though I might get something good on cam today
take your time, we're all patient :) personally, the only time I am impatient when it comes to videos is when you have a INSANE time recorded and you tell me all about it..then my patience goes out the window and it's like.....UPLOAD THAT DAMN THING RIGHT NOW BEFORE I DIE!!! :P
And since you two insist, I will include 2:08.52 FR1 on my next batch of videos. But before I can have a batch of videos I need new records..so I have to play hard!
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Well, that could certainly be possible, but I just don't know if I have enough motivation to go for 2:06. That will most likely change should you break my record though! I think we can all say we are better now than we were in 2008, can't we?
And meh, had some big plan changes yesterday and didn't get to play for a minute. I won't have time to play today either... and I gotta work tomorrow (yes, even though it's Saturday <__<). Maybe I'll have some time on Sunday...
But I'm glad you decided to upload FR1 the next time! It's the best recorded run after all.
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That will most likely change should you break my record though! I think we can all say we are better now than we were in 2008, can't we?
Knowing you, yes, it will change quite quickly ;) Am I just being over-confident about 2:06's do-ability though, is the question.
heck yes, we are both way better than we were in 2008. In 2008 you probably died trying to slide down the very first rail in sky rail(haha..over-exaggerating of course :P)but now you have the record, and insane one at that. Maybe we can't get 2:07 on the very first try, but I bet in a few hours we will..and then see 2:06 within reach.
Hopefully by the time I get the next set of videos up I'll have a 2:06 or at least 2:07, then I won't have to upload the embarrassing 2:08!
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Lol can you please stop acting as if the 2:08 was that bad? <_< It's just 1.2 seconds off the record!
But honestly said, I think you're a bit over-confident there. I doubt even 2:07 will be that easy... I mean, when was the last time you played FR1 seriously? <_<
In 2008 you probably died trying to slide down the very first rail in sky rail(haha..over-exaggerating of course :P)
hehe no I didn't even get to Sky Rail, I couldn't get past the boarding section in City Escape at the beginning of the hero story!
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I got now :P, hahahahaha I really need to get some time to play, then I'll tape the tricks run of Green Forest and maybe some others ;D
I can't wait to see it, and F7 is right, 2:08 is an awesome time, you think it's not 'cause you're the man who always pursue perfection. get the these new crazy times fast please \o/, and I'm sure you guys will get this 2:06. And I'm sure we've become a lot better since 2008:
Paragod got 1:06 on CE mission 3, sub 33 in mission 2 and almost got his mission 1 record, got the sub minute Chao record on Radical Highway
Final got the Sky Rail mission 1 record with an amazing video, almost got Para's record in Crazy Gadget mission 1, had the Final Chase mission 2 record, 3 seconds better than the old one, got 1:23 in Green Forest(1:31 in GC)
and I got some records but more important, I learned how to play the hunting and mechs stages :D
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Ok I'm sorry I'll stop hating my 2:08..it's just with the 2 big mistakes and the outdated beginning strategy I don't like it!
speaking of beginning strategies, you really need to check this video out. Maybe you already do it, I don't know but I never did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkH3MhpD0Vw
Instead of jumping off the first rail to the platform and spindashing, he just jumps from rail to rail but somehow has way more speed than I could ever get..he appears to save anywhere from 0.3-0.5 sec doing so compared to our way! that's enough right there alone to improve your 2:07 to 2:06.
hehe no I didn't even get to Sky Rail, I couldn't get past the boarding section in City Escape at the beginning of the hero story!
man, you used to suck so much beyond belief, how did you ever get so good? I did better than that when I was 12 years old playing SA2 for the first time on DC!!
we sure have Brian, we've been doing awesome for just a short year! I can't believe you mentioned everything but FC1 for FR7..that time is easily his craziest of them all.
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Yeah, I've seen his video before, that beginning route is great, it's all timing, but a very hard strat to pull of fast to me xD, I'm still playing with my old strategy(which you guys will see when I tape a run of FR).
OMFG!!! How could I forget that o.O, it didn't even caught up my mind when I was typing, it surely is a crazy time, I really suck hard at that stage :P
Hey guys some good news, I went to Cort's house yesterday and played some SSBM then some SA2B, I decided to play Green Forest and what came out of this? Now I can get sub 1:30 every 2 runs, checkless of course, it's just too easy for me now, I had 4 sub 1:30 completions in a row, they were: 1:29:60/1:29:57/1:29:60/1:29:49, so when I bring the GC to my house, I'll try to tape my "Dream" Speedrun, I won't stop until I get 1:28 there, when I get this I'll submit this time, 'cause I'm not the record holder anymore and I want to have a fair competition with yoshifan. And that reminds me of putting my GC time back in Meteor Herd mission 3.
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Hmm I've seen his vid before but I didn't notice that.. He's saving almost a second there over us! It's hard to see with the quality, but he enters the tower almost a second before us! And honestly, it's just one jump from rail to rail, it can't be that hard. And even better, it's right at the beginning!
Yes my FC1 sure is awesome <_< I still can't believe how every tube worked along! That's something you should never except when going into that stage!
so sub1:30 is easy for you, and you're going for 1:28, that's really awesome! That actually makes my 1:31 looks bad <_< But I hope you can get an awesome 1:28 (is that the max?) and even tape that run! I might go for sub1:30 with all the new tricks you're going to show us! Good luck Brian!
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45.14 in Sky Rail 5
Haven't played for two days and then after 16 tries this comes out. Second to last rail was a bit slow, and I lost 0.3 seconds on the pumpkins. I might go for sub45 soon, but now I seriously need to go back to FC2!
Official count: 36/41!
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it's not 39/41? you don't count talon's records anymore?
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I never counted them. What counts for me is what people can see here..
EDIT: Jawzun is apparently up for a Sky Rail 5 competition! Awesome!
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Great time man :D, I can't wait to see any video of it, even better if you get sub 45 on tape, and the Final Rush video... the quality isn't perfect but I could see that he enters the building at very low 18, but that's 'cause he was slow after the first check :/.
Thanks man, I'll tape it once I get it, I'll take the GC to my house today(I'm at Cort's house now), but I haven't though about the max for GF1, I'll only need to adapt again to the little delay when playing in my PC :P
So jawzun is gonna compete for the gold trophy with you? That's a great new :D
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Too bad I wasn't able to get the 45.14 run on tape. I'm sorry. But yeah, Jawzun said along the lines of "You don't need to take a break. I'm going to get sub45 ;)". And should we really get into competing there, the chance of you guys seeing as awesome run is not only increased due to two people playing and able to record, but we might get the estimated max even lower (dare I say that..?). Not to mention that Jawzun's vids are of awesome quality!
Yeah I usually also enter the building at low 18, but I'm much faster after the first check. I'm seeing almost a second there!
I wish you good luck on taping an awesome run in GF1! And don't forget to play some stages just for fun, you didn't have the GC for a long time IIRC!!
EDIT: finalrush7 is holding 7 time records in SA2:B now! =D
Zeph edit: 6 now. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.
finalrush7 is holding 7 time records in SA2:B! =D
And now with a sub45 in SR5! This weekend was/is really good!!
The weekend got even better! Damn man, I didn't think I'd get it that low! 44.40 I am officially DONE with Sky Rail mission 5 unless Jawzun somehow manages to beat me. Now I need Sky Rail 3. And I know I can get that without much trouble..!
49857th EDIT: SR3 = 20.45
Took me a while, and I think the time is quite good. Maybe I can get another sweep down? I currently have 29.2 in SR2, but that's likely to change soon. Let's see how difficult this will be..!
Hmm, so I watched yoshi's vid twice and after around 20 failed attempts I already get the third place? I don't remember the run exactly but I'm sure I can cut another 1.3 seconds there, no..!? We'll see..
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It goes like:
24.22
23.74
23.60
23.45
23.42
23.35
23.34
23.25 - Hey Brian! Let's hold the record together! I'm about to beat you by 00:00:01 lol 2nd time attack sweep!!!
23.24 - Win.
23.14 - AWESOMENESS
-> I can see JUST see 22 being possible. Maybe I'll get it? I'll spend the whole day tomorrow playing SR2 and filming. I'll see if I can get something good on tape. ;)
9 records now, btw ^_^
37/41
EDIT: Found a way in Pyramid Cave where you can backtrack from the goal ring to the starting point (new?). This will most likely increase the max ring amount to 457 because the last checkpoint becomes available: 417 + 10 + 10 + 20 = 457
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http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3769.msg49823#msg49823 (http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3769.msg49823#msg49823)
I already said that man, don't you remember o.O? You don't even need to go to the end of the stage to do that, you can easily get back from the door behind the last check.
Hey! You got another sweep man! This is great! Even if 2 of the records were mine D:
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Oh, damn. It's not like I wanted to steal it from you or something, I was just watching a ring run today and that came to my mind. I'm sorry.
