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The Lounge => Gaming and Grazing => Topic started by: Jawzunx on October 21, 2007, 08:22:28 am
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I wanted to know your opinions cause all my smashers friends say that Green Hill would be the best choice, but I think there are other many cool stages in other Sonic games that could be better than GH.
I'd say City Escape and Radical Highway are ok.
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It's green hill for sure.
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GREEN HILL MUST DIE
ANYTHING BUT GREEN HILL
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Green Hill. It's the first, and most memorable stage. Sure, I'd pick flying battery, but only from personal preference.
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Death Egg Boss Arena.
ftw.
Imagine gravity switching in Smash and all the havoc that would ensue.
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Death Egg Boss Arena.
ftw.
Imagine gravity switching in Smash and all the havoc that would ensue.
Yeah, I can't wait for Pokemon Stadium, what with the gravity on -that- stage being lessened /sarcasm
Green Hill, no questions asked. I could see it like a level such as Mushroom Kingdom, where you can just walk off the edges, but there would be stuff like trees that could bar your way, with springs on the top that you can't see, assuming that could POSSIBLY (hint?) be an item yet to be announced
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Green Hill.? It's the first, and most memorable stage.? Sure, I'd pick flying battery, but only from personal preference.
Flying battery? Hmmm that sounds like an awsome stage. Of coarse the first stage to appear from a sonic game
in Brawl would be Green Hill but still.
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YOU ALL DEPRESS ME
GREEN HILL IS THE POISON THAT WILL CONSUME US ALL
IT WILL THEN DIGEST US WITH A MOST FIERY ACID AND THEN WE WILL TASTE LIKE ACID
ALL THANKS TO GREEN HILL
JFASKDJFKAS:JKDGKJAGD:ASDG:KADSGJK:JKA:DSJ
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So true.
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what the fuck
egg agrees
hell has frozen over
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As the second "2D forever" guy here, my thoughts are still GH/EH, but ONLY for adventure... it'd be kinda fun to run through them, as, say, Pit, for shits and giggles...
What would I expect? Either A) one of the Boss Areas from the 2D games (GH boss, AR boss... something like that... Casino Night would be WICKED fun, if you opened both sides and put platforms out there) or B) a chunk of vertical Scrolling level... just for shits and giggles
Too bad this game isn't open source...
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I'd actually like it if Emerald Hill was in instead of Green Hill. To clarify, I'm just tired of Green Hill in every sense imaginable. Sega has wasted away any admiration I had for the stage by toting it along with their new-age Sonic and re-inventing it in half-a-dozen ways. I mean, sure, throwbacks to past games are nice for nostaliga and all, but... is Green Hill the only nostalgic stage?
I realize that by being level 1 period, it'll almost definitely be in the game, and I agree that Sonic needs a wide open area for his stage seeing as that is where running in general is done easiest. I just don't agree on it being Green Hill Zone. :(
What? no
WELL EXCUSE ME FOR GETTING IT INTO MY HEAD THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING EVERYONE IN THE WORLD SAYS BASED ON STRANGE LOGICS AND THEREFORE WOULD DISAGREE WITH EVERYONE INSIDE THIS TOPIC, ESPECIALLY ME
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Yeah, I figured that was your reasoning, and I can fully understand it. I would actually quite like to see EHZ too, even though it's only barely different, as it'd just be nice to have a change. Probably won't happen, though.
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No doubt that Green Hill will be in >_> Egg Fleet may actually be an interesting stage, anyone agree X(
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EHZ for sonic stage, who agrees?
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EVERYONE KNOWS IT WILL BE GHZ BUT I WANT STARDUST SPEEDWAY AND TIDAL TEMPEST AND SPRING YARD ZONE.
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The reason GHZ pops up so much is that it's iconic Sonic but still generalizable enough to make it fit a variety of circumstances. Checkered orange/brown hills and robotic crabs are inherently unique and recognizable as Sonic in a way that pseudo-San-Francisco with humanoid robots really just isn't.
Stuff like Stardust Speedway -could- be iconic Sonic if not for being buried deep in a game that nobody played. And EHZ was never anything more than a riff on the same concept anyway.
I would be very pro a Death Egg level with gravity reversal, but it's probably too strange and mechanics-breaking to actually happen. Not the boss arena though... that's flat and boring. At least some platforms in the middle perhaps.
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The reason GHZ pops up so much is that it's iconic Sonic but still generalizable enough to make it fit a variety of circumstances. Checkered orange/brown hills and robotic crabs are inherently unique and recognizable as Sonic in a way that pseudo-San-Francisco with humanoid robots really just isn't.