But yeah, I'm going to try out if 457 is possible. I'm actually sure it is, but judging from Parax' video, the backtracking seems really hard. Maybe I'll even make a partial video about it. Who knows. With the new cam I'm getting plus the new PC and the much better internet connection along with the better editing program I'm going to download making vids should be much easier for me!
Yeah, a sweep in Sky Rail, who would have thought..? I'm going to try and get something decent (better than yoshi's vid at least) on cam while playing Sky Rail 2. If I can get something recorded quickly, I might even switch to make a SR3 video, but I really hate that mission. >_> We'll see..
EDIT: Got a nice 23.15 on tape. I'll see if I can get an even better time recorded!
EDIT 2: One try later, I get another 23.15 >_>
EDIT 3: 23.04! New record! On tape!
EDIT 4: THIS IS IT! A PERFECT RUN! SR2 22.64! That's what I've been waiting for! And you will be seeing it, too! Phew... I guess there was a bit of room for improvement after all.
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No no, I wasn't saying you've stolen it, never, I just pointed out that I already had noticed that, but I thought no one was up for doing it since no one replied to that :/
OMFG!!! I'll never try to take this record back, you surely is the real SA2B master, not me as Para has said some time ago, our new ranking is like this now:
1-Paragod
2(since we can't put 1.5)-PoT
3-Me
Your new times make my records look ridiculous, I'm sure you can get all of them now, at least I'll always be one of the top 3 hahahahahahahaha
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I think I should reread the whole topic again because this isn't the first post I've apparently missed.. I'll sure be up for that to see if it's possible.
Ah, I think you're going a little bit too far there. Sure, I've got some really good records lately, but it's still limited to certain levels, whereas your potential in all levels and Para's determination completely overwhelm me.
I'd say you and Para are tied for first and I'm in the third place, but I guess I got a step closer to you guys =D
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hey everybody
sorry for such an abrupt disappearance, there's some hurricanes going on around here and my power died and I am just now able to get on. when you live far from the city like me, you're the last priority and it takes forever to get it back. But I am alive! No damage!
FR7, holy shiiiiit man! FC2 27.6!!!!!!!!!!! you blew the hell out of that level! PK *HAS* to be challenged big time by that one. Crazy. Near perfection?
SR sweep, M2 and M3 records sound like perfection to me. You said you got one or two or them taped! Awesome! You ARE the FR, SR, FC *****MASTA******** beyond anybody's skill. Forever! SR5 sounds really crazy too.. DO YOU HAVE PROOF? :P i know that's getting old, I will never use it again
Looks like superstar almost beat my GH record too...I checked the new video, his route is definitely a little bit faster. Too bad I really suck at it :( it will be tough to get the record back once taken, and of course 23.
And did anybody see rayku's new RH3 time? it's insanity, I figured perfection would be 59.70...he got damn close! wonder what perfection really is.. 59.5? insane.....too bad he doesn't have a video, but I trust him. He's been around for way longer than me, he's one of the original sa2 kings!
1-Paragod
2(since we can't put 1.5)-PoT
3-Me
NO NO NO NO NO
1. Brian
2. FR7
2. Paragod
yes, we're tied now. get a sweep or two more and I am a definite third. :P
AWESOME SHIT RIGHT THERE!!!! 44.1 would be max, but is anyone THAT crazy?
if it was a level I liked as much as CE, yes. I am that crazy. I could do it.
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First to the most important answer: I got the record 22.64 for SR2 on tape. Plus the (second best time) 44.94 for SR5 (at least it's sub45, plus the only mistake I did is very clear and not too hard to avoid).
Sucks to hear that you have the worst weather conditions atm, but at least that's over now! Good thing you survived >_>
No, actually 27.69 should be improvable by about half a second.
You ARE the FR, SR, FC *****MASTA*******
^__^ ;)
Yeah superstar is really near there, you should try to get back into the level soon if you want to defend the record! Not much to say to RH3 though.
1. Brian
2. FR7
2. Paragod
No matter how you turn it, I'm definitely in third. =D
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well you sure are on late..having a weekend blast party or something? waaaaay past your bed time young FR7!
SR2 isn't super interesting for me but I would watch it whenever you get it up. look at my SR3 time, it sucks... I could have 22 or 21 but I always mess up at the end trying to get to the chao platform...if only shadow had a bounce ball. my SR2 sucks too but that was with a old route and I didn't play much, I could probably do 24 pretty easy.
so sub 27 is almost possible huh? wow... even PK only sees 27.5, so you must have some great cuts over him finally. super coooooool!
And to think that if he never played it the level would likely still be at 31...(maybe 30?) competition rules... we should thank him for helping take FC2 to insanity, and CE2 from a sucky 33.95 to a perfect 32.95.
Not much to say about RH3? I wonder why..that time is incredible. It's probably about as perfect as sub 1:06.5 on CE3 would be, maybe close to sub 1:06? not sure....even with my best checkpoint splits, I thought 59.69 was perfection (as in no one would even get close) but he got damn close..maybe the pulley is slower at the beginning? or he's just insane. I actually sent him a personal congratulations last night because the time is so good.
No matter how you turn it, I'm definitely in third. =D
ya'll just don't stop over-crediting me.. I can't believe Brian thinks he's third... he's not even close to second. how in the world can someone who is 6th in the game overall and ranked SECOND overall in the times division be worse than someone like me who is only good at one type of level? come on Brian.. you're #1 by far at the moment. don't be silly!
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No matter how you turn it, I'm definitely in third. =D
ya'll just don't stop over-crediting me.. I can't believe Brian thinks he's third... he's not even close to second. how in the world can someone who is 6th in the game overall and ranked SECOND overall in the times division be worse than someone like me who is only good at one type of level? come on Brian.. you're #1 by far at the moment. don't be silly!
Congratulations man, you're a guy who always encourages people to them can overcome the limits! no doubt, you're amazing
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I've finally been able to play, it's almost 3:15 AM here and I can say that I'm really done for now, maybe tomorrow I'll try to sub 1:29 again, 'cause the stupid game simply doesn't want to give me a great run, I got a 1:29:00(Taped) but no sub 1:29, BTW I have a new record for the set of springs: 39:80! I have it taped too if you guys want to see it :D
ya'll just don't stop over-crediting me.. I can't believe Brian thinks he's third... he's not even close to second. how in the world can someone who is 6th in the game overall and ranked SECOND overall in the times division be worse than someone like me who is only good at one type of level? come on Brian.. you're #1 by far at the moment. don't be silly!
I don't count my abilities in other stages, I just count my Sonic/Shadow ability, maybe we'll never come to a deal about this xD, but I'll make a list of things that make me think this way, then I'll show you guys why I'm the 3rd.
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my god Brian 39 at the springs is incredible... you must make a video!!! I want to see these shortcuts! it's the only way I can get the M3 record! 1:29 M1 on GC is crazy too.. I kinda wondered if 1:28 was possible without a crazy shortcut back when you submitted 1:28, sure enough it is!
I can't believe I cannot figure them out my self :/ I promise you I have searched high and low, but nothing..
Brian = #1
don't argue the facts man :P why do you want to be third so bad anyway? it seems like you would proudly accept the #1 spot..
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SR2 isn't much different from yoshi's 23.29 video. I haven't watched his video again and compared them, but the differences are surely the minor optimizations. I don't like SR3 at all. It's not much about skill but more about luck. SR5's 44.4 is quite crazy, probably almost as crazy as my M1 run. Too bad I didn't tape the 44.4, but I got a 44.94 on tape and the two runs are completely identical save for one mistake, and that's a quite obvious one (I missed the mega jump). I almost finished setting up my new PC so if all goes well I might upload them even today!
I've always sucked at RH so your mission 3 run looked perfect to me. I don't see where time could be saved anymore, so my comments would be quite useless. <_<
And I don't know why Brian insists to be third either..? I'm curious to read that list of why he deserves to be third though. I actually got a nice solution to this, but more about that later..
Congratulations man, you're a guy who always encourages people to them can overcome the limits! no doubt, you're amazing
Yeah, I've said that to him, too! xD
Can't wait for the vid of GF! It doesn't matter if it's not sub1:29, because what's the difference between 1:29:00 and 1:28.90? Nothing, so just upload it for us to enjoy a crazy run!! ;)
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And I don't know why Brian insists to be third either..? I'm curious to read that list of why he deserves to be third though. I actually got a nice solution to this, but more about that later..
I also keep wondering: Why Brian wants the third place? I never had the idea to ask him that question.
Can't wait for the vid of GF! It doesn't matter if it's not sub1:29, because what's the difference between 1:29:00 and 1:28.90? Nothing, so just upload it for us to enjoy a crazy run!! ;)
I agree with you PoT
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Vids are on their way, 10 more minutes!
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Can't wait for the vid of GF! It doesn't matter if it's not sub1:29, because what's the difference between 1:29:00 and 1:28.90? Nothing, so just upload it for us to enjoy a crazy run!! ;)
I agree with you PoT
in this particular case, I also agree. they'd both be insane!
I've always sucked at RH so your mission 3 run looked perfect to me. I don't see where time could be saved anymore, so my comments would be quite useless. <_<
oh I get it now, you're saying you don't have much experience with this level so you have no idea how good his time really is.
And I don't know why Brian insists to be third either..? I'm curious to read that list of why he deserves to be third though. I actually got a nice solution to this, but more about that later..
I wanna see this too..Brian is currently the best!
Remember:
I've been here 3 times longer
He's the one coming up with insane new routes and strategies
He's good all-around
those are among the main reasons why he's the best......cmon Brian just admit you're #1..funny huh? most people would be thrilled about people saying they're the best, Brian wants to argue it though... Brian is definitely a funny guy huh? :P
videos in 10 minutes.....yeahhhhh!!!!!!! SR52!
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Sky Rail 5 - 0:44.94 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhfk80GgmOg
Sky Rail 2 - 0:22.64 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw2z97ePz6I
No idea why the quality of one is a bit worse than the quality of the other one. I can't figure this new tool out, I need to find a good torrent for Adobe Premiere Pro.. >_>
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Both are amazing! Especially the mission 2 one. I doubt anyone other than you can ever beat that 8)
And since you guys are talking so much about the fact that I want to be the 3rd, I'll show you why I'm not the first:
First of all, I'm not talking about my skills as Knuckles/Rouge and Tails/Eggman, I'm only talking about my Sonic/Shadow skill.
1- My spindash SUCKS! I really suck at this simple thing, as you guys can see if you compare my RH and MH videos to anyone else, my spindashes are slower than almost all the others especially when compared to you guys, look at my last 2 spindashes in GH, or how many spindashes I can do after the second light dash in MH, I always do 1 less than everyone else 'cause my stupid fingers don't push the button fast enough to charge another spindash before I lose some speed.
2- My B+A sucks too, I don't have videos to show you that, but almost all of them are a big problem to me, 'cause I need to wait longer to do it or else I'll touch the floor before doing the HA, see Para's Crazy Gadget video, his B+A after the last superbounce was done VERY CLOSE to the floor, just watch his video in slow motion.
3- My skill as a Sonic/Shadow player is not as great as you guys think, the only thing I can do well in this game is find new strategies, most of my records were done with a new strategy or just an optimization of the current one, and I don't call this skill, it's totally different of you guys, who can push any stage hard to the limit.
Remember, I'm talking about my Sonic/Shadow skill, not my overall skill.
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Those are some fair points, but guess what?
When I first started, I sucked so much at B+A I couldn't even do it on the first staircase on CE without hitting the ground first. But look at me now, I can do them almost instantly like you said. That's just skill gained over several years of playing! Same thing for spindashes, I didn't start out that good.
Also, maybe if you use the B and A buttons the same way I do, you will be just as fast. I am assuming you use the middle or tip of your thumb, and if you do I can see why you are so slow- I am slow that way too. I use the first joint on my thumb to push the buttons (right on the line there) and I noticed you can B+A and spindash much much faster, easier and more accurately! I've been doing this for years. Of course everybody's fingers are different so it may or may not help, but I would give it a shot. Hopefully you understand what I am talking about
Still takes practice of course, but try it if you don't already do so. You may find my speed very easy then!
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Thanks Brian!
My spindash SUCKS! I really suck at this simple thing, as you guys can see if you compare my RH and MH videos to anyone else, my spindashes are slower than almost all the others especially when compared to you guys, look at my last 2 spindashes in GH, or how many spindashes I can do after the second light dash in MH, I always do 1 less than everyone else 'cause my stupid fingers don't push the button fast enough to charge another spindash before I lose some speed.
Not too much to say here to be honest. I'm sure you've done a lot of speedruns already, so you have the practice. But it's all useless if your fingers just can't keep up. Though doing more than one spindash in a row is not used THAT often, so you're a bit lucky there ^_^
2- My B+A sucks too, I don't have videos to show you that, but almost all of them are a big problem to me, 'cause I need to wait longer to do it or else I'll touch the floor before doing the HA, see Para's Crazy Gadget video, his B+A after the last superbounce was done VERY CLOSE to the floor, just watch his video in slow motion.
What I said before counts pretty much here though, but looking at your 1:4x in CG3, you did the B+A quite fast. Coincidence, or are you underestimating yourself? =D
3- My skill as a Sonic/Shadow player is not as great as you guys think, the only thing I can do well in this game is find new strategies, most of my records were done with a new strategy or just an optimization of the current one, and I don't call this skill, it's totally different of you guys, who can push any stage hard to the limit.
OBJECTION! You should make yourself clear that finding a completely new strat for more than 20% of the level is almost impossible in this time. This game's been out for over 8 years, people here have been competing in it for over 6 years. The best route is usually well-known, but what makes true skill is optimizing that and maybe you'll find a shortcut or two yourself. And seeing as you've already found so many shortcuts, I just cannot believe you think you deserve only the third place! And it's not like I found any major timesaver so far..
But I do see what you mean when you exclude the shooting/hunting missions, as this competition we have is pretty much all about Sonic/Shadow..!
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Also: What Para said ^^
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Thanks so much for cheering me up guys, your tips will surely make difference in the way I play, except the spindash thing, 'cause I really think my fingers suck hard xD
What I said before counts pretty much here though, but looking at your 1:4x in CG3, you did the B+A quite fast. Coincidence, or are you underestimating yourself? =D
No no that's different, there I did the B+A fast but what I'm saying is the time it takes to hit the B button then the A button got it? Anyway I'll try out what Para said, or else I'll need to switch to X+A(Which is what I do in my MH M3 run after the 2nd chain of rings), but that's another deal, and we don't need to talk about this here.
I DID IT!!! The dawn game finally gave me my 1:28! The max should be low 1:27 with insanity, so I'll be surely up for it later 'cause Cort will get the GC tomorrow, I won't put it on youtube, but I'll upload it and put the link here today :D
Edit: It's up, here's the link: http://www.mediafire.com/?nojlhzz0mwo (http://www.mediafire.com/?nojlhzz0mwo) I've watched the run again and I can say the max is sub 1:27 for sure, there's mistakes all over the video, so I'll only upload something to youtube if it's sub 1:27.
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holy shit man that run was insane for GC! I love it! Checkfree too! I can't believe I never thought to try bouncing up the spring parts like that, the first one looks really hard.
Looks like you pretty much used gravity control on the loop to save time to get that 50 sec on M3, I had a feeling you may have done that part faster but I could not figure it out myself.
This run is 9999999 times better than that pathetic DC record of mine. and speaking of DC, I guess 1:20 can be done huh? we sure will be able to smash japan's 1:22, I knew it would be possible! 1:26 seems insane, but I guess really that's only 1.70 sec, so maybe it can be done.
I may try later, for a M3 record and a much improved M1 record. With that loop skip you do 32 could probably easily be done on M2 as well, I did my record the old fashion way and it still was not perfect.
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No no that's different, there I did the B+A fast but what I'm saying is the time it takes to hit the B button then the A button got it? Anyway I'll try out what Para said, or else I'll need to switch to X+A(Which is what I do in my MH M3 run after the 2nd chain of rings), but that's another deal, and we don't need to talk about this here.
a great video, man I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!!! YOU ARE CRAZY GUY! NEVER THOUGHT YOU reach a level THESE! AWESOME! AND ANOTHER THING PLAYING IN DC OR NOT YOU STILL IS # 1 IN FOREST GREEN! NO DOUBT (APOLOGIES TO Paragod THAT HE IS THE OWNER OF RECORD) NO DESCRIPTION FOR THIS VIDEO! GHETTO STYLE
This run is 9999999 times better than that pathetic DC record of mine. and speaking of DC, I guess 1:20 can be done huh? we sure will be able to smash japan's 1:22, I knew it would be possible! 1:26 seems insane, but I guess really that's only 1.70 sec, so maybe it can be done.
Is 1:19 is possible in the DreamCast?
holy shit man that run was insane for GC! I love it! Checkfree too! I can't believe I never thought to try bouncing up the spring parts like that, the first one looks really hard.
I agree with Paragod
And other thing to you Brian
And since you guys are talking so much about the fact that I want to be the 3rd, I'll show you why I'm not the first:
First of all, I'm not talking about my skills as Knuckles/Rouge and Tails/Eggman, I'm only talking about my Sonic/Shadow skill.
1- My spindash SUCKS! I really suck at this simple thing, as you guys can see if you compare my RH and MH videos to anyone else, my spindashes are slower than almost all the others especially when compared to you guys, look at my last 2 spindashes in GH, or how many spindashes I can do after the second light dash in MH, I always do 1 less than everyone else 'cause my stupid fingers don't push the button fast enough to charge another spindash before I lose some speed.