Stuff like Stardust Speedway -could- be iconic Sonic if not for being buried deep in a game that nobody played. And EHZ was never anything more than a riff on the same concept anyway.
I would be very pro a Death Egg level with gravity reversal, but it's probably too strange and mechanics-breaking to actually happen. Not the boss arena though... that's flat and boring. At least some platforms in the middle perhaps.
Don't be so sure about that. Even if not very many people have played SCD, the game has a legendary reputation for being the one of the highlights of the whole franchise, with Stardust Speedway being the flag ship stage in it. If anything, Stardust Speedway being in the game might attract attention to SCD (like Strider in MvC did for the Strider franchise or Tales of Symphonia being released to an RPG deprived system did for the entire Tales franchise in the US).
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I'd say that GH is a predictable idea,(it'd make sense to put it on (sense it's the most memorable))
though a stage where the stage goes from place to place (if you've seen the isle delfino stage, you'd know what I mean) based off of sonic adventure would be interesting( for anybody who's played SSBM, Mute city follows this concept). Still, Green hill would be a good choice.
Here's a few stage ideas I thought of:
- 1. Green hill(obviously)
- 2. The idea I mentioned before
- 3. The ARK.(from SAB2) Basically a gravity shifting, massive, wide, and interesting stage, which would slow your character and allow you to jump higher
- 4. A stage based off of the Egg carrier( the screen would scroll left and right, covering a small bit of area at a time. Sometimes, the ship would transform, the monorail would come by, or the cannons would shoot)
- 5. A stage that's like the previous one, though instead of the Egg carrier it'd take place in Station Square.
- 6. A stage like the previous two, though it'd happen in Mystic ruins
- 7. A stage based off of The place where you fight Egg emperor in Sonic heroes
- 8. A stage based off of The Black comet from Shadow the hedgehog
- 9. A stage based off of The Babylon garden from Sonic riders
- 10. A stage based off of The Night palace from SATSR
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SAB2
SA2B
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Okay, srsly, it's OBVIOUS that everyone's first pick will be Green Hill, but people need to dig a little deeper and go out on a limb with what Sonic stage they think will be in. Honestly, though, Green Hill DOES have the largest chance of getting in.
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If it's so obvious that Green Hill will get in, then there's not really any point discussing any alternatives, is there?
That said, Casino Night would be fucking awesome.
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Now we have 2 active brawl topics. Dissent!
Anyways Green Hill is a given, but we don't know Sakurai is only giving Sonic a single stage. That's the most likely scenario, but it's not as though it's a certainty. Things become more interesting when you try to think of the secondary levels he would include. I'm betting on Death Egg myself because it was a huge deal in (most of) the Genesis Sonics, and was one of the more memorable zones in S3K.
Of course the zones I want to see in are entirely different. I would love Spring Yard in Brawl since it's such a wonky zone, and I'd enjoy Metropolis as well. Both are distinctly Sonic in execution.
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Yeah, GHZ is gonna get in, hands down. Hopefully Death Egg or maybe Ice Cap will get in (there's a first, but Ice Climbers will get the ice stage).
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Y'know what. Both an Egg Carrier/Casino stage WOULD be awesome. [ks8's Wii :D]
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I sincerely doubt that the stage will be from a game that was released while Sega still made consoles.
If it's going to be from a 2D game at all, it'll be from the Advance series. But I'm guessing it'll be from Sonic Heroes or Sonic and the Secret rings.
If we're Lucky we'll get something from SA:DX instead...
So my bet is on Seaside Hill (likely) or Windy Valley(lucky)
Green Hill would be awesome, though.
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Upth: what's your thinking behind Sakurai not choosing an arena from Sega consoles? Those are certainly the most memorable. I'm willing to bet Sakurai throws out Nintendo-exclusivity in favor of significance.
Also SADX is really just a port of SA, so if we're going on ports being fair game, any levels from the Mega Drive or GameGear games, as well as Sonic CD/Fighters/Sonic R could be included because they're all available via Mega Collection and Gems Collection.
Moving on, a special stage would rock for an arena. Specifically from Sonic 2, or Heroes. The problem is thinking of a KO zone. Maybe get rid of the second half of the loop?
Or use, say, the S3K slot-machine bonus stage. A rotating level with collapsible platforms sounds crazy.
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Upth: what's your thinking behind Sakurai not choosing an arena from Sega consoles? Those are certainly the most memorable. I'm willing to bet Sakurai throws out Nintendo-exclusivity in favor of significance.
Also SADX is really just a port of SA, so if we're going on ports being fair game, any levels from the Mega Drive or GameGear games, as well as Sonic CD/Fighters/Sonic R could be included because they're all available via Mega Collection and Gems Collection.