2- My B+A sucks too, I don't have videos to show you that, but almost all of them are a big problem to me, 'cause I need to wait longer to do it or else I'll touch the floor before doing the HA, see Para's Crazy Gadget video, his B+A after the last superbounce was done VERY CLOSE to the floor, just watch his video in slow motion.
3- My skill as a Sonic/Shadow player is not as great as you guys think, the only thing I can do well in this game is find new strategies, most of my records were done with a new strategy or just an optimization of the current one, and I don't call this skill, it's totally different of you guys, who can push any stage hard to the limit.
This is a matter of training! you is a guy who can overcome everything! a year ago you only had the record of Green Forest, today you are in 4th place on Overall and 2nd place on the Times! MAN, you excelled in Sonic Adventure 2! what's up brother, always believed in you, teach me some things and still says he will always be the 3rd place! Where is the Brian I know! this guy, you have everything to be better for me or you have the 1st place is not even the first of the times or the Overall for me will always be the 1st place in everything! and I bet and always believed in you!
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holy shit man that run was insane for GC! I love it! Checkfree too! I can't believe I never thought to try bouncing up the spring parts like that, the first one looks really hard.
xD thanks, yeah the first one is harder and the second one was ridiculous, I failed hard at that, but say what, I've thought about that one today :D
Looks like you pretty much used gravity control on the loop to save time to get that 50 sec on M3, I had a feeling you may have done that part faster but I could not figure it out myself.
Yeah, but my mission 3 record is pretty much unoptimized, I think a sub 49 would be a great record, I'll make a video of it too to show you my ending strategy.
This run is 9999999 times better than that pathetic DC record of mine. and speaking of DC, I guess 1:20 can be done huh? we sure will be able to smash japan's 1:22, I knew it would be possible! 1:26 seems insane, but I guess really that's only 1.70 sec, so maybe it can be done.
You really need to work on a new video of it, now you know these new tricks so you can easily afford a 1:21 there, and I'm pretty sure about sub 1:20 being possible, I've said this before, now it's up to you to max this stage in DC and I'll max it in GC ;)
I may try later, for a M3 record and a much improved M1 record. With that loop skip you do 32 could probably easily be done on M2 as well, I did my record the old fashion way and it still was not perfect.
I really don't want to give it a try, you guys really don't even realise how much difficult is playing on my PC:
1-I have a 0.1 or 0.2 sec delay, which causes a lot of problems in some parts(like CE), but I get used to it pretty well after some plays
2-Sometimes the game simply have some kind of "lag", I'm playing and then the screen freezes for a really short amount of time, but this happens randomly, so this cause some problems to me very often :/
3-This is stupid, but the quality isn't as good as playing on the TV but I can overcome this, it only cause problems when the game lags and I don't catch up fast enough with the game 'cause I don't know where everything exactly is.
Edit: Thanks too Cort, but you don't need to post here, we can talk in real life, just pick up the phone and call me :D
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Brian, let me first tell you this: HOLY MOTHER****ING WTF SHIT WHAT THE FUCKING HELL WAS THAT???????????? That's not just good or great or amazing or something like that, it's just CRAZY!!!! I mean seriously, just look at all the shortcuts!! They look like they're pretty hard to pull off, but you did it all just so smoothly! I had to watch the run three times in a row to make sure I got that you were doing. Superbouncing up the tree, that was just fabolous! I'm sure some may have thought of that, I but I always thought the height difference would be too big. And the gravity control on the loop! I'm out of words for now... And then he says he should be third..lol >_>
*takes deep breath*
Ok I should calm down. That was just a completely insane run! You need to upload it to youtube to the world can enjoy an excellent run!
EDIT: woohoo, I submitted the 250th video of SA2:B!
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LOL thank you very much man, I really want to tape another run, 'cause that one had a lot of mistakes, then I'll upload it to youtube. Yeah it's very hard to pull off everything perfectly on a checkfree run, but I know I can at least reach the 3rd check with a good time every 20 or 30 runs, so from there is just that 2 superbounces(Which are the main reason of my failed attempts xD) and the ending. I liked some parts of that run, but I don't like to put 2 or more videos of the same mission on youtube, but since you guys liked it so much, I think it deserves this.
I would tell you to do it, your videos are amazing, they need to be here for the new people who don't know where to find them.
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I might have accidentaly found a small timesaver in Green Forest (all missions)! I'm going to try it out today and see if I can get it to work! It might save a few tenths, and it's worth doing since it's at the very beginning of the stage. But as always, I'm not telling you more until I am 100% sure that it works out. ;)
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Oh great! Even if it has a low chance of sucess I want to know what it is :D
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Bad news, the trick doesn't work at all. Though I may have found something else interesting, but very small.
Right at the start, when you go down the first hollow tree to hit the ramp, release the spindash and try to load another spindash right as you hit the ramp (this gets you into delayed summersault mode). So when you hit the ground and light dashed the 4 rings, you will do the immediate spindash and save 0.2 seconds maybe (?)
This is worth doing since it's not hard to do and isn't going to ruin a good run because it's at the very start.
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that may be a good idea, cause it seems like it may be faster to do 2 spindashes in the beginning instead of lightdash+spindash.
Brian, I played some GF3 and even with the new gravity control loop bounce I can't even get below 51.50 on M3. My best springs are 40.5 or so I think..how do you get to the chao? you don't have to make a video if you cannot, just an explantion..my ending has to really suck!
The new loop jump is awesome by the way, I love it cause it's not only faster but a fair bit easier than the yoshifan method. I can't do the super bounces up the tree AT ALL though, even after several tries. Pulling both off in a check-free run means you're INSANE!
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I can't do the super bounces up the tree AT ALL though, even after several tries.
Really? I found it to be quite easy and got it on the first few tries. My problem is that I usually jump way too high <_<
Did you position yourself in the same spot Brain does in his video?
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I may try this out when I have chance Final, it looks it can save more time than you expected since what Para said makes sense, if we can do 2 spindashes there this can make the beginning a lot faster :D.
Para, my ending in the Chao mission is fairly easy, I've thought about it 'cause I couldn't pull off blasest's strategy :P, after the vine I just light dash the rings, turn to the right and then do a superbounce at the wall behind you in the right side of that place, after that I just hold forward to make Sonic stay as close as possible to the Chao, then when I reach enough height to reach the Chao I just do a Homing Attack. I hope you understand everything, maybe I can make a video of it today for you :D
Talking about the superbounces on the tree, only the first one keeps failing to me 'cause sometimes I don't hit the A+B fast enough and go down the wall, or do it faster than I should and I light dash the damn ring xD, the second one I can only do if I stand on that place as in my vid, 'cause if I don't do this I always light dash one of the rings :/
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I may try this out when I have chance Final, it looks it can save more time than you expected since what Para said makes sense, if we can do 2 spindashes there this can make the beginning a lot faster :D.
Got a 13.07 checkpoint with that. ^_^
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thanks Brian, i'm not sure exactly how you do it yet but I am sure once I play I will figure it out, it is a small area after all. you can make a video to help others out if you want, but if it's just for me don't worry about it.
About the double spindash, I have no idea if it saves time or not really but it seems to not bounce as much as the other method which is a plus.
so master final.....when are we going to have that awesome FR5 competition? I can't wait!
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so master final.....when are we going to have that awesome FR5 competition? I can't wait!
Hmm, I don't know. I would suggest we start somewhere in mid December? We could start earlier if you want, though I fear the next few weeks are gonna me a bit more busy for me than usual. Though not before Dec 2nd, plz >_>
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About the double spindash, I have no idea if it saves time or not really but it seems to not bounce as much as the other method which is a plus.
Not for me xD my spindash is too slow, I've been able to pull this off 2 times out of 11, which for me is very good, btw PoT, 13:07? This is just awesome! My best check was 13:52, but I don't tried with this strategy, I failed both times xD
Even you have said otherwise I made a lil vid of the ending, so you can know exactly how I do it :D, here's the link: http://www.mediafire.com/?oj1w4dmd5md (http://www.mediafire.com/?oj1w4dmd5md)
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That's a good strat Brian, but you are losing ~0.2 compared to blazest strategy. Though this doesn't matter too much, not like anyone's gonna come as close to your times soon.
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I know that :P, but if you do it right it takes the same time to pull off, btw the record is 50:20, I did it sometime ago but I forgot :D, in the video it wasn't as good as in my best runs, and I don't have choice, I simply can't do it with his strategy :/, but as I said, when you do it fast, it takes the same time to pull off or even a little less(nothing great, maybe 0.1 or 0.2 sec).
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heh I thought you guys were saying it was slower than what blazest used on his 56 video, which is what I do now and it yields 51.60 at best. you were talking about compared to his 52 though.
I bet I can get a good time now! thanks Brian, I think I will try yours first because it looks more doable than the other.
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The Topic Creator equals with this post the amount of posts of the number one topic by replies, The Official Top Tens Topic!
We are the number one!
EDIT: Talking about number one, Pyramid Cave 1 has officially been maxed by me! Never thought I'd ever hold a ring record alone ;D 3 days took the whole process, but I'm glad I have that behind me now. The run was around 43 minutes long.. (I still suck at going through the door). I'm also quite sure that the 5th mission of this level is going to profit from that, too. And Mission 4 has no checks so it isn't affected by that.
Also, my new super awesome cell phone just arrived, I wonder how much better my videos are gonna look now with the awesome 12.1 megapixel camera =D I guess I'll maybe make a partial run at some point, not too sure though.
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very cool! the only thing as good as setting a time record is setting an UNTIED ring record, around here it's shocking when a new max comes up since most are perfect. very nice
most replied to topic? i knew we could do it.......man......we.......we pwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!
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We're the number ONE!!! This is just great :D, we're keeping the SA2B competition alive! We deserve this.
Hey, you finally did it! I simply can't get back to the beginning :/, so congrats for being the first one to pull this off :D, now M5 will be very easy, and you can even take the record 2 times, since you can use the check to get a magnetic shield, then you get the secret ring, later you can use the check to get more rings, this way you'll appear in the index 2 times xD
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Oh damnit, I meant to jokingly lock the topic for a couple of hours before it got to this point. Oh well, it's the thought that counts.
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most replied to topic? i knew we could do it.......man......we.......we pwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, and the next step would be 1000 replies! Or 1000 posts should it stop at that, but I doubt it.
now M5 will be very easy, and you can even take the record 2 times, since you can use the check to get a magnetic shield, then you get the secret ring, later you can use the check to get more rings, this way you'll appear in the index 2 times xD
Oh, I can? Well, I'll see what I can do. Though of course I'll be going for the absolute max as always. Backtracking's the level is incredibly hard because of: 1) at one point you have to super bounce up to the pillar where there is a flame and you have to hit pretty much exactly the edge to not get burned, and 2) where you have to backtrack from the first checkpoint to the first U-tunnel. I just can't seem to make the camera stay still and face the small opening, it always shifts back and I can't see where I'm jumping to.. But that's not going to hinder me >:O
Oh damnit, I meant to jokingly lock the topic for a couple of hours before it got to this point. Oh well, it's the thought that counts.
Lol.. >_>
EDIT: Been doing some PC2 lately and I've been getting better and better. And now I just had a perfect run with the possibility of getting a time very near yoshi's and then Sonic missed the last box ring....... DAMN IT!!
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good job with all the great new records, except for one that I have a problem with:
CE1- M4 --- 427 rings?!?! what is up with that! you better get 440 right now!
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Oh City Escape has been fucking with me for the last two days. I just can't seem to get ALL rings in the boarding section without having to slow down massively which would cut a lot of time. Anything else is pretty easy to get, except for a few certain rings that are on the left side of the first curve to the left (from Sonic's view) just after the third hill on the truck chase.
And since we're already talking about CE's rings, I don't know what I'm doing wrong but I've played CE5 for over 10 times now and I always end up with either 435-441 rings. ALWAYS. Where the hell could I be missing those rings..? When you suck rings towards you with the blue shield and you get too far away from them, they should return to the initial position, shouldn't they? I somehow have the feeling that I just lose them.. <_<
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About M5, I don't know if the rings disappear or not. For some reason it seems to me like the rings would be lost forever, but I don't know the game inside and out so I can't know.
As for why you're missing rings on M5, assuming it's not from the shield...hmmm, I can't really think of any in particular. truck chase maybe? I doubt there's any stray rings you're missing if you sometimes get 4:41... just do the checkpoints, get a magnet shield, and trek very slowly. I had no problem with this record, except for the fact that it took me a while to figure out you can get a ring box from the mystic melody :P
For M4...I collected 440 rings in 2:30 once, that leaves you 30 seconds to play with if you need to slow down a little bit while boarding. Keep in mind the run was HORRIBLE, so you don't have to be perfect if you do go 30 seconds, just be quick.
For the truck, around the corners I suggest jumping instead of hitting the speed pads, and hitting B+A when sonic loops the corner and you should have no problem collecting the rings, and no problem staying far away from the truck. I always used this technique on all my rings and scores.
hope that helps you out a little bit my friend-o-final!
speaking of CE M4... if I made a near-perfect 440 ring/time run in the range of say.. sub 2:25 or even 2:20, would you enjoy watching it?
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Well I'll be trying out what you just said and see if it works for me. And you should remember that what is a HORRIBLE run in CE for you is probably a decent-to-quite good run for me! But the boarding section's ring are definitely very to get. I'm lucky if I can get 62 there, out of..74 I think? Oh well.. I'll paly a bit later and tomorrow and see if I can get them all. And I've been watching some RAs lately and damn it, why does even RA have to have at least one really difficult part where you have to backtrack the level.. :( But Sky Rail mission 4 rings looks really fun, and I know the record on TSC is 10 rings short of the max, so I may attempt that later..
speaking of CE M4... if I made a near-perfect 440 ring/time run in the range of say.. sub 2:25 or even 2:20, would you enjoy watching it?
1. I have never not enjoyed any of your vids, CE-masta
2. It's freaking City Escape, how dare you even ask me something like that?
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you can do it! if you can get impossible FC and sky rail records, you can get all the CE ring records. (GC)
1. I have never not enjoyed any of your vids, CE-masta
2. It's freaking City Escape, how dare you even ask me something like that?
1. that is true. :) at least I can do something right in my life
2. Just now sure if you would have any interest in such a run, in this case i'll also do a metal harbor 154 run in sub 1:25! maybe some others too if it's fun and they can produce lots of entertainment.
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Yeah I know I should be able to, but it's not that much fun to me, so when I fail for like three times, I just turn away from that mission and play something else. I didn't have much time to play during the week, but I'm quite satisfied with what I could achieve during the weekends.
Also I'm not quite sure how people will like ring attack speed runs, but I guess you could record one or two and listen to the responses..? I got my new phone btw so I'm ready to tape some stuff. Maybe PC2 since I could get very close to yoshi with a different strat. Though I don't like the level THAT much, but that may change..!?
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Hey guys, I was in my dad's house so I haven't posted since I was enjoying my time with him and my little bro :D.
Hey PoT! You're planning on getting the M2 record of PC? You got so close since you missed the capsule at the end :D, keep trying you'll get it if you want to.
Also, why you're having problems with M5? It's far easier than M1, since you can get a shield at the very beginning, the backtracking is easier with it, but I understand your difficult to get all of the rings in the snowboading section of CE, it's a real pain in the ass for me too, that's why my M4 RA isn't maxed :/, but mission 5 and easier 'cause you can "kill" the truck.
And Para, you're the master of CE, what is easy for you is harder to us xD, I would like to see a Speed Ring Attack Run(does this really exist?) of any stage you can tape to us ^_^
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Well I'll definitely play it for another 2-3 hours and try for the record, but I'm honestly not too sure if missing the ring box really cost me 0.6 seconds seeing as that run was exceptionally good! Who knows though, I have a different strat than yoshi, so maybe I should attempt the next few runs with his?
I also meant to ask you two whether you knew how I can avoid to get a bit into the air after the first light dash in PC2? There's a speed panel right after the ring chain, but usually Sonic is sent a bit into the air and I have to wait for him to fall onto the panel. It happens only rarely that Sonic is not sent into the air and gets straight to the panel? Not sure if I explained that good, but I hope you get it..
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Try it out with his strat then, maybe you can get a better time with it, and about the light dash, that's another really simple thing, like touching the wall after jumping to fall down faster, the deal is: You need to get at least the 2 first rings in the chain or else sonic will gain so much speed, and that will make him fly off the ground, each ring you get after the other make you gain more speed, so if you avoid getting some with the light dash, you'll have less speed than you should got it? I'm sure this will end this matter, just don't get the first 2 rings on the chain, it's like my strategy on the spring from WJ, it works every time, just try it out :)
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Hmm, that's very interesting. To me it seemed like as soon as there are 2 rings or more, Sonic would always have the same speed. I'm gonna try that out and I'm pretty sure it's going to work. That's going to save me a damn lot of retries! Thanks a lot my friend!
I also tried some GF3 today to find out that I completely suck, can even get under 56 <_< I sure hope that changes as the day goes by..
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you'll figure it out and nail 52 or better! For the PC2 thing, what Brian said is right as usual. This is the main reason I do not play the level much-- I cannot do that light dash properly hardly ever :(
anyway I got.... CE M4 AR Time: 2:22. watchy'all think? Good? Bad? Insane? I definitely wanna take it below sub 2:20, and I bet when I make the video it will help you out with just getting them all in 3:00, knowing the optimal strategies.