Moving on, a special stage would rock for an arena. Specifically from Sonic 2, or Heroes. The problem is thinking of a KO zone. Maybe get rid of the second half of the loop?
Or use, say, the S3K slot-machine bonus stage. A rotating level with collapsible platforms sounds crazy.
Or the Sonic 1 special stages. That would be one wacky battle. Rotating stage, bumpers around, the (block-)platforms disappear after you jump on them a few times, the usual buttons that change the rotation/speed of the stage, and the GOAL blocks could hurt you. All with a nice remix of the awesome original tune in the background. Hell that would be awesome!
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Hey mike, it is not obvious that it will be Green Hill. It seems to me like they will gravitate towards something 3D, as they are currently making a lot more 3D games than 2D ones. SSBB inclusion is a MAJOR selling point, which is why I think Sega would have requested a certain THREE-D stage in to sell their games more effectively. Green Hill may be classic, but it really isn't classic Nintendo, which would be the only reason Sakurai would put it in.
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I'd say the most likely stages would be either green hill, emerald hill or maybe angel island zone.
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Hey mike, it is not obvious that it will be Green Hill. It seems to me like they will gravitate towards something 3D, as they are currently making a lot more 3D games than 2D ones. SSBB inclusion is a MAJOR selling point, which is why I think Sega would have requested a certain THREE-D stage in to sell their games more effectively. Green Hill may be classic, but it really isn't classic Nintendo, which would be the only reason Sakurai would put it in.
I started that thought actually. He was just doing what everyone does best - overanalyzing my posts to find SOME way of making fun of me. But I digress...
My speculations:
SA: Emerald Coast (Orca and everything)/Windy Valley
SA2B: They could take one of the Shooting Battle stages, I'm sure... Lost Colony or a Pyramid level.
SatSR: Levitated Ruin/Pirate Storm [Evil Foundry could work too].
Heroes: Power Plant/Lost Jungle
S06: Wave Ocean [I'd be surprised and VERY ecstatic if it was this but it has a slim chance: EC has a bigger chance]/Crisis City
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Hey mike, it is not obvious that it will be Green Hill. It seems to me like they will gravitate towards something 3D, as they are currently making a lot more 3D games than 2D ones. SSBB inclusion is a MAJOR selling point, which is why I think Sega would have requested a certain THREE-D stage in to sell their games more effectively. Green Hill may be classic, but it really isn't classic Nintendo, which would be the only reason Sakurai would put it in.
I find this poor reasoning given that Sonic isn't a Nintendo character in the first place.
He's in because fans asked for him to be in, and I'm betting at least as many of those fans will be remembering his classic MD/Gen games as the new 3D ones.
The fact that Sonic's first games released on Nintendo consoles were the newer ones isn't a convincing reason for me. Numerous old-skool Sonic elements are already confirmed to be included (sound-effects, one of his taunts is the figure-8 Super Peelout from Sonic CD). Why would they be in if Sakurai only intended to include new-skool aspects? Sakurai's smarter than that, and knows to appeal to as many possible crowds as is practical.
Sega trying to manipulate it to market their newer games actually sounds half plausible, though. >_>
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Green Hill has the best chance of actually being included, since it's the first ever stage, but I am very, very sick of it. I'd rather have something like Windy Valley.
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Robotnik Winter!
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(...)one of his taunts is the figure-8 Super Peelout from Sonic CD(...)
:O!
:O:O!!
:O:O:O!!!
DO WANT!
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(...)one of his taunts is the figure-8 Super Peelout from Sonic CD(...)
:O!
:O:O!!
:O:O:O!!!
DO WANT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D533pueDHLc
Does it twice from 0:01 to 0:05. Not exactly identical in terms of his posture but it's undoubtedly a figure-8.
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(...)one of his taunts is the figure-8 Super Peelout from Sonic CD(...)
:O!
:O:O!!
:O:O:O!!!
DO WANT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D533pueDHLc
Does it twice from 0:01 to 0:05. Not exactly identical in terms of his posture but it's undoubtedly a figure-8.
<3<3<3
Thanks.
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Hey mike, it is not obvious that it will be Green Hill. It seems to me like they will gravitate towards something 3D, as they are currently making a lot more 3D games than 2D ones. SSBB inclusion is a MAJOR selling point, which is why I think Sega would have requested a certain THREE-D stage in to sell their games more effectively. Green Hill may be classic, but it really isn't classic Nintendo, which would be the only reason Sakurai would put it in.