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I hit the last ring box and I'm pretty sure I got the record! But hey, why isn't the screen turning white? I pause (20.99) and notice that I have 99 rings, I must've missed a ring in the ring chain. Next run is gorgeous as well, though as usually I miss a ring, but seeing as that run was just so good, I continue only to pause a split second after I hit the last ring box and notice the counter at 20.55!!!!! Over the course of 400 lives on this level today, I get another 2 runs like this. One ends up with 20.67, the other with 20.73.
But then, on my 8th-to-last run, with a very very small error: 20.79!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is my 10th time record =D
That was just crazy. I finally got everything right! That record was absolute hell to get, not only because yoshi set an amazing time for me to beat, but also because I don't like PC THAT much, and this mission is just FULL OF BS! From the not always at the same time changing camera at the first second to the two very difficult to light dash ring chains to the 20ring box that you just can't see and you can only HOPE to hit it, and then hope for the hit not to stop your run by going too far to the left or right, to the last ring chain that Sonic sometimes stopped light dashing in the middle of the chain to the last ring box that I somehow missed on a beautiful run 2 days ago. (!!!!)
Yes I set 52 as my goal but that level gave me almost as much BS as PC2 did, so I might avoid it for a few days <_<
And 2:22 sounds awesome! Seems like sub2:20 isn't too difficult for you, eh? Well, you might wanna try to get 2:15:75 (if that time says you something..?)
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crazy awesome mega super run man heck YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!! that's a big leap towards 41/41, very glad it was not left up to me.
2:15.75..that would be a cool time. Probably near perfection, but hey that's the name of my game!
at this rate though, you will no longer be the final master... you'll be the sonic master!
imagine you getting 41/41 by yourself. it'd be FR7 > PA = woah!
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Yes we reached a new high of 37/41! 39/41 if you count talon
Metal Harbor 1 - That has to be you. You're the only one with the skill and the needed console :P
Crazy Gadget 2 - Seems really hard, but it's not unbeatable.
Radical Highway 3 - Perfect you say? I'm not that good at RH, so I will unfortunately have to leave this one to you. You are very close, but is that record really that perfect?
White Jungle 2 - No idea on this one, but I'm sure one of us could take it if we really try. Or at least I hope so..
Then again, we could make a challenge out of the challenge and say that we will only start the FR5 competition when we have 41/41? No.. xD
Near perfection is the name of your game? The Paragod that I know's name is PERFECTION. =D And you're already giving me too much credit! Sonic master? Did we agree that that person was you? <_< And while there are many reasons why 41/41 is impossible for me to do alone, be it because of the version differences (MH, GF) or be it because the record is just too good, 2 words should be enough here. City Escape.
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Wow! That's a really awesome time bro! I always thought about that record to be almost unbeatable! I'm happy I could help you with this one :D
Hey Para, do you really think you need to tape a sub 2:20 run to look awesome? C'mon all your runs are awesome! The only guy who can tie Paragod's videos is someone called persononearth!
37/41(or 39/41, which is better but not official :/) is almost there! I hope I can get some other records in this game as Sonic/Shadow, or else you guys will take all of them to yourselves xD
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Thanks man! The record sure was tough, with a perfect run 20.5 would be possible, but there's just too much BS during these 20 seconds <_< And it's become pretty standard for you to help me out, hasn't it? =D
I counted it quickly and I can't believe Paragod is still over the 50% mark with 21/41 record!! Though no hurry with the records Brian..
The only guy who can tie Paragod's videos is someone called persononearth!
Oh I c wut u did thar >_<
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your new MH3 time sucks because it's not 23. =p
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Wow, I've been pretty out of the loop here and I didn't know you guys were going for all Sonic/Shadow records. You guys are already ridiculously close, though! Nice to see more of the missions getting very high competition, especially from you lately, finalrush (great job on PC2!).
Also, there's some impressive distribution of the Times records between players at this point:
me - 22, Brian - 21, Paragod - 21, SM - 19, Psyknux - 18, PoT - 10.
I'm amazed I still have the most, it must be because it's spread so evenly between several players.
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wow, I'm shocked I almost have the most time records..especially considering I only play a third of what the game offers..WOW!
never counted all the records before, just sonic/shadow
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Are you telling me that I should go for sub24? =D
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Hey yoshi!!! :D It's been a really LONG time since we talked man. I haven't realised this record count, so if we're at this now this means that I've been the one with most time records once o.O, since Final and Para got some of them in the past few months :D.
Hey Para, you have the same amount of records as me, but only with Sonic/Shadow!!! This is so amazing, as I said before, Final is the only one who can put a challenge to you with Sonic/Shadow in most of the stages.
Mr. Goran... what a shame for you, of course you need to get sub 24 there! I don't accept that the same guy who have 2 TA Sweeps can't get such an easy time :O
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i thought the "=p" would indicate that I am only joking, and that it was just a funny way of encouraging you to go for 23, someday.
i guess not. wow. I guess I ruined a completely great friendship with 1 joke because I was not fully clear. I can't believe what an idiot I am..I understand if you never want to talk to me again :(
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Wow, now that's some impressive numbers! Together that's 111 out of 121 time records!
Thanks yoshi, I gotta say PC2 was really hard to get, and now I feel like an idiot because I lost so many good runs trying to get the 20 ring box on the left wall at the end of the hall where I could've just used the rapid pausing trick to make things much easier as seen in some other video. It's just crazy how so many things have to work out perfectly to get a record of a 20-seconds long level!
Though I have to admit that I'm a bit surprised here, if I had had to guess, I would've said that yoshi had 30 records at least!
I don't really have a goal for how many records I want to get or something, but I do know that Crazy Gadget* and Final Rush** are the levels that are within my reach. CE is impossible anyway <_< MH and GF are impossible due to version differences and I'm just not that good at the other ones (though I haven't tried myself at White Jungle yet!).
And don't worry Brian, I'm getting that sub24 in a few days! Not like I'll stop if I'm only a tenth of a second away >_>
*m1 and m3 for sure, if Para/Brian don't give me some competition! Seeing talon beat the m2 record by 2-3 seconds makes me think I could definitely beat the tsc record. Not too sure about m5, but I guess it's not completely out of reach.
**m3 will be hard, but it's possible. For m5, we'll have to wait for the competition, and honestly said, even though I see some small flaws in brian's 39.42 run, I can't see me beating it that's not saying I'm giving up!! >:O
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Hey! I've found someone who's selling a GC!!! If everything goes right maybe I can get it this year.
I'm so happy guys!!!
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Great times guys :O
How far did you take PC1? Found any new tricks to help out?
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That's really awesome news Brian! I hope everything goes well and you get to play as soon as possible!!
And werey, to my knowledge, Paragod's PC1 1:35 video shows everything known as of now.
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my 1:35 video shows the main route, but don't forget Brian's shortcut video. it has 2 or 3 seconds worth of time savers over mine. That's why 1:30 or even sub is possible, but I am very inconsistent with the shortcuts plus I am never gonna get a first try door :(
anyway I can't believe you're playing hunting FR, especially M1's.. am I right in saying those times were a first try completion? I doubt you put effort into them since they're boring, and for that they are pretty good!
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How on earth do you get the wall glitch in PC1 to work consistently? I just can't do it.
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Right, I forgot Brian's shorcuts, but I didn't think they could save 3 seconds? o_O And I think when talking about the max of PC1/3/5, you should always consider having a seconds try door skip. As for the door skip itself, it's all about jumping from the right point to the left edge of the door. I got a small vid up so you can see where I jump from. Once you got the position and angle down, it's all about luck.
Well, you know, I don't really hate the hunting missions so I just went into the level with 99 lives and restarted until the pieces were in good locations. Of course I didn't go for the optimal locations as that would take too much time and I'm not that patient. M2s were mostly not that hard, except Dry Lagoon and Meteor Herd (I played Meteor herd over 50 times and never got a meteor to hurt me during the first 5 seconds <_<). M3s were a bit tougher, and I suck at going out of bounds. Took me about 30-150 tries per level. I even found a 3 seconds shortcut for the GC version in MH3, but that's way too inconsistent. I'll be going for the M5s soon, I hope getting times in red won't be too difficult!
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well with a second try door skip, 1:31 can be done with Brian's cuts. They definitely save, at the very least 3 seconds, possibly more with insane perfection. But yeah if somehow someone nails a perfect run, perfect shortcuts and a first try perfect door skip they will touch the goal ring somewhere in the 1:29 zone..will it ever happen? Not by me! 1:32 would most likely be my limit, with second try door and decent Brian cuts. (:p)
yeah rayku, trust me the door is definitely not what I would call consistent. works often enough to get it in a check-free run, but you will have to work hard for that. Just keep jumping into the left corner of the door and eventually you will get a feel for where you need to be, and it becomes more consistent. Maybe someone as skillful as you can learn how to do it nearly every time?
yeah I understand going for just decent pieces for the M1 hunts. I have tried before, but even with only half good pieces I still get sick of it. M2's are much better, but most of them I still do not like for some reason, I just suck I guess.
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And since we're talking about incredibly inconsistent/difficult shortcuts, don't forget that you can skip the first door as well. I have even skipped it on my first try a few days ago when I just tried to superbounce up that wall but slipped away. Spindashjumping through that wall even enables you to B+A the left rail. Of course that timing would need to be godly, as you don't see ANYTHING. That could definitely save another 1.5 seconds, so 1:27 is possible! >_>
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The door skip in PC isnt really that hard to do consistently.
When i try i normally get it to work withing 2-5 tries. It actually isn't as hard as people think.
All you have to do is get to the left of the key hole thing (the small platform where the key goes) and spindash jump into the seam where the left of the door and the wall meets.
Holding Up helps aswell. If you see the screen shake when you are doing this, this is a sign you are doing something right. The camera angle can vary when going through the door, but usually you get enough height to be able to home attack the hourglass.
Practice makes perfect!
Edit: I have just seen FR7's last post. The first door skip was something came across shortly after discovering the second door skip (when we didnt know how to consistently do it), but like FR i have been mucking up the superbounce and went through the door. Wouldnt waste your time getting it to work all the time though.
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Pyramid Cave is one of the worst stages for me to TA, but it's one of the best to play for fun :D, the door skip is a little tough in the beginning, but after "some" tries you get used to it.
Hey PoT, I hope so, I have to choose what I'll do: I can get a new PC at January but get the GC later or get the GC now and wait one month to get the PC :/ I think I'll just get the GC now and fuck the PC.
I almost forgot, I have something very good to tell you Final :D, you said you had problems to get hit by the meteor in Meteor Herd mission 2 right? So, the deal is: Whenever you want to TA this mission you need to enter the stage again, 'cause the first meteor always hit the same spot, its just behind you, a little bit for the right side of your starting point, you just need to jump at that spot to the meteor hit you, from there you just need to fly and continue the mission. If you're having problems figuring out the position, just watch one of the Psyknux or Yoshifan's videos. I'm sure this will help you so much, 'cause is a lot better to exit and enter a stage again than keep playing it over and over praying for god help a damned meteor hit you xD
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Yes Brian I would suggest getting a GC first.
PC is definitely a hard stage to TA, but what stage isn't? ;D
And damn Brian, it seems like you know a solution to every single of my problems!! tell me how to get sub2 in final rush!
I figured the meteors aren't falling randomly forever, but I didn't think of a meteor always hitting the same spot only during the first run! Guess I should've noticed that myself.. <_< thanks a lot my friend!! I should easily be able to get a red time knowing that!
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You guys are slacking:
http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/sonic_adventure_2_b/times/egg_quarters/mission_2
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I can't say you're lying xD, look at my Hunting M1 stats, they're just ridiculous, but hey! look who's in the 3rd place there :D
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Hey, I never said I was any good at the hunting/shooting missions! Well, with some practice I can get most of the hunting misisons in red, but you'll laugh hard when you see my times for the shooting mission because they're so damn bad! >_>
And Cort_Pso took a record from us! >:O
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It all comes to pratice bro, never forget this, I'm sure you can get all of them in red easier than you thought :D
Hey! Your new M1 times on the hunting missions made me lose a lot of points xD, now I'm 139 points away from yoshifan D:, not to mention I still need to submit my GC times over my DC ones(GF M1 and MH M3), what will make me lose more points T.T
Yeah, Cort got it, but I'm sure Para can get it back, since he said sub 33 was possible. Hey Para how're you doing? It been a long time since you've talked to me last time, wazzup :D?
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Yeah now you're like 130 points away from him, but you'll catch up easily! You're losing around 80+ points with the hunting M1 missions alone! Not too sure about the rest, but I guess you should look for improving stats that give you as many points as possible. I'm not saying it's easy, but remember you're going for the times leadership or SA2!
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Btw I browsed through some old topics and saw something interesting! I nominate Brian for the rookie of the year 2009! (He started competing in december 08, so yeah) =D
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speaking of CE M4... if I made a near-perfect 440 ring/time run in the range of say.. sub 2:25 or even 2:20, would you enjoy watching it?
So... this still happening?
Because if it was an open question... you have another yes vote.
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loltie <_<
Guess I'll leave it for the night but I guess I'm soon going to try again, since you know I'm not satisfied with a tie.
A perfect run could even reach the 40 zone. But getting everything right is quite hard.. almost as hard as PC2!
EDIT 10 seconds later: Ok this somehow looks really cool. Maybe I'll leave it at the tie. Not sure. ;)
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woh..crazy tie!
CG2 is definitely way harder than PC tho by a long shot.
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Hahaha thx PoT, but I think this will be very hard anyway, every point I get, it's one less for me to get, that's the same deal with Speedruns, the closer you're from the perfection, the harder is to get there :P, and thank you my brother for the "Rookie of the Year" thing, but I haven't seen any of this awards since I came to TSC, so I think this isn't happening anymore : /. But I really hope I'm wrong :D
Hey man! This tie is unbelievable, I think it's better for you, to leave this as a tie, it's so awesome when we look at the chart and see a tie in the times section :D
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woh..crazy tie!
Wow, PoT, you are really amazing, never thought you would make a tie with someone in SA2B, especially with DarkspinesSonic ... no doubt when I saw this time was no action ... really have to admit that you are overcoming the SA2B ... my congratulations to you!
ahhh I agree with Paragod >>>> CRAZY TIE
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Wow, I didn't think you'd think of this as such a crazy tie! Thanks guys! =)
I agree that it looks quite cool to see a [2 players] in the times section than just a name. Anyway brian, http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=1953.0, this is what I meant. Funny, because Paragod won that year xD
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you have every right to laugh about that, I have no idea why I won but yeah it was a joke and definitely something to laugh about.. heck back when that was going on my best times were like CE 1:39 and maybe green hill 25 or something..nothing else I had was really notable so I basically won cause of CE alone. I guess people really liked what I did to the level.
and I agree, Brian is definitely the newcomer of the year. Skill,Strategies, he has it all and there's no doubt he is one of the best things to happen to SA2 in a long time.
I also agree ties are cool, which is half of the reason I would round up my times if I barely beat someone, til I was told not to do so of course.
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Another right to laugh: WJ2 is mine, so that leaves us with only MH1, GF2 and RH3!
I guess everyone liked what you did to City Escape. I mean just look at your 1:36. I don't think I need to say anything else!!
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what the heck is going on here man all of a sudden you're a m2 master just like talon
wj2 came outta nowhere too, no warning no talk of it just BOOM you got it. you still gotta beat talon on both of these levels though..but..they're still good times!
I could get sub 41 since my 42 really sucked but who gives a flying feak about SA2
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Yeah that sure came out of nowhere! I was thinking to myself that WJ2 still isn't ours and that I should try myself at it.A few attempts later I got a 43 with a really bad run, so I knew that it wouldn't be too difficult to get the record, though I didn't except to get it that easily.. <_<
sub41 shouldn't be too difficult, my 41.12 wasn't really perfect. Oh and I care about SA2 =P
EDIT: Ahhhh my record was beaten??? Well this sucks... and I wanted to take a break from SA2, but I can't stand seeing myself in second place on that chart...
I don't like this, I don't like this at all. But you know me, this'll be mine again in some point in the future!
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The break is over.
Brian took two of my records. This means WAR! :P
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You took a lot of records away from me too xD, I'm just evening the score :D
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heheh
Can't wait to see the videos you have planned!
And just look at my new CG1 time!! This is what I've been going for for weeks back in 09, and now I get it after mere hours!
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Great time there! I need to get back to playing again but I won't have so much time, 'cause I'll need to learn a lot of things for the test I'll do this year, if I pass I'll stay working there for my entire life :D
About my videos, I'm planning just one video for now, a CG M2 TA 'cause I think I can get a great in video, and I don't taped anything since my GF video :/. But I still want to upload some videos with the other chars too.
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Thanks! =D
You submitted a lot of really good times now, so you can easily rest a bit. If passing this test ensures you a good future, then screw Sonic and study for the test, you'll have lots of time to play afterwards.
I'm sure CG2 will be a good video, because the time itself is excellent! =)
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fr7 is playing again!! crazy new crazy gadget M1 record! Stats on the run? check times? check-free? maximum potential for the level?
Great to see Brian playing too! Really great new WJ2 record, about time it's been taken way down there by someone other than talon. tiny little RH1 improvement and GF3, and a great new CG2 record! Glad you finally submitted your CE1 time too, I was wondering why 1:45 was up for so long even though you got 1:41 months ago.
awesome guys..SA2B is alive once again!! I give you guys one more big challenge to go with the goal of getting all speed records: Take every one of paragod's records! Yes , even the city.. :P
Goodluck
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Hey brother!!! I'm very happy to see you posting again :D.
What's this "Take every one of paragod's records!" thing? You aren't retiring, are you? You have too much to give in this game man, and forget about the CE record, there's no one in this world that can match your skills there.