Why would nintendo gravitate towards something 3d? You have to understand the main reason sonic is wanted in Brawl: Sonic vs Mario in the 2d age. Sonic and Mario were rivals, and games like sonic 2 and smb3 were made in an attempt to win the console war. Sonic and Mario's significance together were because of the 2d, genesis games. That's why mario&sonic at the olympics is coming out! The classic rivalry is still in place today! Sure, once sega flunked on console making, they basically sold out to nintendo for making games, but the main reason is because sonic vs mario is a rivalry of ages, and it almost -is- classic nintendo.
Sakurai is not putting a stage in the game to sell a game. SSBB may be a selling point for retro characters of sorts, but sonic doesn't -need- a selling point. Sonic sells on his own, as games like sonic rivals show. Sonic 3d already sells effectively. Including city escape would simply sell used copies of an old game! Putting in an s06 level would disgrace the franchise because it's not iconic. It's clearly going to be a wellknown, wellremembered, well represented stage. Hi, green hill!
Classic nintendo? What? Sonic isn't classic nintendo, unless you call heroes classic. Sonic is a classic, iconic character with close ties to nintendo. If you're going off classic nintendo, please tell me why Shadow Moses Island mae it in for snake? That's classic sony, not classic nintendo.
And, as crowbar pointed out, sonic himself isn't classic nintendo, so you can't really pick a classic nintendo stage for him.
Finally, his 3d games are hardly classic nintendo themselves, so there's no reason sakurai would put one in on the basis of "classic nintendo", either.
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Upth: what's your thinking behind Sakurai not choosing an arena from Sega consoles? Those are certainly the most memorable. I'm willing to bet Sakurai throws out Nintendo-exclusivity in favor of significance.
The bottom line is that Sakurai works for Nintendo. The only possible reason they could have for including Sonic is to promote that Sonic is on Nintendo now.
As opposed to promoting, say, the days when Sonic was giving Nintendo a run for its money.
Surely you can understand my thinking.
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Hey Stefan, reread my post. I didn't say Sonic was classic Nintendo.
People were saying they'ld put GH in because its classic, and I am saying Sakurai doesn't care nearly as much about classics outside of Nintendo.
And if its going to be a 2D level I'd wager Angel Island, since that spans across S3K, SA(DX), and SAdva. Plus it is a very important location in the Sonic storyline.
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The bottom line is that Sakurai works for Nintendo. The only possible reason they could have for including Sonic is to promote that Sonic is on Nintendo now.
As opposed to promoting, say, the days when Sonic was giving Nintendo a run for its money.
Surely you can understand my thinking.
Or, you know, include a classic character well associated with mario in the console battle? Surely your logic doesn't work for Solid Snake; They aren't promoting that Snake is on Nintendo now. He's on PS3 and ONLY PS3. It's not because they're promoting a ps3 exclusive game, is it? The reason they included sonic is that he was VERY popular, is a classic character, is on nintendo systems now, and is probably the character that is most commonly portrayed "in battle" with mario, besides maybe bowser.
You can't think the only reason characters are in is to promote, can you? The ice climbers haven't had a new game in a very long time. Neither has Pit. Does this mean Sakurai included them to promote the characters? No! He included them because they are popular, classic characters associated with nintendo that would be fun to fight others with.
Sonic isn't different. Aside from being sega, that is.
Hey Stefan, reread my post. I didn't say Sonic was classic Nintendo.
You said "it won't be 2d because 2d isn't classic nintendo". You still, however, pushed 3D. The implication that you very clearly made was that "3d sonic does not fall prey to the logic of "since it's not classic nintendo, it won't be in" because I'm promoting it. As such, it clearly has to fall into the opposite logic "sonic 3d is classic nintendo".
All I'm saying is that if you make the claim that "things that aren't classic nintendo can't be in brawl", you have to apply it to all parts. As such, 3d sonic is ALSO out. In fact, sonic in general won't be in the game! He's not classic nintendo!
But that's wrong. so yeah.
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Sakurai puts in mainstream stuff (Ike, Snake, etc.), with the one exception being classic nintendo (Ice Climbers, Pit, etc.)
Here he is putting in something mainstream (Sonic), but he probably won't put in GH. Its not in the current games, and its not the one exception of classic Nintendo.
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Aw, sweet. Intense discussion and debating ftw!
And yeah, consistently using (was gonna say re-hash but thats not all true) GH is wearing on me a bit. I could see a Casino stage being very likely.
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Sakurai puts in mainstream stuff (Ike, Snake, etc.), with the one exception being classic nintendo (Ice Climbers, Pit, etc.)
Here he is putting in something mainstream (Sonic), but he probably won't put in GH. Its not in the current games, and its not the one exception of classic Nintendo.