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brother Brian! haha that's cool.. neither of us 3 even know each other in the real life yet we still see ourselves as close enough to be brothers.. that's really awesome! amazing how a game, a message board, and competition can bring people so close.
I am never going to say I am retired cause you guys know what happens when I try, but it is just a good challenge for ya'll if I somehow can't get new records.
Don't say it cannot be done.. my green hill record is more perfected than CE is and look how close sir superstar got to it with practice. Speaking of that, I cannot believe he stopped when he was so close....we both see 23 possible now with ridiculous insanity, as in inconsistent tricks that almost never work.
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Well if that isn't Paragod posting here!!! That sure is vey nice! :O
It's obvious Para is just joking or being a little mean to us, everyone knows City Escape is absolutely unbeatable. sub1:45 is already pushing it for me, and even Brian struggles to get sub1:40. It's just impossible <_<
And yes, Final is playing again! About time, huh?
Well now to the stats of my CG1 run. Obviously, looking at the time, it just has to be checkless, no one beats Paragod by over half a second using a checkpoint! Naturally, I kept looking at the clock, so I can tell you that I reached the first check at pretty much 37.7 or so. Though I should add that I was approx. 0.2 seconds behind my best time after being sucked into the first tube. (Protip: as soon as you break the glass of the tube, let go of the joystick. It gives you a better chance of being sucked in quickly.)
Now from here on comes the hard part for me, so I wasn't able to look to the clock very often, but I finished the one light dash at around 1:05.7 and the long light dash that goes outside the building at exactly 1:12.1 (I paused there in thinking that even if this runs gets screwed, I'd at least have a really good time to hold on to).
I didn't look at the clock at all when hitting the last check as I had to focus on hitting the switch behind it, but I would guess that I hit it at a low1:29 or a high1:28.
So yeah, on the colored blocks, I always use the light dash on the trail or around 6-7 rings as it sets me up in a perfect distance to the wall to pull off a good super bounce, but this time I made a little mistake there. You all know how sometimes Sonic light dashes only the first ring of a ring chain and flies somewhere to the side. Well, this happened here, too, but I just had to press B once again to be back on track (this almost never works. Lucky me!).
Can't think of any mistake at the moment, so I'd say the 0.2 at the beginning plus the light dash mistake that also cost me around 0.2 seconds and that's it already! Maybe I lost like half a second overall? Yeah, somewhere there. I definitely got nervous in the end as I knew the run was exceptionally good!! I almost screwed up the last jump ot the platform with the goal ring because I was so nervous and let go of the A button to hold the B button to charge up a spindash as quickly as possible, thus my jump ALMOST would have been to short. Phew.....
Not gonna talk about perfection just yet, but I'd say that if I were to do a compeltely error-free run, 1:37 could possibly be in sight. I have this feeling mainly because my feeling tells me that the superbounce trick I did to get to the end of the 4 robots to light dash the 6 ring behind it (you know, I made a small vid about it - at around 0:42 or so) could have been at a slightly lower height. No idea if and how much time I lost there, though.
EDIT: After like 10 hours of M3.. nothing. I had a completely PERFECT run, after the long light dash I was at 1:11.7, that's 0.5 better than my personal best, and it all lookd so damn awesome, but I fucking messed up at the room with the 3 ACs. FUCKING SHIT!!!! I homing attack into one but Sonic sorta homing attacked through it. It got destroyed, but I couldn't do that B+A anymore. Damn man, my frst check must've been at 37.5 or something crazy like that.
:sadface: <__<
City Escape in 1:33!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =O =O
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dGYsVQYKec
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Watch out SG, FR7 is gonna getcha for taking his FR1 record!
So anyway, let's discuss the record. Do you agree with me in thinking that without the shortcut, his run was average and would of been 2:10 maybe 2:09? Meaning it should not be too hard to take back. What do you think the max is now?
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Personally I think SG is gonna keep pwning all the records that were in a way "Perfect".
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yes he will, he is the next gen best S/S player in the world. nobody can touch him..except Brian if he plays still...
however. FR1 is an exception, cause my man FR7 is the fr MASTA, he loves the level, his determination for the level is on par with the best, he refuses to give up this record. it is his level for all eternity! Not even SG, Brian or me will stop him.
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Personally I think SG is gonna keep pwning all the records that were in a way "Perfect".
Sonic/Shadow levels, at least. We'll have to see about the other levels.
Also I should note that between Paragod, PoT and brian you all only hold 25 of the 41 S/S records. Better get playing!
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Yeah, that video was awesome, but as I said to him yesterday: This record can be beaten. If you noticed, at the beginning he enters the building at low 18 or high 17 sec, and his time at the first check was high 44, as you guys got in your runs a while ago. So I think he could be faster at the beginning, not to mention his "mistake" at 1:36(stage time), it wasn't a mistake, but he could be a lot faster there, something around 0.7 sec. But after all, even using checks, his runs are amazing to watch. I think the max would be around high 2:02 with and low 2:02 without checks.
There's only 3 stages left for him: Pyramid Cave(which is being a hell to him), Final Chase, and the last one: Green Hill(sub 24 is coming). And psyknux is right, the 3 of us together have only 61% of the Sonic/Shadow records, so I think our hegemony is almost over, unless we do something about this. And Para, I have nowhere near his ability as a S/S player, the only stage I still stand a chance is GF, where a very few people really play :/, I'm taking a break from the speedrunning world, even if you guys don't see me submitting new stats, I'm still playing a lot, I'm not retired but I think I put too much effort on my times leadership, I need a break. And SSBM is an awesome game! I missed it so much!
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I await the legendary sub 24 GH. I assume he uses superstar's beginning route, and does some of the harder inconsistent tricks I didn't feel I could pull off all in 1 run, like skipping the loop with a perfectly timed jump instead of a jump + homing attack which saves probably a tenth or two.
For pyramid cave, that one definitely needs some improvement, probably sub 1:30 for sure if he can perfect it. I lost a second by missing the stupid hour glass, lost a little over a second by not doing the door first jump, and lost several by not knowing about all those shortcuts Brian showed me. Plus the run was not perfect.. so I predict he will definitely get at least 1:31 at worst, and probably sub 1:30!
I'm shocked we still have 25 of the records, but really I guess I am not cause there's so many missions he has not played yet. Once he does we're screwed. :P
I think it may be over, but that's okay cause there's always someone new that blows everybody away. I mean I could definitely give him a good challenge if I felt like playing again, we all know how far my determination can take me given some incentive. CE1 is going to be mine eventually though if nothing else. Me being in second place is just wrong, just like FR7 being second in FR1.. FR7 FR1... heh :P
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hmm, where do I start? maybe by revealing that I have have set my sights on sub2 in Final Chase? Yes that's right, it IS possible!
Anyway, back to FR... well I agree the run was 2:08-like-y, but I can't believe we didn't notice with such a shortcut... jumping up between the gap.. brilliant!
And yes, I can definitely see 2:02 being possible now... but having played some FR today I can safely say I'm a few dozen hours of playing off my perfect timing.. the road sure isn't easy, but soon I'll be getting sub2:10s and then we'll see from there!
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I wish you the best of luck my friend!
Sucks how you lose so much skill from not playing huh? but at least generally, once you get it back you end up better than before since you've had such a nice long break.
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Analyzing the run:
The first 35 seconds look really good. Almost perfect. I liked his one trick at the first rail where he rail switches without a jump instead of jumping plus B+A. Definitely saves some time plus you have a faster speed on the ground. Saves roughly half a second..
Now I'm not sure about doing the trick off the rail.. I need to check our old posts to see when we hit the first checkpoint at our best. If doing the trick off the rail at least doesn't cost any time, he should be around half a second faster than us at the first check. He hits the first check at 44.8.
Death at first checkpoint. Time lost: 0.8 seconds. (-0.8)
First platforming part goes well like it should, and then comes the new trick. I cannot tell you exactly how much time he saved there, mostly because I don't have the perfect timing for it yet. After the trick come 5 seconds of platforming until the point where he has to double bounce to reach the platform with the AC (the shortcut I discovered.. I know we gave it a name but unfortunately I can't remember it..). He's definitely a bit slow there... lost some precious tenths.. (-0.4)
He hits the backwards rail at exactly 1:12.5.
He does jump, turn around and B+A the rail, giving him much more speed. The check is hit at a very high 1:17.
Nothing special in this part, he doesn't even bounce at the wall losing some tenths.. (-0.1)
Lost also a tenth or two at a rail transition here, nothing too important. (-0.1)
Lost around a tenth or two because of the last bounce before the final AC being a bit too low. (-0.2)
The ending is perfect (and not really hard...) so that's it.
Overall time lost: 1.6 seconds (0.8 seconds because of a death).
Para, agree/disagree? Tell me what you think first before we continue.
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Oh dear. Looks like someone beat the green hill record.
What are you gonna do now, Paragod D:
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I remember when I was good at sa2:B