Lucas isn't mainstream or classic nintendo. Just thought I'd let it be known.
I don't see why in the world GH wouldn't be in? Why would the most iconic, clear, and noticeable sonic stage NOT GO IN to pave the way for a lesser stage from a less iconic game just because it's 3d and on a nintendo system?
RR You miss the point. You dismiss the suggestion of green hill as being "not classic nintendo", and then go on to say 3d sonic can be in. 3d sonic isn't classic nintendo, either. I don't see why an argument can apply only to 2d? If you're pointing out a flaw in a suggestion while at the same time pushing a suggestion with the SAME FLAW, why is your argument valid?
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Hey mike, it is not obvious that it will be Green Hill. It seems to me like they will gravitate towards something 3D, as they are currently making a lot more 3D games than 2D ones. SSBB inclusion is a MAJOR selling point, which is why I think Sega would have requested a certain THREE-D stage in to sell their games more effectively. Green Hill may be classic, but it really isn't classic Nintendo, which would be the only reason Sakurai would put it in.
If I recall, there is a 3-d version of Green Hill in SA(B)2. It's only unlockable by getting an A on all missions. The only person on TSC I've known to unlock it is SM, though I wouldn't be suprised if someone else here has unlocked it(isn"t there an AR code that allows you to unlock it?).
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If I recall, there is a 3-d version of Green Hill in SA(B)2. It's only unlockable by getting an A on all missions. The only person on TSC I've known to unlock it is SM, though I wouldn't be suprised if someone else here has unlocked it(isn"t there an AR code that allows you to unlock it?).
Um, we know? You also posted something rather painfully obvious in a different thread as if we wouldn't know it (SM's SA2 glitch videos). I think you should be more aware of the audience you're posting at here.
[EDIT] lol I just saw your reply in the MILES POWER topic. Just change your name to Captain Obvious already. :P
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Paragod has the record but didn't unlock it?! I guess that means the other 55 people that are competing on that level didn't unlock it either?!
WE MUST BAN THEM ALL FOR ALL OF THESE LIES
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All a's are very easy to get . :(
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They're not THAT easy. I just unlocked it last year after, what, 4 years I've had the game... shamefully. XD
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If I recall, there is a 3-d version of Green Hill in SA(B)2. It's only unlockable by getting an A on all missions. The only person on TSC I've known to unlock it is SM, though I wouldn't be suprised if someone else here has unlocked it(isn"t there an AR code that allows you to unlock it?).
Um, we know? You also posted something rather painfully obvious in a different thread as if we wouldn't know it (SM's SA2 glitch videos). I think you should be more aware of the audience you're posting at here.
[EDIT] lol I just saw your reply in the MILES POWER topic. Just change your name to Captain Obvious already. :P
I have officially now started a grudge against you.
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More like you have officially just failed.
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If I recall, there is a 3-d version of Green Hill in SA(B)2. It's only unlockable by getting an A on all missions. The only person on TSC I've known to unlock it is SM, though I wouldn't be suprised if someone else here has unlocked it(isn"t there an AR code that allows you to unlock it?).
Um, we know? You also posted something rather painfully obvious in a different thread as if we wouldn't know it (SM's SA2 glitch videos). I think you should be more aware of the audience you're posting at here.
[EDIT] lol I just saw your reply in the MILES POWER topic. Just change your name to Captain Obvious already. :P
I have officially now started a grudge against you.
*insert lame serious business image macro here*
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By the way Crowbar, are you happy!?!?!?!?
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(http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/9723/grudgecatzw0.png)
It had to be done.
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I think it should be in Casino Night from Sonic the Hedgehog 2.
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NECROMANCE'D
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I agree. Casino Night all the way. But I don't think that would be the stage, really.
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(http://i32.tinypic.com/694c9k.gif)
=D
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Where the hell is the spoiler warning in that post.
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Watching the footage again, I know for sure the GHZ stage in the intro is a SSE stage and not unlockable for Brawl mode.
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GHZ is confirmed to be in brawl. :o
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Where did that video come from?
And, you REALLY needed spoilers on that one.
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It came from the Brawl intro video.
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Oh come on, that's really not that much of a spoiler. It was a given that GHZ would be in.
On another note, I am really loving that running animation.
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I dont know if its a SSE stage or not, but it is a Brawl stage
also I should have guessed that anyway since Snake was on his stage in the intro.
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Ahah! Part of my vision was right! GHZ is confirmed!
How's that SkyLights/Egg?
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Star Light Zone.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vqgWQ8OeFw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vqgWQ8OeFw)
Sonic Boom!